adictd2b00st

go on KA-T.org , tell them you are building the head and tell them you want to rev to 7500 safely. they will laugh in your face, guaranteed. you can do as many google searches as you want, but first hand experience is always gonna be greater than your magazine racing style that you love to use all the time.

so tell me, how many 240's have you owned? or is this like the FD LS1 threads you like to get so involved in, WHEN YOU HAVE NO PERSONAL EXPERIENCES. your that guy who beleives that everything you read on the internet is true lmao

Nihilanthic

How many times do I have to tell you, you dont need to go to 7500 rpms?

How many times do I have to tell you more displacement means you dont need to rev high?

You're arguing an irrelevant point. It doesnt HAVE to rev high, but I can tell you most assuredly that all it takes is a trip to a machine shop (and enough money) to get it to rev high, whether or not you can wrap your mind around it.

Damn shame it there is NO reason to rev a KA that high except becuase youre a ricer, at any rate

adictd2b00st

i didn't say it HAD to rev, i'm saying it WON'T. your the one missing the point there, i just made a general statement about the motor, your the one who turned it into a bitching session. go look at any KA turbo dyno graph. notice somthing similar between all of them? they stop at 6900 rpms, WITH headwork and cams or stock, it doesn't matter. like i said in my original post, its not a terrible choice, it just depends what you want out of it.

and yea, i'm such a ricer you really have no clue, so quit while your ahead.

Nihilanthic

http://www.ka-t.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10982
I guess his tach is off

adictd2b00st

in all honesty, i'm as suprised as everyone else in that thread that its still holding together. so you found someone crazy enough to push a 200k mile motor to the limits.

thats a one in a million story tho. if those motors really were able to rev that high safely then why would everyone be cutting their dyno runs short?

adictd2b00st

those are with cams......i could find more but thats enough for now

iceblue

your not just a KA guy your an ignorant douche bag. Just slap a P port on with GT42R so less money then a swap will cost. Now go back to school.

Nihilanthic

Chickenshit or just fullashit? Or maybe because of the way the cam is set up it wont be efficeint there volumetrically, and theres no NEED to rev that high because you actually have torque anyway?

Its got a tall deck and some long *** rods, and 3.75" stroke is NOT too much to rev that high, at all. Forged, light rods and pistons can hit 8K+ rpms easily if someone actually felt like doing so.

I see v8s with 4" strokes going that high in race conditions all the time. Its not cheap, but its doable. The issue, however, is that its ridiculous, unnecessary, a waste of money, and ultimately wont make you faster. The TURBO, a tune, and maybe some head porting, however, will.

adictd2b00st

well like i said before, show me some first hand experience and then maybe i'd start to beleive you...... magazine race all you want cause thats what you do best

and for the 3rd time, i never said it HAD to rev that high, but if someone wanted a hi revving motor than it wasn't the motor for them. can you get that through your thick skull?

Nihilanthic

Right, find that turbo for less than $1K and get a P-Port done for less than the cost of a turbo kit on a KA24 and prove it and Ill shut up.

Oh, so sorry, P-Ports would be less streetable than a pedal-powered rx7, nevermind more expensive.

PS - Good Job widening the page like this is slashdot.

Nihilanthic

Youre still hung up on the fact that theres no reason to rev it high (all those dynos have great powerbands) instead of the fact that its a good cheap turbo motor.

And, you widened the page. Use Imageshack, FFS.

GtoRx7

iTrader: (5)

Haha, Nihilanthic is still posting dynos! J/k Nih, but I hope everyone realizes the fastest and quickest 240sx REAL car/chassis has ran 9.23 @143 mph, and guess what? He is using the SR20DET. Awe, I guess the KA was ripped out in favor of a SR, a guy that has been a leader in toyota supra's and nissans since the begining of time, hardly is someone who would jump on the bandwagon, esp. when all the intake and exhaust were custom fab. from scratch. I think he weighed the options, and a SR comes out on top. The cost alone justifies it, the amount of time and money to get a heavy *** Ka turbo to work, you can buy a longblock SR for like $1500, and plug and play. Its cheaper, lighter, and obviously capable of the same and more power in the end. Big and heavy with low revs and gobs of torque wont always win, in fact I would say most of the time it loses.

adictd2b00st

couldn't be more wrong, your preaching to the choir. i was all set to build a turbo KA until i came across my FD. i never said it was a bad motor lol

iceblue

Nihilanthic lol mumbles more bs as he sees my qualifications list lenghens farther then his family tree.

Ahh I could do the P port myself for umm 30$ then then manifolds for 400 and then a used Gt42 for 1700. Now start adding your cost to get to 1kwhp oh waite you will NEVER get to 1kwhp ever so it dont even matter. Now go play with honda tuner some more.

Nihilanthic

So 1000whp for you is a matter of a DIY P-Port? Then go do it!

I guess your stationary gear, E-shaft, seals, and any modifications for oiling provisions are just going to magically modify themselves? And I guess youll just pour the gasoline in yourself instead of use injectors or a carburator, right?

You're as full of it as the hp/liter ****.

Nihilanthic

KA is hardly a heavy motor. I also doubt that he'd be any slower if he stayed with the KA vs going to the SR, its a matter of prefeference and his checkbook

If you care to show me any objective reason its any better, Im all ears. I seriously doubt a weight reduction of 60 lbs offsets the loss of .4 liters displacement.

Is there any doubt a 2 liter engine can run a 9? No.

For a street car is there any real advantage to going with a SR except for being a bandwagonier and watching a tach needle zing? Not that I've seen yet. 60 lbs doesnt make up for the lack of torque, especially not in a street car.

iceblue

Hey douche bag my posted work schools you and everyone knows it. So take your injectors and go play with yourself to some lingerie catalogs.

Oh yea KA’s are retarded and someone wanting to swap a different motor will not be on a check book budget. Oh wait him and you are about 17 so your right it is on a pay check and the car will remain broken *** in your yard for 20 yrs.

Nihilanthic

What you posted schools me? How?

What, your unobtanium and "crap in one hand" based PP buildup or your incessant mouth-breathing about how SR20s rev high?

exhaustnoteV2

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Guys, what I think Nihilanthic is trying to say is KA24=teh suck.

iceblue

yup oh and it sux because I said it sux and his mother is a dyke

Nihilanthic

Right... keep telling yourself emotional reactions like big babies is superior to demonstrated peformance and logical queries

It wouldnt be rx7club without it. At the least GTO can speak saliently and think straight, maybe you should take after him?

But at any rate, Id rather go with a 240 if I wanted to go KA, if youre gonna go through all that effort a 2.3 is a cheaper and in many ways better supported option. Plus It can zing to 9K+ rpms all day long

GtoRx7

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.4 liters isnt enough to justify staying with a KA, a SR produces TONS of torque a rx-7 or 240 could ever use. Once either engine is on boost the torque is there. Unless you love displacement simply to show off to your friends you can shift at 1500rpms, its rather a dumb decision factor. The SR kills in the aftermarket, and everyone and their brother makes any part you can dream of for the SR20, even american forged 2.4 liter stroker kits. A SR cant be beat for dollar per hp, and that is what alot of broke *** dudes want, and usually dont have the knowledge to figure out a computer system, so once agian the SR is a DIY, most simple, brainless, lightest, most bang for your buck swap someone could possibly do, rather than keep the silly KA, which can be pulled and sold (where it belongs).

iceblue

this Nihilanthic douche bag is a moron

Nihilanthic

Ok, .4 liters doesnt sound like a lot, but its a matter of ratio. You know a KA can do at 6500 what a SR can do at 7800 rpms assuming perfectly equal efficiency (BSFC, etc) and VE, right? A SR has to spin 1.2x (thats 20% higher) than a KA to do the same thing. Or, the KA can do 20% more at a given rpm than a SR can do.

Thats what people say, poorly, when they get all uppity about 'torque'.

Im having doubts a SR is a pound for pound leader compared to the current kings of the hill, smallblocks and 2.3Ts, but I guess for the tuner market's norms it has cheap parts. But the SR is hardly a perfect motor. The head isnt exactly perfect and its rod to stroke ratio compared to a KA is attrocious - stroking that out would be ridiculous. Unless someone has a tall deck SR or some creative machine shop work with deck plates and sleeves to increase the deck, I wouldnt stroke one out.

Now, tell me, how is it so unbeatable dollar per hp? Youve made your assertions but havent backed it up, and come up with strawmen about 'shifting at 1500 rpms'. Im sure you could but thats hardly a concern - justifying HAVING TO REV 20% higher, and getting a shitty rod to stroke ratio (which is more important the higher you rev) to trade off for 60 lbs off the nose end of the car is.

You'd have to be in a class that pegs weight at your displacement (the only good reason I can think of, dropping 400 lbs off the entire cars frame), or have money to blow in full on racing (and have already extinguished every other means to improve handling) to justify a paltry 60 lb reduction for the need to swap over, especially considering that not only do you lose torque, you could have to deal with surge, you HAVE to build the top end to handle high rpms, youd have to get a .20% shorter rear gear (assuming the KA has 4.0:1 rear gears, thats 4.8:1 in the back now) and you cant have as much of the VE curve effecient as a KA, because without dynamic intakes and variable cam timing, the range at which you can make your rpm range efficient is not very broad.

So, maybe for some full on race situations that might be useful, but an endurance racer would stick with a KA for a lot of obvious reasons. Im sure you know that 6500 rpms is a lot easier on parts than 7800, especially with a tall deck and rods over 6" long, right?

Nihilanthic

If youre as accomplished as you claim to be it should be easy as pie to justify your stance, yet youre not. What gives?