i really want an AE86, but would love to have a high reving N/A 13b. so i want to combine the two. I understand there will be a lot of fabrication, but was wondering if anyone had attempted this before. I have searched and have found nothing. I understand that i will need a lot of custom parts, and was wondering if anyone had ever heard of a "plate" that allows the 13b to bolt up to the AE86 tranny? if not, a custom driveshaft, and some placement of an N/A tranny would be pretty likely.

anyway..
just an idea.

 

provided that you have a complete engine/tranny, then all you have to do is find someone to make the front engine mount and tranny mount. driveshaft will be RX in the front and Corolla in the rear. Electrical is pretty easy hook-up.

I will be doing an rotary conversion in a 72 corolla in April. to do this right, I have a dummy 13-B motor and tranny with no internals to determine where the mounts will go with less cutting/fabrication.

 

Yeah I wouldn't try adapting the Toyota T50 transmission to a 13B, the AE86 drivetrain can't handle much more than 200hp. What kind of 13B are you planning to swap in? 4-port/6-port? carb/EFI? I'm just interested, I've been into AE's for a few years now and I think a nice NA 13B would be the perfect swap for it. Of course, a 13B into a TE27 would be awesome too, I believe they're even lighter than an RX-3, more around the weight of an R-100.

 

I had a ported 12A in an 86 AE86 SR5....

 

There's a video of an AE86 with a 20b somewhere on here. Two guys are trailing it, and the guy in the 20b AE86 just steps on the gas, and it disappears from view in a fingersnap.

 

i am planning on putting a 6 port 13b into it. I'm not looking for a lot of power. but i do want a high reving engine. Looking at a street port, 3 mm seals, and some race bearings with supporting ignition and fuel mods. not crazy, but enough. I would also like to mate a T11 tranny to the N/A if possible (stronger in general) . My friend said they bolt up but you have to use the N/A flywheel. I'm going to ask Atkins about this. i can fabricate the mounts. but will need to have a custom driveshaft made (rx-tranny end, AE86- rear end as stated above. ) i am only concerned with adequate space for teh transmission and the location of the shift linkage.

 

Why a 6-port? Go for the 4 and get a large extend port, and use the lighter NA FC rotors. A TII tranny would hold up better for drifting, but then your rear-end would be the weak link. Again the Corolla drivetrains weren't designed to handle much more than the 112-130hp 4AGE's they came with, I think 200hp is about as much as you could push it to. I've seen AE86 guys using rear-ends from all kinds of cars; hilux's, Toyota trucks, old Celicas, etc. That one's up to you, although the stock rear should still hold up pretty well.

If you don't want a lot of power, a mildly built up 4AG can be a lot of fun too. Get an AE92 high comp bottom end and put your bluetop t-vis head back on it for a 140hp high compression/ t-vis hybrid. Add some 264 cams, TRD header, some headwork, maybe sidedrafts and your looking at a high revving, responsive, 160hp motor with a lot less headaches. Of course you can get crazier with 288 or 304 cams, aftermarket valvetrain components, porting, polishing, lightening, balancing, boring, stroking, more compression, ITB's, aftermarket engine management, etc. and be pushing 180-200hp, but that is going to be really expensive. A 13B swap would be the wiser choice at that point since it could making more power for half the price.

I'm not trying to discourage you, just pointing out some other options.

 

I still want to go with the NA 13b. Its gonna be a lot cheaper than trying to build up the 4age. I also havent had a rotary before, and figure if i start off with a rebuilt engine from ATkins, things would be fine for a while. I want the drivetrain to be fairly tough, thats why i want the Tii tranny. The GTS rear-end is going to be fine. if not, i'll upgrade the LSD. I plan on 175-190 hp. Maybe 150 RWHP. That'd be plenty for me. Like i said i dont really want or need a lot of power.. just enough to have fun. Throttle response is key too. thats why i'm goin NA

 

http://vosko.net/media/rotary/3%20Rotor%20AE86.asf

 

A lot cheaper? A rebuilt 13B is usually around $2000, and then you still need porting, custom exhaust, custom motor/tranny mounts, modified driveshaft, whatever fuel mods needed (aftermarket carb/manifold, fuel pump/regulator etc. or aftermarket engine management if you're going EFI), MSD ignition, and getting it all to run well and stay cool. This swap could easily take over 4 grand to do right, not to mention a lot of time and patience. So you see, this is why I'm wondering why you're saying this would be a lot cheaper than building up your twin cam. And I still don't see why you'd want a 6-port if you want to streetport it, as you won't see any dramatic gains since the ports can be expanded much without hitting each other or the water jacket. Hell if you only want 150rwhp, a streetported 12A would do the trick, they're cheaper and easier to find, and all the US ones are 4-ports so they're great for porting.

 

the wacko man's @ it again.... lol

 

I think anything is possible. My friend has a Sr20 Black top on his AE running 12s

 

show pics of this AE running 12's please

 

ok..so it might be easier to build the 4ag, but i want a rotary, and i'd rather start off with a freshly rebuilt 13b than have to rebuild a 180k mile 4ag to handle the higher rev's etc. its the idea of a rotary powered 86...so i know its gonna be costly, sorry about the previous statement.

 

I have no idea why you would want to take out the 4age, just swap it for a 4agze or a 3sgte

 

holy crap, i cant wait till i get my hachiroku, i think ill buy 2 so i can put the 4agze engine in one and put a 20b in the other........driftin.........drag racing.........ownage..........oh ya

 

I'm planning to put a 13bt in my '87 Celica GTS. Will need to modify the floorpan to make rwd viable and then make custom engine mounts and everything.

I'm sure putting a rotary in an AE86 will prove easier than in my car,seeing how yours is already set up for rear wheel drive. Anyways dude,good luck with it!

 

that video was friggin awesome! that's what my car is gonna do sep for not in a corolla...wait, maybe in a 97', huh....huh.

 

do the rotor conversion

 

i have the car now, and i've been looking at how i'm going ot make the engine mounts. luckily, both have mounts in similar spots in the engine bay. Also, there seems like htere will be enough room for hte 13bT tranny in there too. *similar tranny mount. i'm gonna build up the AE86 a little bit (suspension and chassis to handle a little extra weight and power) but i'll post pics and give you all a step by step as soon as i get started.

 

What do you guys think....looking into an 4ag to SR5 conversion requires a whole bunch 'o work. Like gas tank and fuel lines and lots of knick knacks. SO...

Since a SR5 is carbed...you think a carbed 13B transplant woul;d need much more than a pump upgrade (maybe) and the mounting. I would think it would be a shitload easier than doing a 4AG convers...plus have 40-50 more hp.

 

I can get a clean *** SR5 for $500.

 

By the way...that was a SR5 converted to GT-s specs....i worded it wrong....on my 5th Fosters....sorry

 

get me one too while you're at it

 

That video is ****ing wiked