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Old Jul 5, 2009 | 05:42 PM
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Arrow Seeking Sponsor For alternative fuel rx7 Project!...

That's right, I have a project i been wanting to do for 5 years now. And so far i have not fulfilled My goal... I dream of doing this night and day and think of the good this can make for our current combustion engines.. The price for Brand new alternative fuel cars are high and their is no reason why we can't get a system for current cars on the street...

And when it works i plan on posting it on youtube And maybe get some local media on it.. I was thinking of doing this to my own car, But as i use it as an everyday driver i don't think i could go without a car right now..

I am looking for a doner car with working engine, I will not be running it on gas and it will not be driven Till the system works on alternative fuels. And someone that can Donate at least 2 - 5,000 PSI tanks, And maybe someone that can work pressure regulators, This would not be my car and im not looking for personal donations...
Im tired of people telling me it wont work. And want to prove once and for all it will.

There is a lot more to the project so if you have any questions well feel free to ask.

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Old Jul 5, 2009 | 05:47 PM
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why do you need a 25,000 psi tank. even if you make some sort of other fuel i hope it doesnt blow the motor.
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Old Jul 5, 2009 | 05:49 PM
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i said 5,000 psi X2
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Old Jul 5, 2009 | 06:00 PM
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you might want to post what kind of alternative fuel your wanting to run and everything else, it might get people alittle more excited about trying to help you out
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Old Jul 5, 2009 | 06:02 PM
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you edited it now.lol
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Old Jul 5, 2009 | 06:10 PM
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i never said 25,000 i said 2 5,000 psi tanks. please move on!
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Old Jul 6, 2009 | 12:57 AM
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5,000 PSI tanks.... what sort of fuel are you talking about? Compressed Hydrogen?

If you're going the hydrogen route, I'd strongly suggest contributing to the research going into ammonia hydrogen storage =]
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Old Jul 6, 2009 | 01:06 AM
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If we are just donating cars, can i have one with a working engine as well??? PPPLLLEEEAAASSSEEE!!!!!!!
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Old Jul 6, 2009 | 01:07 AM
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Ugh, please don't say it's hydrogen. LPG would be cool, though. I think it's been done before in an RX-7.
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Old Jul 6, 2009 | 02:26 AM
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Ugh, please don't say it's hydrogen. LPG would be cool, though. I think it's been done before in an RX-7.
Don't hate. I'm equally disguested by all of the NG hype that's been perpetuated by Pickins and the like. Look at NG prices over the past 10 years. There's a reason why no more NG power plants are being made.

It would be cool to see a retrofit to run a car on a biofuel derived from algae. That would just make too much sense though
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Old Jul 7, 2009 | 09:54 PM
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That would be sweet if the OP wants to run a rotary on hydrogen. Any FI car can be easily converted to run on hydrogen. Dont know how a rotary would fare though.
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Old Jul 7, 2009 | 11:15 PM
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I'm thinking just compressed air......India is mass producing them right now.
Only use a custom 5k psi compressor and away you go. Although that is with an insanely light glued together car and top speed is under 70mph. I'd love to see someone try this stateside.

I dunno sound like a great idea I mean heck the spark plug holes are almost designed just for this. No emissions save for the electricity used to make the compressed air. Old scuba tanks are well within the pressure ranges needed....hmmm I do have a few spare motors to test with..lol maybe i should try this.

Air powered army vert ftmfw!!!!
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Old Jul 8, 2009 | 12:25 AM
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Jack Nicholson's hydrogen car.. I think someone bought him off... What do you think!?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJVzySk0Pks
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Old Jul 8, 2009 | 06:56 PM
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H powered rx8?

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2008/08/next-gen-rx-8-g/

done and done....
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Old Jul 9, 2009 | 12:32 AM
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Yup seen it. also i read most of the comments people leave, They are even worried what might happend if they are hit by another car.. they think there hands are gona freeze off.. Just shows how most people Dont know much about Hydrogen.. They keep saying. OH OH It cost three times more than the power you get from it.. I say ok Buy your 4 dollar a gallon of gas and drive around. You are loosing over half of the motive power to Cooling system. and the exuast system. And driving gears. And they have to ship the oil to america that cost more too..

Some places in the middleEast gas cost 15 cents a gallon.. HMM..

So we pay 4 dollars a gallon and are told by goverment that this is the way it is?

IF i baught Hydrogen for 25 cents an EQ gallon for gas that got me 25 miles thats pretty good in my eyes.. But the complaints still poor in. But your putting three times the energy you are getting out of it.. OR Ill have less power. Or the one i like the best.. YHou will blow up like an atomic bomb.. All ment to scare everyone so we still buy oil.. Talk about BS..

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Old Jul 9, 2009 | 12:43 AM
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Infact they want to put everyone on CNG.. Ya know so the goverment can still make profit.. The goverment cant make profit if we can make Hydrogen ourselves.. after doing some guess work with the power of hydrogen and how much hydrogen can be stored at 5,000 PSI. 3 tanks would get me about 900 1,000 Miles.. Since Hydrogen Burns 10 times faster than gas, Timing would be adjusted to TOP dead Center. Depending on what Mix you might have. maybe its Methane or what not. 90% or More of the Power is being used to move the car. Thats what people dont understand. Very little heat would be created. Almost eliminating the radiator.. And no oil changes. The oil would stay Clean and gas free for years.

Also Less wear on parts. Gas engines timing is before top dead center that means Back pressure on engine parts and more bearing wear..

The rx8 project is nothing new to me. It is a gas Hybrid hydrogen... Then you have the fuelcell cars that Dont just need hydrogen. It needs 99.99% pure hydrogen for the fuel cells. Or they fall apart
Cost alot more..

And i have to add. I almost forgot the Tesla.. Awsome car. Looks good its fast. and it drives 250 miles for 2 dollars and 50 cents. Not bad. But 100k to buy one. OH and get this. After the battery wears down and stops charging in about 100k Miles drop another 10k to get another one.. Yea i see real savings here..

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Old Jul 9, 2009 | 01:39 PM
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In terms of efficiency... hydrogen combustion isn't that great. Hydrogen fuel cell however... that would be the route.

Bad thing..... fuel cells are expensive to make. There are some small kits online that you can get, I don't remember the output though. Check out the fuel cell.

You'd need some high powered electric motors, a few fuel cells, and a system to control it. Nice thing is, the initial draw on the system will be the greatest, but once you get going, it won't need to draw as much.

If needed, I can post the inefficiencies of hydrogen combustion. As long as you know calculus extensively and are very efficient with your differential equations. It's pretty disappointing once you get into it. hahah. I am an engineering major, so, I'll try and help where i can. But, I have looked into it and written a few reports about it. The fuel cell will be the best and most efficient use of hydrogen.
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Old Jul 10, 2009 | 03:45 PM
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General Electric makes an at home hydrogen conversion center that is powered solely on solar energy. By using new techonology in solar panels, it was something like one 7x7 ft panel could operate the hydrogen conversion process. The machine takes water and converts it into hydrogen gas and stores it in a high pressure tank, underground, encased in multi feet of concrete. This is actually a much more effieient way of storing energy. If you were to try to store the electricity in batteries they bleed off the energy over time. This system also allows you to operate your entire household on the compressed hydrogen if so inclined. There would be a fill up station at your own house. Currently the systems approx cost is somewhere in the 300k range. One of the best parts is that like I said before any computer controlled fuel injected vehicle can be converted to operate in the compressed H. What would be required in the conversion is a furl remap, increased compression (H runs best near 15-16:1), onboard fuel containment system, and new fuel lines and injectors. Direct injection is begging for the use of hydrogen! Further more, as the converted car is running, the air being induced into the engine is dirtier than the air/steam exiting the exhaust, so the car is essentially cleaning the air.

So this would enable us to use out own oil reserves souly for the lubrication needs and other small volume needs for petroluem of the US. Sounds like a pretty simple/smart idea to me. Like stated before, this is very unlikely to become a reality as the gvt only pushed ideas that make them money. Such as hybrid vehicles, which still 100% rely on petroleum, or cng.

Personally I think these hydrogen centers should be viewed as a communal item. Maybe a few neighbors collaborate monetary funds to purchase said machine. All of them run solar panels on their roofs. Have one common fuel fill up. This would be a good way to get the semi outrageous price down.
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