G35 Vs. Turbo 98' Teg Vs. 85 RX-7
 

Bout' two nights ago was heading to a friends to pick up something. I was just rolling on a major street that was pretty empty until I came to a light and noticed there was a nice G35 on my left, and a teg on my right. I soon realized that the Teg was someone I know, and also that his car is boosted. He gave me the look to go for a quick race to the next light since it was a good distance, and there was no traffic around we decided to. Him being the cocky or whatever person he is starts to rev up seconds before the light turns green, so in turn the G35 catches on to whats happening. Light turns green, we go. G35 sadly somehow is left behind quickly and I was trailing behind his Teg. Once I shifted through from 2nd to 3rd.. I managed to pass him up and that was it. Was a pretty nice race, I know he's only boosting at about 10psi but still, didn't expect to take him. My 85 S, specs in sig. :icon_tup:

wheres the love?!

its not a win-win situation since you lost and we dont wanna hear about it. :rlaugh: :rlaugh: :rlaugh:

congrats. :bigthumb:

what part of that stated I lost? I beat them both.

I bet that teg let off after he wasted the both of you in first and second, especially if it was a public road. I`ve raced some pretty fast boosted tegs, but they were all gsr`s. And I wasn`t driving an n/a.

Nope. I spoke with him today, he didnt know why he lost cause he was actually trying. And in terms of his 1st to 2nd over mine, he was only ahead about 1 car and a half considering I have shitty tires so take off is rough. Thanks though :icon_tup:

Congrats. What kind of 13b?

I don't know what is wrong with me, but for some reason, I just can't get myself to believe you. I'm sorry. The story.. it doesn't make sense.

Also, I doubt that he said anything along the lines of, "I don't know why I lost, I was actually trying.." When was the last time someone said that after losing to a car (your rx-7) that is CONSIDERABLY slower than his ( unless his car is fubar'd, but then it would not be worth bragging about.)

Teh Bee/Ess meter is pegging!

Heh, before you question how "considerably slower" my car is than his, go ask Robert from rotaryshack, he'll set you straight. :op:

i'm sorry but i have to agree. a boosted teg is pretty quick unless its running like crap, and although the g35 isnt a monsteer if the driver was really trying he wouldnt have gotten blown away that badly

:jerkit: mhmm what else?

Do you have any port work?

I too am having a hard time believing this story... Sounds like the G35 didn't try if he fell on his face at the start... Probably thought a Honda (Acura) and a FB weren't worth it and was mocking the Integra... I'm not a fan of the 350z/G35 really, but they are capable of more than what occured in this "race" even with the worst driver. I used to own an Integra, not sayin Integras are fast, but a boosted one should blow away an NA RX-7 without question. Unless, of course, it's a very shitty built car. Sadly many are... But still It should be that close of a race if you were up against a LS or GSR Integra with some bolt ons...

Just none of this adds up... Next time take video... Or go to the track and run 1/4 mile against him and post the timeslip... Or just post a timeslip of how fast your car completes a 1/4 mile... Gives people a better idea of how "fast" your car really is. Rather than comparing it to a car that, without proof, not many people are going to believe you stood a chance against...

Heh, before you question how "considerably slower" my car is than his, go ask Robert from rotaryshack, he'll set you straight. :op:

this is a rediculous story. give me a break. I love rotaries, but you have a modded 12A. that's like 15's if you don't weigh 2000 lbs

i believe you cbz, socal love.

shaddap and stop kissing ass. yeah, we believe his story :wink: :wink: :rlaugh: :rlaugh: :rlaugh:

g35's are by no means slow.

yeaa homie socal love. forget all these haters.

true, but they are heavy as shit and only make about 280hp.

i know wacky believes me. just like he believed in me getting another 7. :bowdown:

g35's are pigs im sorry but they are really over rated , there's a supercharged and a turbo one around my way and they cant even keep up with my slightly moded t2

"Rare 85 S model: fresh 13b with 40k miles, SE swapped suspension, MSD blaster coils, custom MSD ignition wires, RB headers to RB Y-Pipe dual presilencers to a race muffler, RB lower & upper mani, Weber 48DCOE tuned by RotaryShack. "

Learn2read

That's your only response? Twice now you've said that in the same threa to someone... I was giving you advice on how to prove how "fast" your car is and you can't tell me any more than your original post says? That leads me only to believe that your story is :bs: and that all you can say is "ask my tuner/builder he'll tell you it's fast" well that's great cuz he built your car... But he's not gonna take it to a track for you or post your timeslip if you had one... I've ridden in a 13b powered FB, I have ridden in a G35, and as I said I used to own an Integra... There is absolutely no reason for me to believe that your car is faster than a turboed Integra, or that you would smoke a G35 from the get-go... Unless you provide me with something more substantial than "call my tuner/builder"... I'm not tryin to dis your car or anything cuz I'm a 7 lover thru and thru... But none of this adds up...

Well honestly bro, it doesn't have to add up for you at all. I didn't post this thread for it to "add up" just for you. I could really care less. I know how fast my car is and I've seen how it perfoms/handles against others cars. I've gotten my fair share of kills and i've also gotten smoked, i'm not saying my car is the shit over anyone. Also, I'm not about to go to the tracks and run a 1/4 mile just for you, waste of my time. I know how fast my car is, and the people who've seen it in action know as well. You can think what you want, I know what happened and thats all there is to it. The tegra is a ghetto rig'd ebay setup with 8psi. When you do a turbo build the only real way to get power is when you buy the right products, in this case his wasn't setup like that. So anyways, enjoy your thoughts and views, I'm done defending something that doesn't need to be defended.

yeah that VQ-ute setup on the g35 is really bad..the tranny's cant handle above stock hp anyhow..and they really are overrated..gives the REAL skyline a BAD name. ive driven a boosted integra and i have to admit i wasent impressed..i know of only one person that has taken out a turbo car with his n/a and that was impressive..all i have to say is weirder shit has happend...so thats why ill give him the benefit of the doubt plus i hate acuras/hondas...good job cbz.

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All you had to do was answer a couple of simple questions... Port work? And if you ran a 1/4 mile... It's that simple. And no matter what products you use for your turbo kit you're still going to produce more power... You can piece together a turbo kit and make 400hp+ using off brand products... They do it all the time with those DOHC Hondas... 8psi is actually a decent amount of boost on what I would assume at that boost is a stock motor. You're talking about a 13 second 1/4 mile car at 8psi

Thank you sir. :icon_tup:

If you read my sig that would have answered your first question about porting on the motor, it's stock otherwise it would say so. He's running a B20 with 210k miles on it and a T3/T4 that doesn't spool until you hit about 5k RPM. The reason I was able to handle him was because at the 2nd through to 3rd shift I put out enough power to pull ahead by almost 3 cars at which point his boost kicked in and he started to pull by my 3rd to 4th is just a notch under as powerful as my 2nd to 3rd so it didn't matter. By that time he gave up and we were already going more then fast enough to see who would win. His car doesn't make ANYWHERE near 400+ nor 300+ but more like 230hp from what he says. He didn't upgrade the cams or anything of the sort it's a slap on used turbo deal. He even did the tuning himself so it's not professionally done. When I run a 1/4 mile with my car, you will be the first to know and see the results. Thanks for your feedback and concerns.

Must have been a damn slow Integra. My 85 FB with an aggressive street port, everything stripped off, RB headers + back, light fly wheel, 6 puck clutch, suspension, etc, was only in the 14's... I'm guessing your car is probably in the 15's? I would be pretty pissed if my turbo charged, built, car were beat by a car 4 years older and in the 15's.

Well my car weighs about 300lbs less then it should for a few reasons. One of the cool "rare" features of the one I have is that it came with NO AC straight from the factory. You can even look in the engine bay where the setup usually is with wires etc and there is nothing. Another thing is that it's not always about the car, but really the driver. :)

I did read your sig but wanted to be positive it was stock ports since you keep praising your builder. You still could have answered the question the first time around.

There's also no reason a T3/T4 turbo would not achieve 8psi until 5k rpms... That's not gonna happen unless he's a honda douche who unbolts his header and thought it would be cool to do so on a turbo manifold. No matter the mileage on his B20 it should be strong enough to spool a T3 hotside to 8psi by 3500rpm... In regards to his self-tune, if in fact that is the case, that's most likely where he went wrong and could very well be a reason you could possibly beat him... 230hp is WEAK out of that motor.

Yea, it could be a lot of things but the fact of the matter is we raced, I passed him up and it was over and I was happy about it so I posted it in this Kill Section. Thats about as far as it goes :). Thanks for a good convo though :rlaugh:

What is different with an S model compared to a GSL-SE?

Besides the fact that mine came with no AC straight from factory, it has no sunroof and no power hatch release. Might be more but whats pretty much the two top ones.

B20 is a weak engine, it has undesirable rod/stroke ratio with toothpicks for rods. It also has the thinnest cylinder walls of any B-series. He had to have swapped it and he is an idiot if thats the mileage on the engine, no point in swapping for a tired engine.

However if he did manage to build it right, and it was boosted at 8 psi he would be looking at around 2-300 hp depending on the tune. Even running like crap it should be making well over 200 horses.


In my 1st gen I was beaten by half of a car length by an older EF Civic with a B18 swap, (NON-turbo) But that guy couldnt drive, I know, because hes a friend of mine.

Your modifications arent very different from mine, I guarantee Robert will tell me your full of crap. If the Teggy were in fact turbocharged it would have eaten you alive, so would the G35.

I would say your car would be LUCKY to have 150 hp, not even in the neighborhood of a crappily tuned teg or the G35.

G35 -- 3485 lbs. (NOT THAT HEAVY)
Integra -- 2606 lbs.
Your 7 -- probably 2400 lbs.

Not enough to make a big difference in this race,
I have owned a 1st gen for quite awhile, and I know what a 12a can do, and I know what a 13b can do. Apparently your 13b is defying the laws of physicis....

Oh yea? Why don't you go talk to him yourself, and when he tells you otherwise don't come crying back here with more junk to say. :flipoff:

Lets see

Weber 48 DCOE
RB mani
Stock ports
RB Header and RB exhaust

None of the ignition crap adds power, so

I would say you have a lovely tuned carb from robert, and you are lucky to be making 150 horsepower.

I think its funny that you are upset by what I said, I am being honest as I can be. You dont have a very potent engine combo, it probably makes a hair more power than my 12a but not near enough to blow the doors off of a turbo integra. Nobody here is telling you anything but the truth, I am sure alot of people find it funny, but you are getting a dose of reality check right now.

Heh. You're funny. First of all, I am making more then 150hp, but I'll let you discuss that in your talk with Robert. Second, I never once said I "blew the doors of the turbo integra." Read how it happened once more and rethink what you say next time. I don't care what you or other people are thinking, in your opinion you can say what you want and call it the "truth," thats great. You weren't there. If you'd like to personally speak with the owner of the teg I'd be happy to have him vouch and send you a picture of his car & setup as well. But honestly I don't care because to me you and the others coming on here to try to make a point when it's useless waste of time is your choice. Like I said, one more time, I posted a thread to talk about a "Kill" hence the "Kill Section" and didn't ask for you or anyone else to try to give me a lecture on how I am defying the laws of physics. If you want to discuss something like your opinion or "truth" then do it in a PM, not here.

I do suggest though that you give Robert a call, hopefully he can help you better understand.

What is it exactly that Robert is supposed to tell me? What is it that he "knows" that you cant just outright say? I mean you dont even realize how dumb you sound, you are on an internet forum around people who build these engines and/or have them built and somehow you have some trick up your sleeve that only Robert knows? Why should I waste his time to call him, when I know what he will say?

I mean really, did he sneak a bridgeport or a turbo in there and you dont want anyone to know about it? I bet you photo-chopped that picture to fool everyone didnt you? Your a sneaky little guy, trying to make people beleive that dropping a carb and an exhaust on their car makes them faster than a turbo teggy....

Hahahaha jeez. I'll have Robert contact you personally since you're a dumb hippocrate who likes to come here and say "I guarantee Robert will tell me you are full of shit" but when it comes down to finding out if I am you're too lazy to "waste your time" and back up what you say. Horrible. There is no bridgeport or turbo. There is no "photo-chop" or whatever you'd like to call it. My mods listed is what the car has, nothing more. The car is light, it's fast, and it did a great job that night. Also, I'm not trying to make people think anything. Cars are different in their own unique ways from how they are built from start to finish. It also comes down on the driver as well. I've never once mentioned that by adding carb and exhaust, that you will beat turbo integra's. It's very unlikely. But anyways, I'm done arguing with the likes of you.

:scared: Oh no, I am in trouble because I told you that your stock port 13b isnt making insane amounts of power.

Look, I will lay it down for you, as blunt as I can...

ME, BUILT ENGINE B-4. ME NO PEEPLE THAT MAKE ENGINE B-4,

WE USE DYNO, MEASURE POWA, WE NO WAT MAKE POWA.

ENGINE + CARB + EXHAUST + STOCK PORT = NO POWA

ENGINE + CARB + EXHAUST + STREET PORT = RESPECTABLE POWA

ENGINE + CARB +EXHAUST + BRIDGE PORT = POWA

ANY ABOVE + TURBO = LOTS 'A POWA!

3 ROTOR = SEXY POWA!

There you go, that is rotary math. And it has been proven time and time again by many people building many different setups. 150 hp feels pretty damn fast in a first gen, but as n00bs find out the butt dyno is very inaccurate, it can turn 150 hp into like say 300hp. I dont need to contact anybody, because I know for a fact from personal experience that stock port setups rarely break 150-180 hp and they are lucky to get any where in that neighborhood. Its just a FACT, not anything that needs backed up its been proven for years...

BAM!

Here is some proof for ya, since you can provide any for yourself (Mr. "IM MAKING MORE THAN 150!" ehem wheres your dyno sheet??)

https://www.rx7club.com/1st-gen-general-discussion-207/%2A%2A-1st-gen-dyno-sticky-%2A%2A-658265/

1st gen dyno sticky, look at all the stock port 13b's that are non turbocharged.....

There is nothing to be embarassed about, those are respectable numbers!

Im thinking the guy in the teg just didnt kno how to drive period... Regardless of whos car makes more power, if u cant drive ur car is gonna suck, unless u have insane amounts of power that can make up for ur shitty driving skills in which case ur still not gonna be to ur full potential...either way ive seen cars with less power beat cars with more power from light to light just because of shitty drivers.

EXACTLY my point. Thank you sir. Finally someone with some common logic in them. :icon_tup:

I'm really enjoying watching you waste your time :jump:

lmao at this thread, if the guy said he beat the tegra why couldn't it be true??? there are a lot of factors that involved racing apart from just the car itself, i could have a built 400whp car ad if i don't know how to drive it im gonna get smoked every single time, its simple, this is like having a b18 engine n/a fully built, high comp pistons,cams, blah blah. lets say the car has his powerband at 9000k, if the driver shift only at 5000k in every race hes gonna get smoked. maybe the turbo integra owner doesn't know how to drive and that could be the factor of this outcome.

It is why. This is his first turbo car and he really isn't used to it yet. I'm glad to see you understand the situation and possibilities as well. Thanks for your input.

No prob! I used to win alot races back when i had my n/a fc because of my superior driving skills and there lack of...