Hey, I didnt say its impossible that you could have won, the teg SHOULD have destroyed you. But if it had a bad tune, and the driver sucked, then it is possible you could win. And the odds of both are just, really low....

Well unfortunately that was the situation and I did infact win. Thanks for your wonderful feedback and words of wisdom though :rlaugh:

well congrats on the kill!
turbo doesnt always mean that it has a lot of power.
just whenever someone hears turbo they automatically think fast, but that is not always true.
id say its time to for you to get a bridgeport! so the next time you'll pull even farther away!

Thanks sliderseven :) .

Thats very true, almost everytime someone mentions they've got a turbo or he has a turbo it's supposed to mean their car is ridiculously fast?? I don't think so.

In regards to the bridgeport, that's a bit too much for a daily driver :rlaugh:

Although I do plan on doing a full blowthrough turbo project on top of a nice street port. That should suffice haha.

look, im not a cheerleader, but this G model, 500lbs, less than a se with an se rear end, tranny and motor with a true dual header exhaust and a 48 weber that wanted 230 main jets, wich means its making some power... so if anybody feels like taking the pepsi challenge, bring it... this guys car weighs 2300 with him in it and makes good power, nuff said, im out

AHHHH that's some CHEESE for ya! :wiggle:

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God. The man beat a turbo'd integra. It COULDVE been shitty running, it COULDVE been shitty tuned. Yall dont know because its not the exact same car your supposed integras were, GIVE THE DUDE A BREAK. This is almost as entertaining as the z06 thread.
GOOD KILL :icon_tup:

hell ya ain't that the truth. I read that thread, so I know what you mean haha. Thanks for the kind words buddy. :icon_tup: :icon_tup:

I love how loki is quiet now :crackup:

i love how alot of people on here think the car your racing is absolutely perfect, driver car and all, when they WERE NOT THERE. Its bullshit and funny at the same time.

Couldn't agree with you more. You should have jumped in to this thread earlier :rlaugh:

Since you know the integra owner, find out what kind of turbo he has on it. I doubt he has a very big one if he is only pushing 8 psi, but after arguing with you I thought a bit more on the subject.

In my 12a with a full RB exhaust and a Mikuni 44 pph (ahem G model) I have laid waste to two turbocharged cars, now one was a Saab.... And we know how saab likes laggy turbos.... (Stoplight race from a dig, probably a different outcome on the highway) And the other was a friends Jetta with a big single that lagged for what seemed like days... Again same situation as the Saab, but the jetta is pushing a whole lot more than 8 psi

However I have raced one car with a small turbo, that was a Talon TSI and he destroyed me running 10 psi like we are talking bus lengths. Again I raced him from a dig, he reached full boost much quicker than the other two cars and left me standing still.

You still have to understand though, that you arent light enought to make a difference in this scenario, nor are you making near enough power. A B20 at 8 psi SHOULD annililate a 12a or 13b stock port non-turbo. But taking into consideration the type of race (Dig or Roll, how fast before shut down..) , how large the 'hot side' of the turbo is will give us all more insight into if your win is more plausible than initially thought.

Still haven't given up? Haha, I'm done gathering information for you or trying to convince you otherwise. The true RX-7 lovers on this site with respect for other fellow owners have showed their good standing and gave me a simple "nice kill" which is all that matters. Even Robert spoke some words and yet you still come back for more, enough is enough bro :)

hey, robert didnt tell me anything that makes your car an integra killer "buddy"

He didnt confirm or deny your story, and hey I understand that. He makes money off of his products, and I know they are good quality. But a 48 DCOE isnt going to help you any against a turbo teg or a G35. If anything it bogs alot if you dont drive it right because its a tad overkill for stock ports, a street port would really wake up your car.

I was trying to help you make your story a "little" more believeable, I was even polite, but hey if you want to act like a hard ass so be it.

I never said it was perfect, but even running like crap it would make more power than a 13b on stock ports. I love how he gives the atypical newb response of "go ask so and so" and avoids qeustions that deal with the actual event.

Up to this point he hasnt provided me with anything that would even remotely be proof, he hasnt even attempted to. I even try to help him out, and he avoids it. Why? Because this race probably never even took place, he has no integra friend, so he cant find out what kind of turbo he had.

And now he has dug himself a hole, and I think its pretty damn funny myself. Actually the whole reason I am here is for entertainment. :rlaugh:


Cbz

"Im done gathering information for you"

What information?? :lol2:

Ahh you're really a nut case. Once again you're saying things that I've never said before, "integra killer." I beat one tegra that wasn't really that hard for many reasons and the G35 might have decided to not race or thought the turbo would be too much or thought my car looked like a sleeper and didn't put his full effort, honestly I don't know. I described the situation as it happened so in the sense of that it was a Kill no matter what.

The "information" i've gotten for you is details on my friend's turbo teg. You JUST asked more info about the turbo for the first time, up to this point any questions you've asked were answered accordingly, if you don't think so re-read all the posts. To get you some quick information, I spoke with his brother right now and he said that the turbo on the tegra is a $100 ebay turbo not even a T4 but something like a T3 that's small and was described to be mean't for his Daihatsu. I'll get the exact model for you once I speak with the owner of the teg.

Another thing, I don't need YOU to make MY story more believable to anyone because frankly you're pretty much the only person here who has a problem believing and wants to be an ass. Everyone else, even if they somewhat questioned the situation or put their own input, still gave me a thumbs up and said congrats, thats all that should have came from you. Not this long dragged out pointless back and forth convo about a situation that DID happen and you find it hard to believe, your problem not anyone else.

Keep talking about "power power power" and still disregarding the fact of a LOT of it comes down to the overall skill of the driver behind the wheel. Once you can understand that concept you will have a LOT better knowledge of racing.

Look, you keep shooting yourself in the foot....

Turbos spooling at 5K

now your telling me that the teg has a small turbo....

First and foremost, you need to learn some things here. If you think I am disregarding skill, you are sadly mistaken, second I dont generally "race" anymore. When you have as much experience on the road as I have, you stop acknowledging stupid D-bags that rev at you. My life and my car are far more important than anything I have to prove.


A small turbo will spool quicker than a big turbo, thus reducing your N/A advantage of instant power. A small turbo not reaching full boost until 5K is simply ridiculous, a small turbo at 8 psi would be more than capable of roasting you.

I have said up to this point TWICE that you "could" have beaten him, however for some reason you feel like attempting to push my buttons because I cast doubt on you....

I'm only giving you the information he gives me, nothing more. If you'd like to have a one on one conversation with him then be my guest cause it seems like you can't just go with what you're told. Of course our car and especially our life is most important and also I do not go around racing D-bags that rev at me, he was a friend that I know very well and the conditions of when and where it was made it more safe to occur. Seriously though, we get what you're saying, but that doesn't change the fact that it happened and it's over with. So I will seriously just end this now and say Thank you for your input and discussion on the topic, but this doesn't need to go on any further. I know that it happened, I was there, that's all that matters at this point.

Word of advice, if you want to avoid this in the future invest in a video camera.

It will weed out any nay sayers,

And I think we need more videos in the kills section anyway
:)

-Chris

True that but the only real nay sayer on this thread is you :rlaugh: :rlaugh: .

It's all good though.

hahahaaa. apparently a turbo has to be small to run 8 pounds, no, and how are you supposed to steer and shift right while holding a video camera??
I must learn!! :)

hahah no kidding right? I think he means having a camera mounted in the center not actually hold it. but whatever, it's all gravy :lol2:

hahaha. too much effort. i wonder how you'd explain that to a cop lol

"Sorry officer I'm only doing this to convince someone on the RX7 Club, honest!!"

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this threads getting retarded even thoguh its slightly still entertaining. after reading the whole thing i will say this, of course its possible for this to happen. theres a lot of things that play into it condition of the car, set up, etc. and sure some ppl talk about driver skill and its one thing to say that in a race that involved any corners but unless i read this wrong u went in a straight line. how much skill does it take? people always say "oh the other driver must not know how to drive" and im thinking, if u cant drive in a straight line then stay off the road. another thing that doesnt make sense is how a small turbo has the lag of a big turbo. if not sure whats up with that but its not ur car so i dont expect you to know either. im just saying a small turbo that hits boost at 5k doesnt make sense. even if u look pat all of that and assume that every condition was in ur favor (ie- he cant drive, car not properly tuned, car not in good shape, bad launch, whatever) when he came up to you why didnt he say "hey i really cant drive for shit" or " my car isnt running right.... but i'll be back" instead of "zomg, how is ur na so fast?"

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Is that your boyfriend or something? :gayboy:

pfft. ahah. :wtf:

It is what it is bro. I don't understand as well cause it's not my car. But regardless, of course in the conversation days later he had said that he'd win next time it happens or whatever but he asked "why is your NA so fast" because it is pretty fast for what I have. I'll have to make some videos or run a 1/4 mile so some people can't understand where i'm coming from a little better.

Trust me people do not kno how to drag race, even more when its from a dig...my lil bro is 13 and he has NO clue how to do it... he has a 85 with about the same mods as cbz and i have my half-bridge TII, if i drove his car and he drove mine i would spank his ass in a quarter mile because he cant drive for shit even tho my car is faster...perfect example ehh??

Very well said :D.

But quick question, you're brother is 13 and drives??

weirder crap has happened.

^^that's what i said about the green bay and giant's game..and giant's won..EVERYONE was saying green bay was going to win, and i said weirder shit has happened soo giants are going to win..im not even into sport's i just said that to piss everyone off at work..:D

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videos would be nice :D i would like to see that

lol ya he got my hand me down 1st gen...lol, we live in a tiny tiny town, and way out in the country at that so my dad or me will go with him and let him drive...lol

LOL, well, my car was an 84 with a built 13b with no accessories, stripped, and had about the minimal parts you can have and still be able to take it on the road. Your car isn't lighter, and the engine was putting down a lot more power....

sry G35's and 350Z's arent really all that fast, especially from a dead start. and turbo teg's are overrated; i have an RSX as my daily driver that was supercharged, 9 lb pulley and i could walk a 350Z/G35C as long as i had traction, yet my '84 GSL-SE RX-7 wasnt all that much slower even from a roll. weight is a much larger issue than most people think.

Jeez.. driving an RX7 at age 13, must be nice.

Amen. RSX's are pretty nice all in all. The Type-S ones aren't even that bad too.

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What are you a retard, I never said it "had" to be small, I just made an assumption based on facts I already knew from previously owning a Honda. And according to Cbz when he called his "integra" friend it was a small turbo. Most people running 8 psi on Hondas are using T25s T03's and T28's TD04's and many others they've either bought on ebay or pulled from the junkyard. And the T03's are wastegated at 8 psi, I know I own one.

On top of that the size of the turbo is key to learning as to how likely the supposed outcome was, a big turbo longer spool means the N/A has an advantage from a dig. A small turbo with a quicker spool pretty much negates the N/A advantage.

Second, when did I say he was the one that had to do the filming? Bring a buddy, make a camera mount, I dont give a crap how you do it.

You sound like a twelve year old, I hope you feel like a hard ass. But I am sure you have some uneducated response to come back at me with. There is enough
n00bs and ignorance in this thread as it is. I come into fairy land and inject reality and fact and I get attacked... Christ what the world is coming to...

Oh hey, Cbz let me see that 15 sec slip when you run your car, oh what the hell you might run a high 14 if your lucky since I think you might actually have some skill.

Wasn't trying to be a hardass whatsoever, Just defending a buddy because so people on here are complete douche's that HAVE to be always right, i am in no way a noob, and i don't give a shit about your facts. Fact is he beat a turbo'd piece teg and you had to be all billy badass and bring your bullshit in here. Look at your car domain, YOUR the one who looks like a 12 year old bitch girl with straightened long hair, but don't worry, I'd act pissed off at the world too if i had to sleep next to a girl who looks like she more than likely shoots up meth. Poor you. I never 'attacked' you but i really dont care now, i just came in here with some humor to lighten everything up, because some people like to come in here high and mighty and ruin everyone else's day because they always have to be right, so in the future, actually try to stfu and say "GOOD KILL" every once in awhile, you might actually make a damn friend or two. Fuck





ok, im good :)

Dayum.

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I come in and tell it like it is, and instead of coming at me like an intelligent person you have to personally insult me?? I tell facts, I tell it like it is, and I have admitted that it very well is possible that he beat a turbo teg.

You are a noob in every aspect of the word, explain to me why I have to come in here and say good kill? I thought he was a n00b lying out his ass, I called him out on it. There isnt anything that says I cant call him out and ask him to prove it.

If you werent a noob than you would know how many noobs come through this forum and post BS kill stories, they lie through there teeth and when you call them out they dont have anything intelligent to say, or they make shit up, thats entertainment.

Whats even more f*cking entertaining is when all their n00b buddies who have been called out before band together and think that because their backing them up that automatically the story has to be beleivable.

Dont try to have an E-penis battle with me you little cock sucker, you can be as tough as you want having a pissing contest and calling me and my girlfriend names on the internet. But the simple fact is you dont have the stones to say it to my face, you think like every other little teenage punk on this forum. You think I actually care WTF you say. And you can talk about saying it to my face all day long until your blue in the face, it wont happen, I will put cash on it.

Like I said uneducated response, nowhere did you make any form of a valid point. And why do I care about friends on the damn internet, I have those in real life faggot.

I dont think Cbz is lying, I will admit that, by now he would have said something really stupid about his car and as of yet he hasnt. He didnt try to personally assualt me like you, which pretty much shows how ignorant you are. Grow up act mature, I didnt make fun of your woman shooting meth thats a step to far, you ever said that to my face and you would regret it. Straightened long hair, what are you a hair dresser, thats how my hair grows douche.

Im not acting pissed off at the world, simple fact is and if you cant agree your retarted. A stock B20 makes more power than a 13b, at 8 psi, it would be making at least twice what a 13b makes. A teg is ONLY in worst case scenario 3-400 lbs. heavier! At twice the amount of power that difference in weight would be neglidgable at best. If you didnt call someone out on that near unbeleiveable scenario your the idiot! The amount of factors that have to be wrong with the teg make it a very slight possibility that it could happen. Sure its possible, but he has a thousand to one shot! He got lucky if he did win! If you had any idea as to how many people come in here and post BS you would know WHY people get called out!

Intelligently?You had to pop off with the retard and 12 year old jokes! You're changing your story now!! I can TELL your one of those useless bastards who sit on the computer all day looking up the "facts" just to TRY to prove people wrong. Lets see, stones to say it to your face, thats kinda useless to say on the internet, you're just the baddest thing on earth aren't you?! Really wish i did live closer, I would DEMOLISH you,but im not gonna waste my time emphasizing it, it's useless. Just look at yourself, its the "facts", look at the way your girlfriend looks, the "facts" point to she looks like a damn methhead. Why is it that everything has to go off your facts, without a driver, your facts are fucking useless. Don't really care how slim the chances are, HE STILL BEAT HIM. You're the one who cant agree with that, but you seem to have all of a sudden change your story. If you didn't care what i said, why are you still bitching?? Hasnt said anything stupid about his car?? Then why did you have to utilize your "facts" about the whole his car doesn't make any power isn't fast blah blah your carbs useless b/s. Thats what got your bullshit started, your facts! Dont really care if you'd like to make a friend or not, its called being courteous, dick.
So here's some facts for you.
12 year old looking, long hair, badass, charlie manson prodigy:

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t...x7_/DOUCHE.jpg

METH, enough said:

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t..._rx7_/METH.jpg

thats a nice shade of skank meth red, and way to emphasize the shes a slut, awesome.

I mean, im just going off the facts, ya know?

well driving in a straight line and drag racing is not the same, THERE are people that do not know how to drag race, is like the example i made, if you have a car that has his powerband at 10000k and you shift it at 6000k your gonna lose everytime. drag racing is not only to go in a straight line, you have to know how to drive, ive seen drivers that suck shit in drag racing. i remembered a friend of my bro that had a 1993 civc hb with a jdm b16 swap, it was fully built. high comp pistons, skunk2 cams, fidanza cam gears, head work etc. the guy was getting beat all the time because he shifted at 7000k. who the hell shift a fully built b16 n/a honda engine at 7k, you have to rev the crap out of it at least 9000, 9500rpms. after someone show him how to DRIVE his car then he wasn't getting beat all the time. you see, that's one factor that involves drag racing and the most common that sucks, that is the DRIVER behind the wheel.

exactly!

Ahh it's times like this that I enjoy when the real RX7 lovers come out and help to back up other fellow owners in need. Thanks for your feedback as well rx7legend. But anyways, for 1987tIIc and LokiRx7, I think we can just stop now. It's getting a little bit too far and too personal and doesn't need to, but I appreciate all your help and feedback, you've been very helpful in this thread. In the end everyone has their own opinions and what Loki said was true, I've read a lot of kills on this forum and there are a lot of NOOBS that post BS on here, so I tried to give out as much info as I can to back up what I said happened, and I had no problem with that. Was nice discussing you with this Loki.

I think the best part is.. how after starting this thread there were 76 views and 0 replies.. but after I asked wheres the love? this is what happens.. gotta love this forum.. :rlaugh: :rlaugh:

agreed

I think he prolly took him. I have a similar setup...stockport 13b, mikuni 44 sidedraft carb, rb headers, all straight pipe to rb muffler..was told by the guy that did the swap makes about 180 rwhp..what you guys think?

very valid point and i see what u mean. i just assume that if ur into cars and have modifications such as a turbo kit u'd know when the power band was. i just need to stop assuming all people have intelligence

yeah integra's suck, go rsx. oh wait, wait a minute isnt the rsx an integra? oh yeah i think it is.


true there are probably some turbo tegs out there that arent done right but a half decent one is not something i woudl call overrated. whats done to your fb that makes it just about as fast as a 350z/g35?