Why all the Hate on the Veilside Kits
09-24-02, 01:40 AM
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Originally posted by sszablya
I'd have to say that is the most ******* retarded thing I've ever heard. That's the reason ANYBODY buys an FD. For it's looks.
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I'd have to say that is the most ******* retarded thing I've ever heard. That's the reason ANYBODY buys an FD. For it's looks.
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09-24-02, 01:51 AM
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The only problem I have with the Veilside is that it is too universal. I liked it alot when it came out for the 2nd gen Eclipse, it worked well on that car. Now you can see it on alot of cars.
I like my car to be distintive. Take the GT aluminum wing. Not only do I see it on stock Hondas, but on a Hundai?
If you want you car to stylish and distintive, look at Knightsports and RE Amemiya which are RX-7 only tuners.
I like my car to be distintive. Take the GT aluminum wing. Not only do I see it on stock Hondas, but on a Hundai?
If you want you car to stylish and distintive, look at Knightsports and RE Amemiya which are RX-7 only tuners.
09-24-02, 09:31 AM
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Originally posted by Fd3BOOST
You sir are a dumbass. I love the cars looks but I got it fo rthe speed. Sorry to brst your bubble. Dipshit.
You sir are a dumbass. I love the cars looks but I got it fo rthe speed. Sorry to brst your bubble. Dipshit.
Sorry to brst your bubble. Dipshit.
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09-24-02, 10:30 AM
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Oh yeah, FD3Boost,
I'm sorry if I pissed you off. I just realized this - I suppose my language can be a little agressive at times. Really my intent with my first comment was light-hearted. Hope you're not too mad?
I'm sorry if I pissed you off. I just realized this - I suppose my language can be a little agressive at times. Really my intent with my first comment was light-hearted. Hope you're not too mad?
09-25-02, 02:44 AM
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Originally posted by sszablya
It would be less $$$ (when comparing to average ownership maintenence of an FD) to buy a S13 and put an modded Black Top in it. They handle similarly, and would have nearly the same power to weight ratio. This doesn't make any sense to say that you bought the FD purely for it's speed. There are other cars out there that are similar and cost comparitave, but not styled as elegantly as the FD.
It would be less $$$ (when comparing to average ownership maintenence of an FD) to buy a S13 and put an modded Black Top in it. They handle similarly, and would have nearly the same power to weight ratio. This doesn't make any sense to say that you bought the FD purely for it's speed. There are other cars out there that are similar and cost comparitave, but not styled as elegantly as the FD.
Yes, I love the way it looks. I love turbo rotary engines. I love light cars with good suspensions. I love the performance. And I think the aluminum jack is cool. All those things influenced my decision (well, maybe not the jack), but it makes no more sense to boil it down to looks than it does to boil it down to the jack.
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09-25-02, 10:03 AM
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Originally posted by maxcooper
Of course it isn't a pure decision,
Of course it isn't a pure decision,
With that reasoning, you could say that everyone bought the car because it has an aluminum jack. "Certainly there are others cars that offer similar performance for the same money but don't have an aluminum jack, so since the RX-7 has an aluminum jack, you must be making your decision based on that fact."
See how that argument makes no sense?
Yes, I love the way it looks. I love turbo rotary engines. I love light cars with good suspensions. I love the performance. And I think the aluminum jack is cool. All those things influenced my decision (well, maybe not the jack), but it makes no more sense to boil it down to looks than it does to boil it down to the jack.
-Max
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09-25-02, 11:16 AM
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Originally posted by maxcooper
Of course it isn't a pure decision, but you keep boiling it down to looks, and I am telling you that looks are not the driving factor for me. With that reasoning, you could say that everyone bought the car because it has an aluminum jack. "Certainly there are others cars that offer similar performance for the same money but don't have an aluminum jack, so since the RX-7 has an aluminum jack, you must be making your decision based on that fact." See how that argument makes no sense? That has the same structure as your argument about looks.
Yes, I love the way it looks. I love turbo rotary engines. I love light cars with good suspensions. I love the performance. And I think the aluminum jack is cool. All those things influenced my decision (well, maybe not the jack), but it makes no more sense to boil it down to looks than it does to boil it down to the jack.
-Max
Of course it isn't a pure decision, but you keep boiling it down to looks, and I am telling you that looks are not the driving factor for me. With that reasoning, you could say that everyone bought the car because it has an aluminum jack. "Certainly there are others cars that offer similar performance for the same money but don't have an aluminum jack, so since the RX-7 has an aluminum jack, you must be making your decision based on that fact." See how that argument makes no sense? That has the same structure as your argument about looks.
Yes, I love the way it looks. I love turbo rotary engines. I love light cars with good suspensions. I love the performance. And I think the aluminum jack is cool. All those things influenced my decision (well, maybe not the jack), but it makes no more sense to boil it down to looks than it does to boil it down to the jack.
-Max
Max, you always have an interesting tidbit to add to my database!
09-25-02, 05:53 PM
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I don't agree with this, and this is precisely what I was arguing against:
I do agree that looks play a role in the decision, but that is quite a different thing from being the deciding factor. For me, performance weighs more heavily than looks. That doesn't mean I don't like the way it looks or that I am not happy it is an attractive car, it just means I would choose the Kolt in the choice I setup in the previous post. If looks was "the reason ANYBODY buys" a car, then everybody would choose the Arex-7. And I would smoke all you posers in my ugly-*** Kolt. 
I am not arguing that looks had no influence, I am simply arguing that looks isn't the most important factor for all buyers. It might be the most important factor for some or even most buyers, but there are buyers for whom it is not the most important factor. Clear?
-Max
Originally posted by sszablya
That's the reason ANYBODY buys an FD. For it's looks.
That's the reason ANYBODY buys an FD. For it's looks.
Originally posted by sszablya
So, if I understand, you're agreeing with me, in that looks influenced the decision to buy the car? How can you argue that looks had no influence if you like the way the car looks? The way I see it, this argument would only be sound if you said "I hate how ugly this car is, but I love the way it performs." Then, your decision would be based entirely on performance, and not on looks at all.
So, if I understand, you're agreeing with me, in that looks influenced the decision to buy the car? How can you argue that looks had no influence if you like the way the car looks? The way I see it, this argument would only be sound if you said "I hate how ugly this car is, but I love the way it performs." Then, your decision would be based entirely on performance, and not on looks at all.
-Max
09-25-02, 07:57 PM
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Originally posted by maxcooper
I am not arguing that looks had no influence, I am simply arguing that looks isn't the most important factor for all buyers. It might be the most important factor for some or even most buyers, but there are buyers for whom it is not the most important factor. Clear?
-Max
I am not arguing that looks had no influence, I am simply arguing that looks isn't the most important factor for all buyers. It might be the most important factor for some or even most buyers, but there are buyers for whom it is not the most important factor. Clear?
-Max
Here's my point. Everyone knows you can't sell (many anyways) a car, or anything for that matter, without proper packaging; except for the few who know what's in the package.
I said appearance is the reason anybody buys an FD.
That's what I mean. The very first time you saw an FD. before you drove it, or saw the Motor Trend reports, if you thought the FD was attractive, then that pulled you in. The appearance has to be what planted the seed, no matter how long that seed thought lay dormant. The ad you saw. The time one passed you on the freeway. That TV commercial. Planted the seed. Whether you bought it new, or used. That seed was there before you realized the performance potential.
Were that seed never planted, then the plan to purchase would have never come to light.
A mid soap-box disclaimer: Of course, my thoughts are totally and utterly worthless if you bought the car as a trailered-only track car. Then, I'd hope you wouldn't consider appearance. I never made this point of my discussion clear to anyone outside my own cranium. I apologize for that.
Preemptively, have you ever heard anyone say "That car handles like a 3rd generation RX7."? - Establishing that the brand was not previously (to purchasing) thought to be the benchmark. For example: You'll hear, "It handles like a Porsche", or "It's as fast as a Ferarri", but never "That car handlles like an FD."
I understand your point and accept it.
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09-27-02, 03:34 AM
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I understand your statement much better now. I agree that it is probably the looks that first attracted the vast majority of buyers to the car, even as other considerations came into the buying decision later. But there are still those of us that followed the Car & Driver Road Test Digest pages more closely than the flashy ads in the magazine.
I read the magazine reports and said "holy **** that thing is fast!" It looks cool, too, but it was the performance that pulled me in. I had an 88 Turbo II (which had the same aluminum jack) and that is what really got me excited about turbo rotary power.
-Max
I read the magazine reports and said "holy **** that thing is fast!" It looks cool, too, but it was the performance that pulled me in. I had an 88 Turbo II (which had the same aluminum jack
) and that is what really got me excited about turbo rotary power.-Max
09-27-02, 12:27 PM
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Appearance was first for me also. Then I realized what could be done under the hood and that makes it that much better.
Awesome/unique looking car + low price tag + killer community of owners/drivers on the net + mods out the wazoo on the exterior and interior + single/double up to 700 hp turbo mods = the best sports car EVER!
Nuff said... Now if I only had 10K to put down on one. That's the next project....
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Awesome/unique looking car + low price tag + killer community of owners/drivers on the net + mods out the wazoo on the exterior and interior + single/double up to 700 hp turbo mods = the best sports car EVER!
Nuff said... Now if I only had 10K to put down on one. That's the next project....
Gil
09-30-02, 11:49 AM
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Appearance is almost always first. What else do you have to go on? I believe mazda went through great lengths to not only ensure the car performed well, but looked just as good too. After all, that's what a true sports car is...a healthy combination of style and performance. The 7 has both and thats why I like it. Nuff said.
09-30-02, 02:50 PM
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i think it makes the rx7 look like every other car out there as far as imports 
(kinda civicy if you know what i mean) it looks like to me like it takes all of the sleek look out of the rx7 just my opinion
(kinda civicy if you know what i mean) it looks like to me like it takes all of the sleek look out of the rx7 just my opinion
09-30-02, 03:49 PM
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I bought my FD soley on the idea that it had an alumnium jack. I knew that having one would get me laid.
I bought my FD soley on the idea that it had an alumnium jack. I knew that having one would get me laid.
I bought the RX7 for its handling and the unique motor.
Everything else was extras ... nope, didn't get laid b/c of the car though.
10-02-02, 06:51 AM
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I bought my FD soley on the idea that it had an alumnium jack. I knew that having one would get me laid.
I bought my FD soley on the idea that it had an alumnium jack. I knew that having one would get me laid.
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10-02-02, 07:33 PM
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Humm the Feed bumper with the 99 j spec lights is pretty nice.. but veilside looks like a duck mouth 
But.. the FD has already a nice shape, you can change little things on the look, but it have to stay an FD.. Not look like a rice machine. The 99Jdm front end is also nice when you want to keep a stock look on your FD.
But.. the FD has already a nice shape, you can change little things on the look, but it have to stay an FD.. Not look like a rice machine. The 99Jdm front end is also nice when you want to keep a stock look on your FD.
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1982 rx7
looking for a body kit for a 1982 rx7 gsl.... can find any does anyone know wherei can find custom front bumper rear skirt and fender flares? thanks -rich- if you do please leave a message in my inbox that would be awlsome
