Interior / Exterior / Audio Talk about interior and exterior mods including audio.

RX-7 series 6 Carbon Fibre doors

Old Nov 20, 2005 | 10:37 PM
  #26  
DaiOni's Avatar
Wankler
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 1,565
Likes: 2
From: Kobe, Japan
cheers for that ian!
Reply
Old Nov 21, 2005 | 01:18 AM
  #27  
carbon man's Avatar
Thread Starter
Full Member
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 167
Likes: 0
From: Sydney
Originally Posted by sonix7
I am not really going to the down under, too bad. I am just very impressed and would love to work for a company that does what you do. I am by no means an expert but, perfection is a little hard to overlook for me. Carbon Fiber anything is not easy. Mold making and the complex process of fabricating something like that door is definately why the door garnishes that price and should. I for one am impressed and wish I could get the experience of working for you. Keep up the innovative and astonishing work. My hats off to you sir.
Thanks, These RX-7 doors are very complex to make and I believe they are good value. I make parts for a lot of other cars. For example parts like the Porsche Super Cup door which is made in Carbon Fibre/fibreglass from Porsche and they sell them for more than $7000.00 per door from Porsche. I make a replica Super Cup door in FULL carbon Fibre, these door are easier to make with less than half the work to make than the RX-7 doors they sell for $1500 a door.

~ ian.
Reply
Old Nov 21, 2005 | 03:05 AM
  #28  
carbon man's Avatar
Thread Starter
Full Member
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 167
Likes: 0
From: Sydney
door pic

this pic has better detail

~ ian.
Attached Thumbnails RX-7 series 6 Carbon Fibre doors-rx-7-cf.jpg  
Reply
Old Nov 21, 2005 | 03:33 AM
  #29  
DMRH's Avatar
Senior Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 587
Likes: 2
From: Sydney, Australia
Are these the RE-Amemiya ones or have you actually done them yourself......??

I recall the RE-Amemiya ones are quite expensive
Reply
Old Nov 21, 2005 | 03:51 AM
  #30  
carbon man's Avatar
Thread Starter
Full Member
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 167
Likes: 0
From: Sydney
I do these myself

~ ian.
Reply
Old Nov 21, 2005 | 10:10 AM
  #31  
sonix7's Avatar
Banned. I got OWNED!!!
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 1,766
Likes: 1
From: ft. collins, colorado
I bet that is so lite and strong. It looks perfect. I would have a hard time painting over that. I would just claer coat it and leave it. a true carbon fiber FD. Ian, hypothetically speaking, do you think its possible to replicate an entire frame and body panels or would that just be too difficult and expensive. Seems you could do it for the orice of a Bently or an high priced Lambo or something. I am just wondering? Thanx for the pics. Those doors are simply awesome. I am super impressed by your work.
Reply
Old Nov 21, 2005 | 10:28 AM
  #32  
NO PISTONS's Avatar
Rotary
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 116
Likes: 0
From: Pennsylvania
Id go for fiberglass doors instead
Reply
Old Nov 21, 2005 | 11:22 AM
  #33  
sonix7's Avatar
Banned. I got OWNED!!!
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 1,766
Likes: 1
From: ft. collins, colorado
do you wanna explain exactly why Mr. NO PISTONS, two posts? Carbon fiber is a stronger fabric than fiberglass and just as lite. Carbon Fiber has a superior strength to weight ratio than FG. There are many advantages to having carbon fiber over fiberglass, otherwise race car drivers and makers would be using fiberglass! so can you explain why? if you say price, you pay for what you get. no matter how you look at it CF is superior.
Reply
Old Nov 21, 2005 | 11:53 AM
  #34  
EricM's Avatar
Senior Member
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 411
Likes: 0
Are these doors made from dry carbon ? I read that by curing it in the autoclave you can produce the strongest yet lightest weight carbon fiber parts. I believe some Japanese RX7 tuners offer these dry carbon parts and it's ridiculously expensive.
Reply
Old Nov 21, 2005 | 02:19 PM
  #35  
carbon man's Avatar
Thread Starter
Full Member
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 167
Likes: 0
From: Sydney
Originally Posted by sonix7
I bet that is so lite and strong. It looks perfect. I would have a hard time painting over that. I would just claer coat it and leave it. a true carbon fiber FD. Ian, hypothetically speaking, do you think its possible to replicate an entire frame and body panels or would that just be too difficult and expensive. Seems you could do it for the orice of a Bently or an high priced Lambo or something. I am just wondering? Thanx for the pics. Those doors are simply awesome. I am super impressed by your work.
I have done large car panels. We can make nearly anything if you have enough money. I did a 3.8 meter Bass Boat in full carbonfibre including the full decks and it weighed 55 kg finished.

~ ian.
Reply
Old Nov 21, 2005 | 02:45 PM
  #36  
carbon man's Avatar
Thread Starter
Full Member
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 167
Likes: 0
From: Sydney
These doors are made in a process called "Resin Infusion"
This process the dry carbon cloth is cut to paterns and layed in the mold dry (in the doors 3 layers plus core per skin), then a silk release cloth is layed on and a breather material. The loaded mold is placed in a bag (I use a silocone bag) with feed and breather lines and it is put under vacuum. Resin is then sucked through the bag wetting out the Carbon Fibre, when the resin has got right theough the part the resin feed it taped off and the job stays under vacuum till it has gelled to what we call "Green trim" (this time is worked out from a computer monitering system) then the gag is opened and the mold removed, the breather and the silk are removed and the edges are knife trimmed. The job is then placed in a over to post cure. These doors are made in 7 part molds, including overlap flanges and anti-intrusion bars. Once all ther parts are made they are joined together and de-molded.
we can then buff the out side if reqired.

In the photo is the first laryer of Carbon Fibre cut for a RX-7 SP front spoiler. There is 3 layers of carbon and a 3mm sinthetic honeycomb infusion core.

~ian.
Attached Thumbnails RX-7 series 6 Carbon Fibre doors-rx7-front.jpg  
Reply
Old Nov 21, 2005 | 02:56 PM
  #37  
7racer's Avatar
Eats, Sleeps, Dreams Rotary
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 3,736
Likes: 10
From: Dallas, Texas
impressive!!
Reply
Old Nov 21, 2005 | 03:51 PM
  #38  
carbon man's Avatar
Thread Starter
Full Member
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 167
Likes: 0
From: Sydney
Originally Posted by sonix7
do you wanna explain exactly why Mr. NO PISTONS, two posts? Carbon fiber is a stronger fabric than fiberglass and just as lite. Carbon Fiber has a superior strength to weight ratio than FG. There are many advantages to having carbon fiber over fiberglass, otherwise race car drivers and makers would be using fiberglass! so can you explain why? if you say price, you pay for what you get. no matter how you look at it CF is superior.
Carbon Fibre is only as good as how it is bonded. A good resin at the right cloth to resin ratio which is baked corectly makes a very light strong part, but if you add to much resin it gets heavier and weaker. In most cases a hand laminated Carbon Fibre is not much lighter or stronger than hand laminated fibreglass. I have done a lot of testing on race componets and I prefer "Resin Infusion" with a "Vinyl Ester Resin" and post cured. Most Pre-preg ( I did do Pre-Preg) Carbon Fibre is expensive and requires more complex tooling and autoclave to produce a part and yes you can achive a lighter stronger part, but it is also very difficult to do repairs to or do secondary bonding to. It also is usually a lot higher tensile which makes it less impact resistant.
Reply
Old Nov 21, 2005 | 04:03 PM
  #39  
`sl!mXP's Avatar
I
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 599
Likes: 0
From: Pittsburgh
whoa O_O

doors look amazing - props!!!
Reply
Old Nov 21, 2005 | 05:16 PM
  #40  
sonix7's Avatar
Banned. I got OWNED!!!
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 1,766
Likes: 1
From: ft. collins, colorado
Originally Posted by carbon man
Carbon Fibre is only as good as how it is bonded. A good resin at the right cloth to resin ratio which is baked corectly makes a very light strong part, but if you add to much resin it gets heavier and weaker. In most cases a hand laminated Carbon Fibre is not much lighter or stronger than hand laminated fibreglass. I have done a lot of testing on race componets and I prefer "Resin Infusion" with a "Vinyl Ester Resin" and post cured. Most Pre-preg ( I did do Pre-Preg) Carbon Fibre is expensive and requires more complex tooling and autoclave to produce a part and yes you can achive a lighter stronger part, but it is also very difficult to do repairs to or do secondary bonding to. It also is usually a lot higher tensile which makes it less impact resistant.
your right, sorry I didn't point that out. Yeah resin to fabric ratio is the key. Too much of one or the other and you could have a weaker part. I will tell you that the material alone on these doors must be in 700.00 dollar range. That doesn't include the R&D and labor. I do vacuum bagging, I have not done resin infusion. However I have learned about and it is the superior way of doing it because you can control your resin flow and vacuum pressure. You use the right about of resin to fabric so you can come up with an extremely light and strong product.
Reply
Old Nov 21, 2005 | 05:17 PM
  #41  
sonix7's Avatar
Banned. I got OWNED!!!
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 1,766
Likes: 1
From: ft. collins, colorado
If I lived in Australlia I would come work with you for free, just to learn more and get to do what you do. I wish you weren't so far away.
Reply
Old Nov 21, 2005 | 05:19 PM
  #42  
afterburn27's Avatar
Lets Go Hokies!
Tenured Member 20 Years
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 1,727
Likes: 4
From: Greenville, SC
Drooool...

So who is going to be the first person with CF doors, fenders, bumpers, hood, and hatch? lol I bet all those would save a good amount of weight (except for the hood since it is already Al)
Reply
Old Nov 21, 2005 | 05:42 PM
  #43  
carbon man's Avatar
Thread Starter
Full Member
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 167
Likes: 0
From: Sydney
A RX-7 customer I have supplied a lot of parts to has got his car under 1000 kg and he has left the Carbon un-painted (looks horn)

~ ian.
Reply
Old Nov 21, 2005 | 05:54 PM
  #44  
carbon man's Avatar
Thread Starter
Full Member
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 167
Likes: 0
From: Sydney
Infusion

this is a re-usable double sided silicone bag that I use for most of my jobs and I use a MoTeC ADL Dash logger as the monitoring and logging.

~ian.
Attached Thumbnails RX-7 series 6 Carbon Fibre doors-infusion-frame.jpg  
Reply
Old Nov 21, 2005 | 06:12 PM
  #45  
afterburn27's Avatar
Lets Go Hokies!
Tenured Member 20 Years
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 1,727
Likes: 4
From: Greenville, SC
Originally Posted by carbon man
A RX-7 customer I have supplied a lot of parts to has got his car under 1000 kg
yes, under 1000kg would be very niiiice.

Originally Posted by carbon man
(looks horn)
Oh you Aussies and your funny words
Reply
Old Nov 21, 2005 | 08:10 PM
  #46  
Rotofire's Avatar
Yea, I'm working on it...
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 1,220
Likes: 0
From: Click click fucking click, Africa
horn?
Reply
Old Nov 21, 2005 | 10:59 PM
  #47  
frankadelic's Avatar
Frankie V
Tenured Member 20 Years
 
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 221
Likes: 1
From: Mill Valley
Smile other CF stuff?

Gorgeous, but I'm working on my interior now. Have you done any interior pieces? Specifically I would like a full crash pad (full dash) made without the center speaker hole and passenger airbag for my '94. Does your work come with the tabs, slots, and holes that the stock pieces come with? Possibly interested in door panels as well although I have brand new in the box sets for my project.

cheers,

V
Reply
Old Nov 22, 2005 | 01:21 AM
  #48  
carbon man's Avatar
Thread Starter
Full Member
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 167
Likes: 0
From: Sydney
crash pad

I have had only one enquiry for the crash pad so I have not done one as yet. I have done some instrument top and the matching centre that goes down to the console, these are done with flat face to delete airconditioning, radio slot and switches. These are used in race cars for use with aftermarket instrumentation like a MoTeC ADL.

~ian.
Attached Thumbnails RX-7 series 6 Carbon Fibre doors-dash-top.jpg  
Reply
Old Nov 22, 2005 | 10:30 AM
  #49  
Touge Monster's Avatar
RAWR!!!
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 370
Likes: 0
From: Tokyo
All I can say is that is some of the best CF work I have seen for sale yet. Wish I had the money to rep some of your parts but being a poor college student doesnt help me much. Good luck with the doors.
Reply
Old Nov 22, 2005 | 07:16 PM
  #50  
frankadelic's Avatar
Frankie V
Tenured Member 20 Years
 
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 221
Likes: 1
From: Mill Valley
Wink

Originally Posted by carbon man
I have had only one enquiry for the crash pad so I have not done one as yet. I have done some instrument top and the matching centre that goes down to the console, these are done with flat face to delete airconditioning, radio slot and switches. These are used in race cars for use with aftermarket instrumentation like a MoTeC ADL.

~ian.
Ian thank you for your quick reply. From the sounds of your reply it sounds doubtful about any crashpad CF works. However, if you do decide to make it please give me a shout. I'm still considering your other fine offerings.

V
Reply

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:11 PM.