With the new firmware the E8/11 will log EGT and has EGT/fuel compensation available. You'll still need a good thermocouple (something that reacts faster than most probes that comes with popular kits) and an amplififer (Innovate TC-4 or a similar single channel amplifier). If you do that you might as well use the Haltech to log a/f as well and eliminate the 2nd string.

Something to consider is that when you are tuning and you need to see both data streams from the Haltech and Innovate you basically need to have two laptops going at once. It's too time consuming to swap serial cables all day.

If you plan to do anything with the Innovate logging a/f ratio you'll need to also log rpm and MAP through the Innovate (using a DL-32 or LMA-3) to be able to see at what load and rev range you need to make adjustments. Another reason to log everything through one source.

Personally, I use an LM-1, LMA-3, TC-4 combination for tuning. I run two laptops, one interfacing with the EMS and one with the Innovate chain. This works very well for dyno work but it's cumbersome and kind of a PITA to navigate if you'll be road tuning.

The Haltech logs data well but the software to view it is just not nearly as good as what Innovate uses. I prefer to open the Haltech files with a spreadsheet v. trying to use their program.

With all that said, and all you are wanting to log you'll need an E11 to have enough channels to catch it all. You would be wanting to log 5 analog inputs. The E8 only has 3 available.

 

you'll want to also bring the wideband into the haltech to do open loop 02 control unless you don't care about off boost gas mileage.

 

Wow thank both of you. It looks like the e11v2 will do everything I need and then some. I don't think I will be disappointed. I guess I will just order it and bite the bullet. I am somewhat nervous about it, because going standalone seems like a whole new level of ways to blow my engine. haha

Is there anything else anybody would recommend I get (example sensors). I have seen a post where I can get the boost controller for a lot cheaper than from haltech, and everyone recommends the innovative wideband, is there anything else?

Thanks
~Tweak

 

If I was going to do it again I would get the E11 over the E8 in a heartbeat.

But if you can wait, consider getting the platinum ecu when it comes out as a universal model (should be summer this year).

 

I really can't wait much longer. I am getting it tunned here in a couple months. Also I'm pretty sure the e11v2 can do everything I need, and that the platinum might be a little over kill. Are there going going to be any features that we are really going to "need" with the platinum? Also I could sell the e11v2 and get the plat if I REALLY need too, but I don't see the $2000+ price tag being even a possibility for me.

Thanks though.

(also, couldn't you sell ur e8 and get a e11v2? I thought you said the wireing was about the same, shouldn't be too hard to upgrade at all....)

 

Wiring is the same, I would just need to add wires for the extra E11 features.

I am going to sell it and get a platinum when the platinum comes out.

 

This is when having 2 USB to serial adapters blows you away. When you have 2 you can plug the 2 devices at the same time and log them independently!!

Works like a dream, i have done it often to be able to calibrate the Wideband coming out of the innovate and going into the haltech online to input the calibration.

 

Ok, so far this is what it looks like I should be buying. Again please correct me if I am wrong.

Haltech e11v2 ecu
3 bar map
basic sensor pack (intake temp, coolant temp, and TPS)
two USB->serial adapters

Innovate motorsports :
TC-4 (4 Channel Thermocouple Interface) for EGT (includes amplifier if I read it correctly so I can log it with haltech)
LC-1 with gauge kit for $289
EGT probe? Can it get it from innovate? I couldn't find one.

I don't see where haltech offers oil pressure and temp sensors, so I'm guessing I just have to get one and have it calibrated to use on the haltech? Or can I use the stock oil pressure? I don't think we have oil temp sensors stock..

Anyways, I guess I need all the gauges, oil pressure, temp, coolant temp, unless I figure out a nice way to project it onto a little 7 inch screen for cheap. We will see.

I feel like I am missing tons of stuff.... O.o but I don't know what.. I think I am just fuzzy on knowing exactly all what the haltech can do. hehe

 

Claudio,
Has Haltech looked into logworks for viewing Haltech logging? Unless they are working on better logging software for the current ecu's they really should work with Innovate Motorsports as they are looking for ecu's to work with for logging.

 

Carputer it, and run logworks running your gauges onto the 7in screen.

 

I really can't do a carputer, although really cool. Just thinking that if for what ever reason the comptuer crashed, all my gauges would be gone, isn't a risk I am willing to take. Also waiting for the computer to boot up each time I start the car is not acceptable.

It's a great idea, but I don't think it will work here. Also my eletrical system doesn't need the extra tax.

 

+1.......

 

The Innovate TC-4 does not have a seperate linear output that can be interfaced with a seperate logger. The 5V+ output of the TC-4 is a constant power source for another sensor. Forgot about that when I spoke of it earlier. I use mine to log through the Innovate.

For tuning alone you best bet is a non-shielded thermocouple. They will be the fastest to respond but have the shortest life. I've actually gotten good results cutting the shielding material away from shielded thermocouples. If that's not your cup of tea try these. http://performancetuner.net/EGT.html Every EGT gauge package on the market I'm aware of comes with a shielded thermocouple. These range from a simple stainless sheath to a ridiculous amount of ceramic around the probe that makes them have transient response you could measure with a sundial.

You can use any pressure and temp sender that outputs a 0-5V+ signal. Haltech doesn't offer senders. FJO offers some nice ones. It would also be possible to use a gauge with their sender so that you could have a visual indicator at all times plus the logging capability. There may be cheaper options from Autometer or the like. As long as the electric sender outputs in a 0-5V+, linear manner it will interface with the Haltech or the Innovate for that matter.

 

I've thought of running two programs through one pc. One thing that's stopped me is the fear of the usb adapter. I've never used one. At the dyno it's no big deal to run two machines because you have the room and it's nice to be able to see stuff on both screens at the same time. Might give it a try for street tuning though.

 

It works fine Chris, having the 2 adapters giving you independent serial ports and comms with both going through to the laptop and it works fine.