What seems to be the going rate for an E11 w/everything needed to operate a single turbo? Who is selling them for the best price?

 

I wouldn't purchase the E11 just yet, Heath. It's still got some issues that need to be worked out, namely 2-rotor ignition problems. Once we/you get the word that it's good, then I say go for that system by all means. Other than the hiccups, it's absolutely wonderful.

B

 

Any word on whether they have worked out the "2-rotor ignition" problems yet? I would really like to pick up one of these in about a month when I head out to Australia. I also *love* the Halwin demo software!!! It's so fun and "user-friendly". Honestly, I've never done anything on a computer to do with MS-DOS... I'd much rather prefer something having to do with Windows...

 

They seem to have this one fixed.

But if you haven't got a friendly and patient installer I'd still wait a bit.

 

Hmm, I was planning on doing this one myself... Honestly, I've had no previous experience wiring any Stand-alone ECU up. I've only torn apart the stock ECU harness and basically rebuilt it... I dunno why, but I get the idea that it shouldn't be too hard to do everything up properly.

Hmm, why do you suggest I still wait a bit longer? Are there still problems that need to be solved with the E11?

Sorry for being long-winded, and thanks for replying.

 

The manual isn't 100% yet, and there are way too many unknown factors in the E11/13B equation yet for my liking.

My install is 6 months old now, and the thing still isn't running anywhere near right, although I am hopeful that the latest firmware from Haltech has fixed some more problems.

It's really fortunate that I'm fairly patient, and have other cars to play with, but I still worry about damage to my engine during the tuning attempts...

 

A customer of mine has got his E11V1 running pretty well in his '90 FC3S turbo.&nbsp The car was put through a mild torture test during this past weekend at a drifting event.&nbsp The car performed with flying colors.&nbsp The maps were really only tuned up to 5kRPM, but the engine was able to rev up to 8kRPM (redline) with very little fuss.&nbsp I haven't been able to confirm the rumor about problems with the trailing split, as I haven't even begun to touch those maps yet.&nbsp The owner was really happy with his decision, as he was initially worried with ignition problems with the early release of the E11V1.&nbsp We're running an updated firmware (B04, I think) that cured the nasty ignition problem...

I wouldn't discount the E11 yet.&nbsp I'd still take (and recommend) the E11 (V2) at this time...


-Ted

 

Hi Ted,

He's a very lucky man, as I can assure you there is a bug in B04 which can cause the timing to become unstable at 6K and over. It is related to the initial timing offset - I believe that the greater the offset the worse the problem. Mine was 70degrees, and the timing was jumping around 50 degrees in each direction at 6Krpm. Not nice. I'm running B11 now, which appears to be much better, and is a lot "crisper" feeling too. Yet to get it on the dyno though..

But I agree - I'm not discounting the E11, I'm just saying that I don't believe it is a bolt-in, drive away proposition just yet, and that anyone who is in a rush might be better off with an E6K. But with Adrian back at Haltech now it should all be good eventually, as he really seems to understand the unit.

 

Wow, that is scary...
How'd you guys troubleshoot the wandering timing?&nbsp You actually sat there under the hood while the engine was revving over 6kRPM?&nbsp That's pretty hairy!&nbsp I'll look into the new B11 firware!


The unit is only as good as the tuner.&nbsp I had to pull all my experience to get through the teething problems (of the E11).&nbsp I've been with Haltech for quite a few years, and I was familiar with what Haltech went through with the E6S and the E6K.&nbsp I had to calm the customer down and told him to be patient.&nbsp The E11 has a lot of potential - it just needs the firmware to be tweaked a bit to "iron out all the bugs".&nbsp You get what you pay for - if you wanted a solid unit with none of the headaches, I'd recommend MoTeC - not many people would pay that kinda price though... *sigh*



-Ted

 

I wasn't present at the Dyno session (fortunately for my old heart ) but evidently it detonated a couple of times, then made some other really weird noises, then all went back to normal as they backed off... The Data logs and on-screen display evidently told the story, and once Adrian got hold of all the data he was able to replicate the problem on his test bench simulator and came up with a fix the same day!

And yes, my tuner is very good, but he doesn't specialise in Haltech's, and he's understandably nervous about blowing up my Series 7 (43,000Km's on the clock)... so we've trodden as carefully as we can, and I've learnt to be patient

I've seriously considered going the Motec route, and with perfect 20/20 hindsight would probably have done that.... but the feature set of the E11 is extremely appealing, and I've had such a great run with the E9 on my '88 vert that I was loathe to move to another brand. That's life, I guess

I must say that if I had to rely on Haltech's help desk I would have given up long ago. I've emailed them about 6 times now, and have yet to receive a single reply, which is appalling. The only way to get any information out of them is to corner them with a phone call it seems..
And Matt (Hitman) has been a great source of information and inspiration - I wish I could afford to bring him over to sort the thing

If you can't find the firmware PM me and I'll email it to you.

 

So everyone recommends the Haltec E6k over the E11?

Jp

 

It depends on your patience and the resources at your disposal.

The E11 is clearly far superior, just not as simple to set up yet.

 

Dudes, all in all, if planning to purchase an E11, I think if you buy it from Matt (HITman) , he'll supply with as much support as necessary, of course it'll be in your best interests if yuh can get him to do the 'hands-on' tuning. I think the E6K does a pretty good job managing the 13B, but if going 3 or 4 rotor, then E11 is the better option.

 

no one really answered the question at hand... who has these for the best price? I've yet to purchase an ECU (since I sold my E6K) for my 20B... was gonna go the LTX12 route, but I am still pondering.

 

Tim at www.horsepowerinabox.com usually has the best prices, and is great to deal with....

Cheers,
Dave

 

My car appears ready (FINALLY!) for some serious final tuning.

Bryan Hester spent most of yesterday working on the car, and has it sounding really sweet!!

Most of the problems we'd been coming up against were NOT caused by the E11!!.

I'll put up a full report late rin the week, after the tuning.

 

I have got my E11 directly from Hitman right after release, http://www.horsepowerinabox.com or http://www.rpmperformancecentre.com.au would be other places to ask for best price.

 

FINALLY!! I have great news about the E11.

I picked my car up late Friday evening, and have been out at the track all weekend.

It made (almost!) 200RWKW on the Dyno, and is running as sweet as sugar.. The power curve is flat right up 7000RPM, and it pulls HARD!!

A very clever guy called Bryan Hester basically started from scratch with my install, removed the factory ECU completely (rather than piggy-backing as had been done previously), and I am absolutely delighted iwth the results.

Almost (if not) all my problems stemmed from the atrocious installation, not from the ECU.

If you have a good Installer available, then the E11 rocks!!!

 

Great to hear the good news!
I'm still waiting for the detailed report!


-Ted

 

Here is my 2 cents,

After being a Haltech dealer for 5 years now, and working mainly on rotaries i can honestly tell you that Haltech is the best bang for the buck. The E6K has done a wonderfull job and now with the E6X with the dual mapping features and additional inputs they've added makes for one great system.

As for the E11 it can roughly compare to the Motec's M4, with its full V8 sequential capability, O2 sensor inputs, and auxiliar inputs, making it a trully complete system.

As for pricing, well the E11 is going for around 1600 bucks complete and the E6X is going for around 1300 complete.

Complete means:
- Unit
- Wiring Harness
- All sensors (water and air temp, TPS, MAP)
- Instruction Manual and Software on CDrom and Paper
- Comunication cable
- Fully terminated harness option also available (all connetors, pins and heat shrink tubing on the harness done from the factory).

For more information please to go my site.

Later,

 

Also,

I should point out that i had my FC3S with the following:

- TO4E (a/r .60 compressor, a/r .70 turbine)
- Custom FMIC
- Haltech E6S controlling the factory coils with a trio of MSD 6A's
- Magnecore wires
- 3" Exhaust
- Dual HKS Blow off valves
- Street porting with 2mm factory apex seals
- 8.5 compression rotors
- 720cc primaries and 800cc secondaries
- Bosch fuel pressure regulator
- 93~ TT fuel pump

With this combination, moderate tuning and street spark plugs (which prooved to be the wrong plugs for 16psi and pump gas) the car did 323HP@16psi@6200RPM, and managed a 12.9@@118mph on 17" (340 treadware) 235/45 Good Year tires.

Haltech rules!

Later,