Mazda, listen up!!!
09-17-11, 09:05 PM
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Mazda, listen up!!!
I'm hoping that the Mazda factory guys read this page and in particular read this post. You guys have a new 16X coming out and people will want one. Chevy sells crate LS motors complete and all emissions legal for older hot rods. Ford does the same with the new Coyote. WE NEED AN EMISSIONS LEGAL CRATE MOTOR FROM THE FACTORY WHEN THE TIME COMES!!! If anyone else agrees, add a post.
09-18-11, 01:01 PM
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good luck.
you'll be lucky if we ever see anymore production rotary engines at all. if the 16X ever does actually make it to the assembly line, then like EVERY OTHER GODDAMN ENGINE MANUFACTURER ON THE PLANET! you will be able to purchase an engine over the counter.
if mazda actually did better R+D, moreso than placing a plastic fuel tank system wrapped around a scorching exhaust system, or stopped redesigning the apex sealing characteristics and used taller 2 piece seals, the engines would last longer, cars not burn to the ground and lower the fan turn on points the engines wouldn't cook themselves to death.
many of these issues are why mazda cannot make a profit with these engines, after seeing them run the wankel engine into the wall with the RX8 i don't think they can make the same mistakes again or even have the chance to.
1 step forward and 2 steps back, they did at least move the coolant seals back into the rotor housings with the renesis to cure the iron wall failures that the 2nd and 3rd gen owners are dealing with now. whoever is heading up their R+D department needs to retire.
i can just envision the issues they will have with a 100% aluminum cased larger engine....
but anyways, as for this thread. while mazda generally doesn't offer brand new engines, you can piece one together or purchase a remanufactured engine which uses generally brand new parts. just because the whole engine is not brand new doesn't compare it to a used, bored out piston engine with varying piston displacements across the board.
know why mazda doesn't sell brand new engines? because they only allocate enough builders to keep up with the demand of replacing warranty failed motors, which is actually rather high.
you'll be lucky if we ever see anymore production rotary engines at all. if the 16X ever does actually make it to the assembly line, then like EVERY OTHER GODDAMN ENGINE MANUFACTURER ON THE PLANET! you will be able to purchase an engine over the counter.
if mazda actually did better R+D, moreso than placing a plastic fuel tank system wrapped around a scorching exhaust system, or stopped redesigning the apex sealing characteristics and used taller 2 piece seals, the engines would last longer, cars not burn to the ground and lower the fan turn on points the engines wouldn't cook themselves to death.
many of these issues are why mazda cannot make a profit with these engines, after seeing them run the wankel engine into the wall with the RX8 i don't think they can make the same mistakes again or even have the chance to.
1 step forward and 2 steps back, they did at least move the coolant seals back into the rotor housings with the renesis to cure the iron wall failures that the 2nd and 3rd gen owners are dealing with now. whoever is heading up their R+D department needs to retire.
i can just envision the issues they will have with a 100% aluminum cased larger engine....
but anyways, as for this thread. while mazda generally doesn't offer brand new engines, you can piece one together or purchase a remanufactured engine which uses generally brand new parts. just because the whole engine is not brand new doesn't compare it to a used, bored out piston engine with varying piston displacements across the board.
know why mazda doesn't sell brand new engines? because they only allocate enough builders to keep up with the demand of replacing warranty failed motors, which is actually rather high.
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09-20-11, 05:41 PM
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previously mazda's license agreement with NSU prohibited them from selling new engines in north america. they had crate engines in japan, in both 2 rotor PP and 3 rotor PP configurations.
crate engine = engine+intake/exhaust/ignition/ecu
the engines built in the USA, by mazdausa are meant as stock replacements
crate engine = engine+intake/exhaust/ignition/ecu
the engines built in the USA, by mazdausa are meant as stock replacements
09-20-11, 06:01 PM
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crate engine means different things to different people. chevy crate engines were bare block with heads, that's it. a long block crate contained all accessories such as alt, p/s, wiring harness, injectors, etc.
then some others go to a different angle and consider upgraded engines to be "crate" motors.
but anyways, as i mentioned, i doubt you'll even see a 16X unless they manage to work it into a hybrid somehow.
then some others go to a different angle and consider upgraded engines to be "crate" motors.
but anyways, as i mentioned, i doubt you'll even see a 16X unless they manage to work it into a hybrid somehow.
09-27-11, 09:33 AM
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for the most part mazdacomp has always kept the good stuff for themselves and only offered misc bits for the true racers, leaving alot of the R+D in that aspect for us to figure out.
09-27-11, 10:47 AM
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Hey if you can't find a rotary just do an engine swap. We're lucky we have large engine bays. I think we will have rotary engine parts for a decent amount of time since people are doing great jobs on resurfacing housings and such. Advances in engine longevity should also help quite a bit. We are much better off than we were 10 years ago that's for sure.
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09-27-11, 12:05 PM
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I think I'm ok with 13B-MSP, it's not as bad some might think it is, sure it had some issues and some of them are just ... so obvious that we should ask Mazda "are you retarded?"
but b4 we bitch at Mazda, don't forget Mazda was under Ford's "moronic" control and they had limited funds and they hate Ford inside out.
That's probably why they start the SkyActiv Project just shortly after Ford sold majority of their shares, so none of the Technology goes to Ford.
all the known 13B-MSP engine issues has been resolved in the S2 version and so far it's running rock stable.
Mazda spent almost the same amount of R&D funds into the S2 RX-8 as the original S1, and their newer E-MOP is a completely new system (requires double the oil pressure for it to even work), so you know they will not give Rotary up easily.
Mazda got some of their "fix/patch" ideas from owners in the RX-8 community. For example, their Ignition system, their Water pump design, and some of the functional parts inside the car.
I was the one who made (forced) them to issue an extended warranty on the Clutch pedal, it's not engine related I know, but that bracket it's simply a piece of **** design ... funny thing is that Mazda can somehow just blame it on the assembly workers ... well, 8 yrs and 100K miles + a newer revision of the bracket are better than nothing I guess ?
16x will come out, but not now, Mazda already said that as long as their SkyActiv product line sells, Rotary Engine will continue. Understandable cuz Rotary Engine has been a niche product since the beginning and will stay like that in the next 10-20 years.
In this garbage economy, No mid size company like Mazda will ever take any serious risk. It's easy to commit a corporate suicide, just ask HP.
but b4 we bitch at Mazda, don't forget Mazda was under Ford's "moronic" control and they had limited funds and they hate Ford inside out.
That's probably why they start the SkyActiv Project just shortly after Ford sold majority of their shares, so none of the Technology goes to Ford.
all the known 13B-MSP engine issues has been resolved in the S2 version and so far it's running rock stable.
Mazda spent almost the same amount of R&D funds into the S2 RX-8 as the original S1, and their newer E-MOP is a completely new system (requires double the oil pressure for it to even work), so you know they will not give Rotary up easily.
Mazda got some of their "fix/patch" ideas from owners in the RX-8 community. For example, their Ignition system, their Water pump design, and some of the functional parts inside the car.
I was the one who made (forced) them to issue an extended warranty on the Clutch pedal, it's not engine related I know, but that bracket it's simply a piece of **** design ... funny thing is that Mazda can somehow just blame it on the assembly workers ... well, 8 yrs and 100K miles + a newer revision of the bracket are better than nothing I guess ?
16x will come out, but not now, Mazda already said that as long as their SkyActiv product line sells, Rotary Engine will continue. Understandable cuz Rotary Engine has been a niche product since the beginning and will stay like that in the next 10-20 years.
In this garbage economy, No mid size company like Mazda will ever take any serious risk. It's easy to commit a corporate suicide, just ask HP.
09-27-11, 12:22 PM
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except only we know what a rotary engine is. even in the videos only we know what they are showing us with those funky looking triangles, mazda isn't pushing the rotary engine with little flashes of gears moving and shafts spinning.
you think the lady driving the 8 listened to a word the salesman told her about the engine except that she liked the way the car felt while driving it? or the random people with all stock 8's who never even glance in the direction of a 7 because they don't know that it's in the same family nor do they probably even care?
there's only a few select people who choose to be diverse enough to care, once the 8's get old and tired those people will ****** them up and fix the design flaws. i personally see people buying them used for a pretty penny still only to be disappointed because of all the issues the cars are generating.
mazda simply dropped the ball with the 8 and the people are losing faith in the engine design. they will always have another shot with a brand new car with a rotary engine but it will cost them, and even more as the smog standards get stricter.
i wish mazda would produce something akin to the furai as most other manufacturers offer a true high end car, closest mazda has come was with the FD and that was their only rotary engine car during those years. imagine a 3/4 rotor prowling the streets, we have never had that sound in the united states to give people a true impression of the car or engine. the people had to come up with it on their own, making their own over priced e-shafts or importing the limited supply of 20B engines.
being a little frustruated seeing all these high end sports cars in vegas i am working on a 26B design with all mazda production parts(except the oiling system), modified of course. simply being a loud obnoxious turbocharged 2 rotor isn't good enough for me anymore, even 4 cylinder hondas are pushing out close to 1k horsepower these days.
while i don't mind how my car sounds it surely doesn't sound all that different from most modified cars even considering the engines are completely different. now listen to a sound clip of a spazmatic 3/4 rotor engine, it is attention getting, it makes you want to know what is generating that lovely sound, it makes you want to drive the car to feel what is driving it! the downside is they are fuel guzzling thirsty bishes, but so is any true performance oriented car. people pay extra to drive their shitty fake hummers all over the place still at $4/gallon..
mazda has had the ability to step it up to the next level for a long time, yet they choose not to.
on a side note, it is very difficult trying to get people's attention to getting the 8's to a specialty shop. because as i mentioned the majority of people simply won't recognize that the power plant is unique. there is several thousand 8's in this valley and the only ones who show up at the door are enthusiasts, the rest consider it a mode of transportation that looks and feels how they wanted. the amount of people who want to learn about the engine is dwindling over time regardless of how many are sold any longer.
if they want to continue the engine then they need to sell the engine, not the car. ironically the days of having a sticker that sais "Rotary Power" across the back of my truck are gone and converted to rotary embossed shifter and headrests that people cannot translate on their own.
hell i don't care, build a 3 rotor engine that has a switch to engage the third rotor and make sure people know what it means! i haven't looked into the new 16X rotors in detail but if they are aluminum then it is feasible.
you think the lady driving the 8 listened to a word the salesman told her about the engine except that she liked the way the car felt while driving it? or the random people with all stock 8's who never even glance in the direction of a 7 because they don't know that it's in the same family nor do they probably even care?
there's only a few select people who choose to be diverse enough to care, once the 8's get old and tired those people will ****** them up and fix the design flaws. i personally see people buying them used for a pretty penny still only to be disappointed because of all the issues the cars are generating.
mazda simply dropped the ball with the 8 and the people are losing faith in the engine design. they will always have another shot with a brand new car with a rotary engine but it will cost them, and even more as the smog standards get stricter.
i wish mazda would produce something akin to the furai as most other manufacturers offer a true high end car, closest mazda has come was with the FD and that was their only rotary engine car during those years. imagine a 3/4 rotor prowling the streets, we have never had that sound in the united states to give people a true impression of the car or engine. the people had to come up with it on their own, making their own over priced e-shafts or importing the limited supply of 20B engines.
being a little frustruated seeing all these high end sports cars in vegas i am working on a 26B design with all mazda production parts(except the oiling system), modified of course. simply being a loud obnoxious turbocharged 2 rotor isn't good enough for me anymore, even 4 cylinder hondas are pushing out close to 1k horsepower these days.
while i don't mind how my car sounds it surely doesn't sound all that different from most modified cars even considering the engines are completely different. now listen to a sound clip of a spazmatic 3/4 rotor engine, it is attention getting, it makes you want to know what is generating that lovely sound, it makes you want to drive the car to feel what is driving it! the downside is they are fuel guzzling thirsty bishes, but so is any true performance oriented car. people pay extra to drive their shitty fake hummers all over the place still at $4/gallon..
mazda has had the ability to step it up to the next level for a long time, yet they choose not to.
on a side note, it is very difficult trying to get people's attention to getting the 8's to a specialty shop. because as i mentioned the majority of people simply won't recognize that the power plant is unique. there is several thousand 8's in this valley and the only ones who show up at the door are enthusiasts, the rest consider it a mode of transportation that looks and feels how they wanted. the amount of people who want to learn about the engine is dwindling over time regardless of how many are sold any longer.
if they want to continue the engine then they need to sell the engine, not the car. ironically the days of having a sticker that sais "Rotary Power" across the back of my truck are gone and converted to rotary embossed shifter and headrests that people cannot translate on their own.
hell i don't care, build a 3 rotor engine that has a switch to engage the third rotor and make sure people know what it means! i haven't looked into the new 16X rotors in detail but if they are aluminum then it is feasible.
Last edited by RotaryEvolution; 09-27-11 at 12:47 PM.
09-27-11, 12:56 PM
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except only we know what a rotary engine is. even in the videos only we know what they are showing us with those funky looking triangles, mazda isn't pushing the rotary engine with little flashes of gears moving and shafts spinning.
you think the lady driving the 8 listened to a word the salesman told her about the engine except that she liked the way the car felt while driving it? or the random people with all stock 8's who never even glance in the direction of a 7 because they don't know that it's in the same family nor do they probably even care?
there's only a few select people who choose to be diverse enough to care, once the 8's get old and tired those people will ****** them up and fix the design flaws. i personally see people buying them used for a pretty penny still only to be disappointed because of all the issues the cars are generating.
mazda simply dropped the ball with the 8 and the people are losing faith in the engine design. they will always have another shot with a brand new car with a rotary engine but it will cost them, and even more as the smog standards get stricter.
i wish mazda would produce something akin to the furai as most other manufacturers offer a true high end car, closest mazda has come was with the FD and that was their only rotary engine car during those years. imagine a 3/4 rotor prowling the streets, we have never had that sound in the united states to give people a true impression of the car or engine. the people had to come up with it on their own, making their own over priced e-shafts or importing the limited supply of 20B engines.
being a little frustruated seeing all these high end sports cars in vegas i am working on a 26B design with all mazda production parts(except the oiling system), modified of course. simply being a loud obnoxious turbocharged 2 rotor isn't good enough for me anymore, even 4 cylinder hondas are pushing out close to 1k horsepower these days.
while i don't mind how my car sounds it surely doesn't sound all that different from most modified cars even considering the engines are completely different. now listen to a sound clip of a spazmatic 3/4 rotor engine, it is attention getting, it makes you want to know what is generating that lovely sound, it makes you want to drive the car to feel what is driving it! the downside is they are fuel guzzling thirsty bishes, but so is any true performance oriented car. people pay extra to drive their shitty fake hummers all over the place still at $4/gallon..
mazda has had the ability to step it up to the next level for a long time, yet they choose not to.
on a side note, it is very difficult trying to get people's attention to getting the 8's to a specialty shop. because as i mentioned the majority of people simply won't recognize that the power plant is unique. there is several thousand 8's in this valley and the only ones who show up at the door are enthusiasts, the rest consider it a mode of transportation that looks and feels how they wanted. the amount of people who want to learn about the engine is dwindling over time regardless of how many are sold any longer.
if they want to continue the engine then they need to sell the engine, not the car.
you think the lady driving the 8 listened to a word the salesman told her about the engine except that she liked the way the car felt while driving it? or the random people with all stock 8's who never even glance in the direction of a 7 because they don't know that it's in the same family nor do they probably even care?
there's only a few select people who choose to be diverse enough to care, once the 8's get old and tired those people will ****** them up and fix the design flaws. i personally see people buying them used for a pretty penny still only to be disappointed because of all the issues the cars are generating.
mazda simply dropped the ball with the 8 and the people are losing faith in the engine design. they will always have another shot with a brand new car with a rotary engine but it will cost them, and even more as the smog standards get stricter.
i wish mazda would produce something akin to the furai as most other manufacturers offer a true high end car, closest mazda has come was with the FD and that was their only rotary engine car during those years. imagine a 3/4 rotor prowling the streets, we have never had that sound in the united states to give people a true impression of the car or engine. the people had to come up with it on their own, making their own over priced e-shafts or importing the limited supply of 20B engines.
being a little frustruated seeing all these high end sports cars in vegas i am working on a 26B design with all mazda production parts(except the oiling system), modified of course. simply being a loud obnoxious turbocharged 2 rotor isn't good enough for me anymore, even 4 cylinder hondas are pushing out close to 1k horsepower these days.
while i don't mind how my car sounds it surely doesn't sound all that different from most modified cars even considering the engines are completely different. now listen to a sound clip of a spazmatic 3/4 rotor engine, it is attention getting, it makes you want to know what is generating that lovely sound, it makes you want to drive the car to feel what is driving it! the downside is they are fuel guzzling thirsty bishes, but so is any true performance oriented car. people pay extra to drive their shitty fake hummers all over the place still at $4/gallon..
mazda has had the ability to step it up to the next level for a long time, yet they choose not to.
on a side note, it is very difficult trying to get people's attention to getting the 8's to a specialty shop. because as i mentioned the majority of people simply won't recognize that the power plant is unique. there is several thousand 8's in this valley and the only ones who show up at the door are enthusiasts, the rest consider it a mode of transportation that looks and feels how they wanted. the amount of people who want to learn about the engine is dwindling over time regardless of how many are sold any longer.
if they want to continue the engine then they need to sell the engine, not the car.
To most people, they just want a car that takes them from Point A to Point B, and I won't blame them. there are so many things in life To be cared about and everybody's priority is different.
First thing they look for is how many "Cylinders" are there? 4?6? 8 ? 10123401823 ?
When they see "2 Rotor" They be like "wtf? oh 2 Cylinder? f-outa here" and they just walk off. I'm serious I saw that **** happen in a dealership.
Most people have no idea how Rotary engine actually works. some never even heard of it, even people who sells them (try to get a salesman in Mazda dealership to explain how Rotary Engine works, he will always tell you some funky **** that you will just rofl)
just couple months ago I was at DMV trying to update the name on my registration, I noticed my 8's Cylinder is "4" when it's supposed to be "0" and I bought my car new so dumbass at the dealership messed this up.
I filled the form out, put "0" in the Cylinder box. gave it to that "young lady" behind the counter. She noticed the "0" Cylinder part and start asking :
"How many Cylinder does your car have?"
"It's Rotary Engine, it has no Cylinders"
"Well as far as I KNOW(with a higher pitch tone) ALL ENGINE HAS CYLINDERS"
In my mind I was like ok bitch, I know cars better than ur entire pathetic life will ever be and u tried to lecture me?
So I raise my voice and said :
"WELL YEA A PISTON ENGINE HAS CYLINDERS, IT'S A ROTARY ENGINE SO IT HAS NO CYLINDERS"
then the guy at the next counter probably heard my voice and start asking
"What car does he have ?"
the bitch was like "RX8"
"Oh that car yea he is right that engine has no cylinder just put 0 in the computer it will accept it"
That's right bitch, customer is always right. and you do what I say, bitch.
my "experience" just shows how stupid people can be, even people who sells them and/or who deals with their paper work every single day.
Furai looks really good, but it will never be a production car cuz it simply doesn't make sense for 99% of the people. Mazda is a company, they're here to make money, sure you can say Just sell Furai at 300K.
but who would buy a "Mazda's 300K halo car that's loud like standing next to a 777 and has no AC, no leather seat, etc ?"
if Mazda is as big as Toyota, then they can do something like that, Toyota/Lexus already said they're losing mad money on LFA, but they just do it cuz "they can", we might be losing millions on LFA project but we have couple tens if not hundred million Camry in sales to cover the cost.
Mazda is trying to do the same thing so if the SkyActiv catches on, expect them to release the next Rotary right away.
(cuz if what they've been telling the public is true, which is they already resolved 2 out of 3 fundamental issues with Rotary engine, then it should be a piece of cake.)
09-27-11, 01:02 PM
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you would be surprised.
i pass about 5 cars worth over $200k a week on my trip to and from work. usually i try to avoid them because my insurance won't even cover a scratch on their fender. they could surely sell them if they produced them.
but you're right, almost no one knows what a rotary engine is and that there is such a thing as a car without any "cylinders".
the days of fast rotaries laying the smack down on heavy V8's is over, so people asking questions about the engine is long gone. you might beat some kid in an integra who is curious but after explanation and his short term memory loss from too much pot kicks in and they still don't know anything about it aside from that it is a different engine than theirs. only friends of rotary owners usually have a clue, since we talk about it all the time.
yea we can still squeeze out 1k horsepower from a tiny block but i can't envision things going much father than this.
perhaps i don't help things, when asked how many cylinders my car has i usually just make up a number to avoid having to explain the whole thing to someone who looks like they won't get it anyways.
i pass about 5 cars worth over $200k a week on my trip to and from work. usually i try to avoid them because my insurance won't even cover a scratch on their fender. they could surely sell them if they produced them.
but you're right, almost no one knows what a rotary engine is and that there is such a thing as a car without any "cylinders".
the days of fast rotaries laying the smack down on heavy V8's is over, so people asking questions about the engine is long gone. you might beat some kid in an integra who is curious but after explanation and his short term memory loss from too much pot kicks in and they still don't know anything about it aside from that it is a different engine than theirs. only friends of rotary owners usually have a clue, since we talk about it all the time.
yea we can still squeeze out 1k horsepower from a tiny block but i can't envision things going much father than this.
perhaps i don't help things, when asked how many cylinders my car has i usually just make up a number to avoid having to explain the whole thing to someone who looks like they won't get it anyways.
Last edited by RotaryEvolution; 09-27-11 at 01:09 PM.
09-27-11, 01:10 PM
#12
In NY, there are so many people who can't drive for **** (which explains why NY has one of the HIGHEST insurance rate) with overrated/overpriced cars. Especially those bitches in their Escalate. So I carry a pretty high insurance just to be sure I'm covered ... cuz sometimes you never know when will one of these blind fuxks will hit you ... (already got 4 accidents over the past 4 years ... NONE of which were even my fault)
but you're right, almost no one knows what a rotary engine is and that there is such a thing as a car without any "cylinders".
the days of fast rotaries laying the smack down on heavy V8's is over, so people asking questions about the engine is long gone.
the days of fast rotaries laying the smack down on heavy V8's is over, so people asking questions about the engine is long gone.
yea we can still squeeze out 1k horsepower from a tiny block but i can't envision things going much father than this.
perhaps i don't help things, when asked how many cylinders my car has i usually just make up a number to avoid having to explain the whole thing to someone who looks like they won't get it anyways.
perhaps i don't help things, when asked how many cylinders my car has i usually just make up a number to avoid having to explain the whole thing to someone who looks like they won't get it anyways.
16X 2 rotor should have no problem reaching 300 hp, they changed the e-shaft offset a bit so the torque should be better. it will stay as side port cuz it can cut emission by 50%. and other updates. hmm. it should be good.
speaking of the side ports, damn those casting marks are ugly, too bad they don't port/polish it a bit at factory, side port sucks for flow and every little bit helps ...
Every single time someone ask me about Cylinders, I told them straight up it's Rotary, no cylinders. how does it work you ask? go to Mazdausa.com. That's my answer, it always works.
09-27-11, 01:25 PM
#15
plenty of blown up rotaries pushing alot less horsepower too.. lol. i won't even get into the bad name that the engines have gotten due to the idiots putting them together. every car i work on has an issue somewhere with improper maintenance or modification.
09-27-11, 01:48 PM
#16
IMO, Mazda needs to come out with a higher dollar flagship rotary powered car to get their name and the engines rep back out to the public. Look at what Nissan has done with the GTR. Love it or hate it, the GTR has done wonders for nissans marketing. When you see it in every magazine and every online video comparison going toe to toe with ZR1s and GT2s, that gets people talking. The RX8 is a good car, but with a niche engine that may need special care and maintenance, it belongs in a lower volume niche vehicle where owners will understand it and take care of it more.
We all love Ferraris here I assume, and let say they could cram their little V8 into a "normal" car and sell it for 35k. Sure, enthusiasts would be foaming at the mouth.. but the normal person that buys the car not knowing about the engine would have a **** fit at the first scheduled maintenance where they want $7k for a valve adjustment, etc.. Probably not an apples to apples example, but you get the point.
We all love Ferraris here I assume, and let say they could cram their little V8 into a "normal" car and sell it for 35k. Sure, enthusiasts would be foaming at the mouth.. but the normal person that buys the car not knowing about the engine would have a **** fit at the first scheduled maintenance where they want $7k for a valve adjustment, etc.. Probably not an apples to apples example, but you get the point.
09-27-11, 01:51 PM
#17
Furai looks really good, but it will never be a production car cuz it simply doesn't make sense for 99% of the people. Mazda is a company, they're here to make money, sure you can say Just sell Furai at 300K.
but who would buy a "Mazda's 300K halo car that's loud like standing next to a 777 and has no AC, no leather seat, etc ?"
but who would buy a "Mazda's 300K halo car that's loud like standing next to a 777 and has no AC, no leather seat, etc ?"
09-27-11, 01:58 PM
#18
i wouldn't say tons, but that 1% is still 1%. a small market for a very high end sports car for people who have the money to buy that attention.
know how many people i pass driving corvettes granny style at 25MPH in a 35 zone in their $50k car just for attention? too many to count on a weekly basis, it's disgusting. i be sure to pull in front of them and give them a nice carbon diesel cloud in the slower than slow mercedes.
know how many people i pass driving corvettes granny style at 25MPH in a 35 zone in their $50k car just for attention? too many to count on a weekly basis, it's disgusting. i be sure to pull in front of them and give them a nice carbon diesel cloud in the slower than slow mercedes.
Last edited by RotaryEvolution; 09-27-11 at 02:00 PM.
09-27-11, 03:18 PM
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IMO, Mazda needs to come out with a higher dollar flagship rotary powered car to get their name and the engines rep back out to the public. Look at what Nissan has done with the GTR. Love it or hate it, the GTR has done wonders for nissans marketing. When you see it in every magazine and every online video comparison going toe to toe with ZR1s and GT2s, that gets people talking. The RX8 is a good car, but with a niche engine that may need special care and maintenance, it belongs in a lower volume niche vehicle where owners will understand it and take care of it more.
We all love Ferraris here I assume, and let say they could cram their little V8 into a "normal" car and sell it for 35k. Sure, enthusiasts would be foaming at the mouth.. but the normal person that buys the car not knowing about the engine would have a **** fit at the first scheduled maintenance where they want $7k for a valve adjustment, etc.. Probably not an apples to apples example, but you get the point.
We all love Ferraris here I assume, and let say they could cram their little V8 into a "normal" car and sell it for 35k. Sure, enthusiasts would be foaming at the mouth.. but the normal person that buys the car not knowing about the engine would have a **** fit at the first scheduled maintenance where they want $7k for a valve adjustment, etc.. Probably not an apples to apples example, but you get the point.
Do they want to try again? sure, but absolutely NOT at this time.
I don't love Ferraris, I don't mind to have one, but would I buy one? no, even if I have the money, cuz I think it's overrated.
09-27-11, 03:25 PM
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Hey if you can't find a rotary just do an engine swap. We're lucky we have large engine bays. I think we will have rotary engine parts for a decent amount of time since people are doing great jobs on resurfacing housings and such. Advances in engine longevity should also help quite a bit. We are much better off than we were 10 years ago that's for sure.
09-27-11, 04:04 PM
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and people do pay $100k for average name cars like jaguar, chevrolet and even dodge. take a look at the Dodge Prowler for example, people were paying $75k for a standard mass produced 3.5L engine in a hand built "roadster" chassis. granted the Prowler was a low production run and only produced for one year, the Viper has obviously had some success and marked up to $75-100k in most cases and doing well for almost 20 years now. the Nissan GTR is also upwards of $75k after markups closer to $90k and were sold out before even arriving.
you will only see a select few cars in the $150k+ range which include Ferraris, Lambos, AMG, Jaguar, Bugatti, Bentley, Rolls, etc.
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