FD vs Lambo
 

Can you modify an FD so that it will beat a Lambo on a 10second run?

Not to be an ass but with enough money I can modify a prius to do that.

agreed

what you pay for with cars like that, is the fact that they do make 500+hp, but they do it in full street trim, and they they are put together by hand, and with exotic materials

which basically means they never actually work

most of my customers are based in the exotic markets, and it is a well known fact that lambos, ferraris, maseratis, etc.. are in the repair shop more than their in the owners garage

to get an FD to beat any of those in stock form doesnt really take too much...properly invest between $5-$7k and you'll beat them on drag strip and on the track :icon_tup:

i can tell you that my car before i started my build would pull 2 car lengths on Gallardos all day :icon_tup:

the best part is seeing their reaction when our little $15k rice rockets made in Hiroshima make their $200k Italian "super cars" look like they're parked on the highway loll :lol:

yes...

Basically you need about 450-500rwhp to run down a gallardo from a dig and keep your ground til whenever you shut down.

Which gallardo? There's many models.

all of them are over 500 and weigh about 3300lbs but since most owners opt for the paddle shifters, you need to be a great driver to get one off the line.

The fastest one is the lp560-4 which runs 11.2 stock. You can look up the specs on the model you want to run.

Rich kids from Florida and Texas have their gallardos twin turbo'ed. Easily exceeding 1100awhp.

Absolutely no joke.

If you're talking about reliability, that's just a longer stretch of how owners treat those cars, and how owners treat our cars.

Those cars are much more sophisticated. Much less idiot proof. Engines have extreme tight clearances. The average Joe will inevitably send the car to the garage from the misuse.

There are also many of the ugr gallardos being daily driven with no problems.

don't mean to thread jack, but what do you do for a living?

not to be a buzz kill but this is all good until you go up against those gallardo's from underground racing making 1500whp. They are making a trap speed at the texas mile above 250mph. I truly have to question what it would take to get our cars to do that and still have a car that can be driven to and from the event with full interior. of course if we had the same budget those guy have it might be a bit more conceivable.

"Speed is a question of money... How fast can you go?"
-Mad Max

Yes, you can build a cardboard box to be faster, but how much do you want to spend?

If money is no object, there's no way a 13b engine can match a V12 lambo. The platform your starting with is just on a different level.

If the lambo is stock, sure you can catch one and it's not that hard. But modded lambo vs modded FD, no contest.

4rotor

my thoughts exactly...a fully built 4 Rotor turbo will surpass any Lambo V12 turbo, and will cost less as well

gas mileage won't be as good as the lambo though lol :lol:

the problem is that the lambo is AWD and able to put the power to the ground. the lambo has superior aerodynamics for a higher top speed. while I think the fd has a lower coefficent of drag. The lambo has spent more time in wind tunnel testing not to mention 15-20 years newer technology. It does have some drag in the form of downforce. To my knowledge no fd has gone over 230mph in any given distance while they have taken the lambos to 250+ in a standing mile with full interior and all the ammenitites from the factory. I suppose with the right money it may be possible but even with a turbocharged 4 rotor peripheral ported motor, paddle shift trans that can handle the rpm's and power you still have to get traction and not go air born. It only seems like it could be equalled with a full blown race car fd. However it would be great if it could be done in a streetable car.

AWD is NOT a benifit in a race... How many F1 cars are AWD? How many Leman cars are AWD?

4 rotors? Didn't a 4 rotor machine blow the doors off all the cars back in 91?

Correct me if I'm wrong on my assumtions!

If the sky is the limit for BOTH cars the rotor will win as long as fuel millage is not a factor. Power to weight is almost unparralled. (save maybe two stroke or turbine machines)


EDIT: hehe Took a look back at the OP... 10seconds... But the point remains the same; drag cars are RWD. half the transaxles half the transmission.

I will be happy to correct you. If you plan on making 1500whp, AWD is an advantage. it is litterally twice the contact patch. ex- if you run 280mm wide tires and you are using a 2wd car you have 560mm off contact if you run the same tires on all corners and its AWD you now have 1120mm of contact. to get the same in a rear whell drive car you will need two 560mm wide tires (dragster slicks) and it would have to be tubbed. They get the same amount of contact surface in factory trim . In response to your question about formula 1. Formula 1 cars will not make the speeds the twin turbo gallardos are making either. The lack of power in f1 cars in comparrison to a 1500whp gallardo also helps with traction. Not to mention preheated slcks that are chenged thorughout an event and of course the aerodynamic engineering that goes into an F1 car probably has similar amounts of product development time as most air superiority fighters. Yes while the 4 rotor 787b won the 24 hours of lemans in 1991. Technology has changed a bit in the last 21 years would you say? I love that car and the motor but, I question how well It could do today in comparison to todays technology. also turbo prop engines really don't make much power for their weight and really their fuel economy is appauling. The fact that they dont like large fluctuation in rpms means that they wont work well for anything other than stop and wide open throttle. hence why they are used for aircraft. The concept cars that were made in the past never worked well and often had such high egt's they had issues with the exhaust igniting parts of the car and debris in the road. two stroke motors are light but I doubt you will be finding them out of any vehicle that is able to make those numbers that weighs in as light as current autmotive engines. I love the rotaries I won't give up on trying to make mine everything it can be. but we do have to look at facts guys. Either we start making considerably more power than we are, find a way to get more traction, use some extreme engineering to lighten and bring the aerodynamics up to the cut with current day super cars or just learn that there is a reason why they are called "super cars". They cost the reason that they do for more than exclusivity. these cars have a better platform from the factory. which is understandable considering they are about 15+ years newer and cost more than 8 times the price of our cars when they rolled off the assembly line new in 1992. on the other hand though if you consider the price diffference. A new gallardo is around 250k out the door and around another 110k to get it to the 1500whp range. with 360k in an fd im pretty sure we could match it though.

a stock 7 can take a lambo easy cuz the lambo just gonna set itself on fire
https://www.google.com/search?q=lambo+fire

lol

The ALMS 3Rotor Rx8 are doing really well. I don't think there are any 4rotors racing any major event though :/

if money is no factor, there is no replacement for displacement.

I usually hate that saying, but when money isn't a factor, and you can build whatever turbo setup you want, a big V12 will outperform a 13b

Lol @ the replies here.

Sorry a 4 rotor swap isn't cheap first of all.

And to get to the power levels of a twin Turbo gallardo you need to Turbo that as well.

Which will end up costing much more. I would estimate upwards of 100k with all supporting mods, suspension brakes etc. And including the price of the car.

Then you still have to battle longevity, reliability, and MPG.

Then you have to battle traction and aerodynamics.

Remember the racing beat fd? That flipped @ 215mph?

A stock gallardo can do 200mph without breaking a sweat.

With more Aero parts more power and its awd, it will blow virtually any fd away.

Facts are facts.

easy, put a twin turbo SBC into your 7.

Just get a lambo so you can race other lambos.... FD is fun on road courses, a well setup FD with a solid driver will be able to handle a Lambo in the twisties.

If they are both doing 10 second runs.... they are obviously equally fast.

There is an FD on the club that broke into the 10's with around 400whp. Obviously an great driver with a sorted setup.

Drag racing for the car is 3 things.... power, weight, traction.

But I bet it would be sooo satisfying to beat a TT lambo in a Rx7

Anything is possible with the right kinda coinage bro

http://youtu.be/2dp_QKdQwdY


One of the greatest races ever watch the end they literally break apart the track.

Can you elaborate on what 5k-7k mods would take a stock FD to this point and what your setup was prior to your build? Sounds like a lot of fun :icon_tup:

i think my 7 could take a lambo from a roll from the dig not so much my rear end i clunking so hard i bet that shit would break off the line lmao

I beg to differ buffRX7 ^^^

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFw3N...p_dkVmVYtUw%3D

Thats suppose to be 1500hp.....id cry if I were him.

All I offer is the truth. Follow me and I'll show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.

http://youtu.be/ybPYjU1Be_M

Thats also an h-pattern 6spd on street tires.

If you're gonna discredit the car, at least state other facts.

It also became the first gallaro do get into the 9s. And can trap over 150mph.

Either way i sense strong jealousy over a car none of us will ever own. At least admire what the people who do own them, do to them.

Its amazing.

Sigh always assuming ^. Zzzz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BwIniaHIUE

Cant remember if its this car or not, but they have seen 170mph traps since this video, I believe the fastest was 177

Lambos use a Haldex AWD system. Some of the UGR cars are converted to RWD because the viscous coupling cannot handle the torque and will simply burn up. No one knows the actual power limit of the AWD system but most who have the Stage 1 and 2 cars keep the AWD system intact since there is no issue, but those that are 3 and 4 tend to be converted to RWD because they've seen the system burn up. Some say that making more than 1000hp, the system become useless.



I dont know if you guys follow Robert Himler, but he daily drives his green TTG, his two GTRs and his new Mucielago. He's never mentioned anything about "being in the shop more than in the garage" because it spends more time on the streets than either

A Gallardo without any mods dynos around 440-460hp..... i've even seen them dyno around 380hp in higher altitudes and even some miscalculated dynos.

A 450hp FD vs a stock G would be a good race with the FD getting the win due to its lighter weight.

I did 469 on a mustang dyno bro I got a lambo from a roll fact!!!!

I'm talking about a stock one not a 1500hp one

I've beat cobras with 550 who

Lol nice. Yeah I've seen some of Rob's vids. That car is absolutely nuts off a roll.

Let's jus all combine funds & get a 4rotor w/ sequential clutchless paddle shifters ROFL, could be a lambo killer...in my car of course heh heh

if a heavy ass 350z with 420whp could beat a lambo i would destroy it with my car

Interesting, isn't this the equivalent of an FD with something like 350 whp?

the TT lambos look decent once they are moving but the drivetrain can't handle launches, that is partially where races are won and lost.

depending on what kind of racing you are doing. It seems to me that this is mainly a consideration of street racing. Which it seems like these days is done from a roll for the most part. I've get to say this is pretty ridiculous.

http://youtu.be/GeJceZ8gJdw

most street races are from a roll, most real documented races are still on the 1/4 mile where no one can claim false starts, weather, traffic, etc, etc, etc.

Owner of that car is local to me and I see it running around all the time with the parachute attached to the back now. That vid is really old and the car traps over 160mph now. Still has a nice cold AC, is quiet and doesnt smoke or stink. I am about as big a fan of the FD as it gets, but I can realize when another car is leaps and bounds ahead of the fd.

You would need a 900-1000rwhp FD to trap 160s, it most likely would not have AC and you damn sure wouldnt drive it often or more than 50 miles at a time. The Gen 3 vipers and Lambos that come out of UGR are unreal. The real treat is the Gen 3 Vipers that trap 160+ on PUMP GAS(126 in the 1/8th).:nod:

why is everyone so fixated on that twin turbo lambo....this is about lambos not the fast lambo on earth......99.9 percent of the lambos you find on the road will NOT have a turbo and will be stock i thought thats what we are talking about fuck the turbo one who cares

i don't know either, those TT lambos have well over $200k into them. you could have a 3 rotor turbo pushing about the same level for less.

Wow, the fanboys really came out for this one! Lol

Bottom line: The hand built sports cars that cost $200k plus, and are using modern technology, are better cars than the sports car that cost you $12k and is using 20 year old technology.

This doesn't mean that you need to take less pride in your car than they do in theirs. But denying that those purpose-built works of art are better than your baby is just ignorant and silly.