Anyone with a 600+ HP Setup???
12-30-01, 11:15 AM
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Originally posted by SPOautos
Ok, now I'm interesting in this group buy if it get under the $1500 mark.
I have a question about the self mapping. How accurate is this? Is it so good that I wouldn't worry about dyno tuning? How does it work? You just enter in the a/f by rmp and it controls the fuel and spark to meet the needs?
I've never delt with a self tuning computer so I'm not sure how it works.....could you give just a general idea of how it would be used everyday and how accurate it is? I'm sure you guys have dyno tested the self mapping to see how accurate it is. Will it map for any set up? If I upgraded to a big single down the road will it remap on its own real easy or what?
Jason, thanks for all the input.
Later,
STEPHEN
Ok, now I'm interesting in this group buy if it get under the $1500 mark.
I have a question about the self mapping. How accurate is this? Is it so good that I wouldn't worry about dyno tuning? How does it work? You just enter in the a/f by rmp and it controls the fuel and spark to meet the needs?
I've never delt with a self tuning computer so I'm not sure how it works.....could you give just a general idea of how it would be used everyday and how accurate it is? I'm sure you guys have dyno tested the self mapping to see how accurate it is. Will it map for any set up? If I upgraded to a big single down the road will it remap on its own real easy or what?
Jason, thanks for all the input.
Later,
STEPHEN
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12-30-01, 12:12 PM
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So then what would you reccomend as the best way to initially set up the computer? Would you install the computer then have it dyno tuned for a good base map, then at that point the computer knows where its starting from and can auto tune as long as you have a wide band?
Here is my concern, i currenty have a Power FC and have to send it to XS for tuning. I dont have convenient access to any good dyno tuners. I'm hoping the AEM computer can eliminate the need for dyno tuning. If it still requires a dyno tune I'd be better off with a Power FC (as far as tuning is concerned) since I can send it off and have it tuned in 2-3 days for alot less money than a dyno would cost. They charge $150 to tune my Power FC for my spacific mods and boost level. The tuning xs does is not quite as accurate as a dyno tune but it is a good safe tune that I dont have to worry about or mess with.
I'm wanting to know what difference your computer will make to me, as far as tuning is concerned. If I have to initially dyno tune and buy a wide band and laptop for the auto tune feature its going to get real expensive real fast. I just want to make sure what all I would need to have a computer that can tune itself as I add new mods or go single turbo. I'd hate to buy one then realize I needed another $2K worth of stuff to make it do what I'm looking for.
Oh yea, last question for now......I have access to a laptop that I can borrow from work but I cant keep it all the time. Would the self tuning work where I can run the laptop in the car for however long is needed letting the computer build a good map then take out the computer and it runs that same map untill I change it again?
I hope all these question are not to botherson, I'll probably have more as I think about it
Thanks for the input,
STEPHEN
Here is my concern, i currenty have a Power FC and have to send it to XS for tuning. I dont have convenient access to any good dyno tuners. I'm hoping the AEM computer can eliminate the need for dyno tuning. If it still requires a dyno tune I'd be better off with a Power FC (as far as tuning is concerned) since I can send it off and have it tuned in 2-3 days for alot less money than a dyno would cost. They charge $150 to tune my Power FC for my spacific mods and boost level. The tuning xs does is not quite as accurate as a dyno tune but it is a good safe tune that I dont have to worry about or mess with.
I'm wanting to know what difference your computer will make to me, as far as tuning is concerned. If I have to initially dyno tune and buy a wide band and laptop for the auto tune feature its going to get real expensive real fast. I just want to make sure what all I would need to have a computer that can tune itself as I add new mods or go single turbo. I'd hate to buy one then realize I needed another $2K worth of stuff to make it do what I'm looking for.
Oh yea, last question for now......I have access to a laptop that I can borrow from work but I cant keep it all the time. Would the self tuning work where I can run the laptop in the car for however long is needed letting the computer build a good map then take out the computer and it runs that same map untill I change it again?
I hope all these question are not to botherson, I'll probably have more as I think about it
Thanks for the input,
STEPHEN
12-30-01, 12:52 PM
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Originally posted by SPOautos
So then what would you reccomend as the best way to initially set up the computer? Would you install the computer then have it dyno tuned for a good base map, then at that point the computer knows where its starting from and can auto tune as long as you have a wide band?
Here is my concern, i currenty have a Power FC and have to send it to XS for tuning. I dont have convenient access to any good dyno tuners. I'm hoping the AEM computer can eliminate the need for dyno tuning. If it still requires a dyno tune I'd be better off with a Power FC (as far as tuning is concerned) since I can send it off and have it tuned in 2-3 days for alot less money than a dyno would cost. They charge $150 to tune my Power FC for my spacific mods and boost level. The tuning xs does is not quite as accurate as a dyno tune but it is a good safe tune that I dont have to worry about or mess with.
I'm wanting to know what difference your computer will make to me, as far as tuning is concerned. If I have to initially dyno tune and buy a wide band and laptop for the auto tune feature its going to get real expensive real fast. I just want to make sure what all I would need to have a computer that can tune itself as I add new mods or go single turbo. I'd hate to buy one then realize I needed another $2K worth of stuff to make it do what I'm looking for.
Oh yea, last question for now......I have access to a laptop that I can borrow from work but I cant keep it all the time. Would the self tuning work where I can run the laptop in the car for however long is needed letting the computer build a good map then take out the computer and it runs that same map untill I change it again?
I hope all these question are not to botherson, I'll probably have more as I think about it
Thanks for the input,
STEPHEN
So then what would you reccomend as the best way to initially set up the computer? Would you install the computer then have it dyno tuned for a good base map, then at that point the computer knows where its starting from and can auto tune as long as you have a wide band?
Here is my concern, i currenty have a Power FC and have to send it to XS for tuning. I dont have convenient access to any good dyno tuners. I'm hoping the AEM computer can eliminate the need for dyno tuning. If it still requires a dyno tune I'd be better off with a Power FC (as far as tuning is concerned) since I can send it off and have it tuned in 2-3 days for alot less money than a dyno would cost. They charge $150 to tune my Power FC for my spacific mods and boost level. The tuning xs does is not quite as accurate as a dyno tune but it is a good safe tune that I dont have to worry about or mess with.
I'm wanting to know what difference your computer will make to me, as far as tuning is concerned. If I have to initially dyno tune and buy a wide band and laptop for the auto tune feature its going to get real expensive real fast. I just want to make sure what all I would need to have a computer that can tune itself as I add new mods or go single turbo. I'd hate to buy one then realize I needed another $2K worth of stuff to make it do what I'm looking for.
Oh yea, last question for now......I have access to a laptop that I can borrow from work but I cant keep it all the time. Would the self tuning work where I can run the laptop in the car for however long is needed letting the computer build a good map then take out the computer and it runs that same map untill I change it again?
I hope all these question are not to botherson, I'll probably have more as I think about it
Thanks for the input,
STEPHEN
Hope this helps
Jason.
12-30-01, 08:04 PM
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Hey, Jason. My brother has a '93 FD with an automatic and stock turbos, ported engine(Atkins), 1200cc injectors, racing fuel pump, large SMIC, dp, mp, catback and a PFS PMC set for 11-13-15psi boost. It spins the tire in 1st gear at 11psi and 3krpms. Will your AEM ECU work with an automatic and what will this do for him over the PFS PMC????????
Ken
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12-30-01, 11:41 PM
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Originally posted by LUV94RX7
Hey, Jason. My brother has a '93 FD with an automatic and stock turbos, ported engine(Atkins), 1200cc injectors, racing fuel pump, large SMIC, dp, mp, catback and a PFS PMC set for 11-13-15psi boost. It spins the tire in 1st gear at 11psi and 3krpms. Will your AEM ECU work with an automatic and what will this do for him over the PFS PMC????????
Ken
Hey, Jason. My brother has a '93 FD with an automatic and stock turbos, ported engine(Atkins), 1200cc injectors, racing fuel pump, large SMIC, dp, mp, catback and a PFS PMC set for 11-13-15psi boost. It spins the tire in 1st gear at 11psi and 3krpms. Will your AEM ECU work with an automatic and what will this do for him over the PFS PMC????????
Ken
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12-31-01, 07:08 AM
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My oh my...the most infamous question that still needs a answer. When will the ECU Gods hear our pleads?! Oh mighty Gods of our cars' brain...hear our cries and tell us if the XP in Windows XP doesn't stand for expired...
12-31-01, 08:45 AM
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Originally posted by Black680hp7 Read the previous 5 pages, they should answer all of your questions.Jason. [/B]
Here's another question from a person interested in purchasing.
"It depends when this sale goes down, I have to sell my new PFC before I buy this one. I received a few inquiries already but nothing solid yet.
Keep me posted! is there any other reading for this unit beside there site? Im wanting to learn more about it. Do you know if it will allow down/uploading of maps. Rather than cell x cell inputs like the PFC for map changes??????"
Ken
12-31-01, 09:01 AM
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There seems to be much interest in your ECU. Can you give us a confirmed delivery date yet???
Is there software to massage the data logging data once you download it to a PC? Can it be downloaded to a PC with just DOS on it??? What versions of windows does it support??? You memtioned it has capability to download data to the ecu for 45 minutes, can this be constantly downloaded to a laptop in the car while you are driving for however long the battery lasts on the laptop??
Ken
There seems to be much interest in your ECU. Can you give us a confirmed delivery date yet???
Is there software to massage the data logging data once you download it to a PC? Can it be downloaded to a PC with just DOS on it??? What versions of windows does it support??? You memtioned it has capability to download data to the ecu for 45 minutes, can this be constantly downloaded to a laptop in the car while you are driving for however long the battery lasts on the laptop??
Ken
12-31-01, 09:09 AM
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I'd love to get one of these, but I have a TII. I seriously doubt we could get a "universal" kit GB going on, but if it's possible I'm in. I can't see myself paying retail for this, but something around the 1500 mark, and I'd buy it. I'm not sure what my options are, and what AEM distributors plan on charging.....
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Originally posted by LUV94RX7
Jason of AEM EMS, I download your demo software and when I run it everything is "grayout". What's the deal with that??
Ken
Jason of AEM EMS, I download your demo software and when I run it everything is "grayout". What's the deal with that??
Ken
12-31-01, 08:34 PM
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Originally posted by Black680hp7
You absolutely can tune without a dyno, I tune my car at the track mostly, I dyno to make sure everything is working correctly before a race, but I do all of my fine tuning at the track. As for sending your unit out to get programmed, unless it is attached to the car it is going to be running in, there is NO way they can get it perfect! Every engine and combination responds differently, ours will allow you to dial it in perfectly.
You absolutely can tune without a dyno, I tune my car at the track mostly, I dyno to make sure everything is working correctly before a race, but I do all of my fine tuning at the track. As for sending your unit out to get programmed, unless it is attached to the car it is going to be running in, there is NO way they can get it perfect! Every engine and combination responds differently, ours will allow you to dial it in perfectly.
I know they cant get it exact......thats why I said....... "The tuning xs does is not quite as accurate as a dyno tune but it is a good safe tune that I dont have to worry about or mess with."
The xs tuning is ok, especially for $150. To get to the closest rx7 tuner with a dyno I'd spend $150 in gas to get there and back so its not a bad deal.
Originally posted by Black680hp7
With built in comprehensive datalogging, you can see exactly what your engine is doing, and what it needs. Most people tune their cars on the street using the datalogging to know precisely what to change. This is better than dyno tuning as far as accuracy goes, dyno's tend to leave you with a little richer calibration off the dyno. The reasons are quite simple, most dyno rollers are significantly heavier than your 7, Dyno jet rollers are 6500lbs for the heavy rollers, and if memory serves, 4500 for the "light" rollers. Your 7 weighs 3k lbs with driver or lighter, therefore you engine is under more load at the dyno, then off the dyno, and therefore requires more fuel. When tuning on the dyno, I don't look at the power numbers until I have the calibration done anyway. So if you aren't in need of numbers, you don't have to go to the dyno, go to the track!
Hope this helps
Jason.
With built in comprehensive datalogging, you can see exactly what your engine is doing, and what it needs. Most people tune their cars on the street using the datalogging to know precisely what to change. This is better than dyno tuning as far as accuracy goes, dyno's tend to leave you with a little richer calibration off the dyno. The reasons are quite simple, most dyno rollers are significantly heavier than your 7, Dyno jet rollers are 6500lbs for the heavy rollers, and if memory serves, 4500 for the "light" rollers. Your 7 weighs 3k lbs with driver or lighter, therefore you engine is under more load at the dyno, then off the dyno, and therefore requires more fuel. When tuning on the dyno, I don't look at the power numbers until I have the calibration done anyway. So if you aren't in need of numbers, you don't have to go to the dyno, go to the track!
Hope this helps
Jason.
Ok here is what I've pieced together between this and other threads, you can tell me if I'm on the right path or not (and I'm prob not). To have the computer self tune it has to already have a accurate base map. To achieve that accurate base map I'll either need to dyno it or use a wideband on it. Once I have a accurate base map I would use the auto tune feature when I change my mods by simply hooking up a laptop and letting it AEM retune the map. For the auto tune to be accurate I must have a wide band......or am I wrong about this? It seems I read in the Supra forum that it can auto tune from a regular wide band once it you have made a base map.
Once its done retuning the map for my new mods I can unplug the laptop and never have to worry about it untill I add more mods or go single turbo at which point i just hook up the laptop again and let the AEM retune everything, which would require a wide band again.
I think that is what you saying. I guess the part I'm not fully understanding is it will the auto tuning require a wideband, which I dont have access too? If so at what point do I need it. just for the base map or anytime I want to auto tune?
Instead of a laptop can it be hooked up to something like a Palm or anything else small enough to fit in the glove compartment? If not, what kind of cable does the laptop connect with? Is it a proprietary cable or a regular computer cable that I can buy in long lengths (like 40feet)? The reason I'm asking is that way I can run it to the computer in my house for transfering of the datalog file. Otherwise I'd have to borrow a laptop everytime I want to datalog.
Dang, I hate asking soooo many questions (and I'm sure you getting tired of them as well) but I just want to know EXACTLY how everything is going to work and what I'll have to do for a good tune before I buy one. I dont like suprises from equipment like this.
Thanks,
STEPHEN
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12-31-01, 08:57 PM
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These are very good questions. I know I want to learn all I can about this new unit. That's what this forum is all about. Black680hp7 is a tech support rep for AEM and I'm sure he is willing to answer all our questions. It's in their best interests to have satisfied customers. God knows we don't want to blow up our engines anymore.
Ken
These are very good questions. I know I want to learn all I can about this new unit. That's what this forum is all about. Black680hp7 is a tech support rep for AEM and I'm sure he is willing to answer all our questions. It's in their best interests to have satisfied customers. God knows we don't want to blow up our engines anymore.
Ken
12-31-01, 09:09 PM
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It has to be windows 95+ operating system, xp works.
Standard 9 pin serial cable for data transfer.
With the laptop plugged in, you have as much time to datalogg, as you have drive space available.
For auto mapping it is recomended you have a wideband, these can be purchased for around $650.00. A standard O2 sensor will work, but they are not as accurate. Especially the RX7 single wire.
I am not AEM tech support, I am responsible for the design and testing of the system.
Jason.
Standard 9 pin serial cable for data transfer.
With the laptop plugged in, you have as much time to datalogg, as you have drive space available.
For auto mapping it is recomended you have a wideband, these can be purchased for around $650.00. A standard O2 sensor will work, but they are not as accurate. Especially the RX7 single wire.
I am not AEM tech support, I am responsible for the design and testing of the system.
Jason.
12-31-01, 09:21 PM
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Originally posted by Black680hp7 I am not AEM tech support, I am responsible for the design and testing of the system.
Jason. [/B]
Jason. [/B]
I hope to get one in Dave at KDRs hands by 2-1-2002. When can Dave take the intall and tuning seminar???
Ken
01-01-02, 02:36 PM
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Jason,
I was wondering the same thing waynespeed posted below. I noticed this question was the only one you didn't respond to (if you did and I missed it, sorry) . Edumacate us !!!
Remember, "I enjoy helping people make their car faster, whatever it is. This is all in good fun for me, I don't keep secrets on my setup!"
What timing were you running after 15psi?
What was your trailing split past 15psi?
And the questions below.......
Thanks !!!!
Anthony
I was wondering the same thing waynespeed posted below. I noticed this question was the only one you didn't respond to (if you did and I missed it, sorry) . Edumacate us !!!
Remember, "I enjoy helping people make their car faster, whatever it is. This is all in good fun for me, I don't keep secrets on my setup!"
What timing were you running after 15psi?
What was your trailing split past 15psi?
And the questions below.......
Originally posted by waynespeed
What timing were you running on the leading and trailing plugs@HP rating?
What was your base fuel pressure?
Did you use the wet setup on the RICH side to assist the injectors?
What timing were you running on the leading and trailing plugs@HP rating?
What was your base fuel pressure?
Did you use the wet setup on the RICH side to assist the injectors?
Thanks !!!!
Anthony
Originally posted by Black680hp7
I understand, I don't get involved with makebelieve, at the same time, I know what I know, and I am not here to make my self look better. I am here to help others with my experience. If you want to listen, great, if not, that's fine too. I also don't care who believes what I say and who doesn't, if I have to guess at a question, I will say I believe, or I think. If I have done it, I will state that as well. I enjoy helping people make their car faster, whatever it is. This is all in good fun for me, I don't keep secrets on my setup! There is more to it than just buying the parts, and going fast. That's what I am here for, if anyone wants it
Hopefully I used these smily faces correctly.
Jason.
I understand, I don't get involved with makebelieve, at the same time, I know what I know, and I am not here to make my self look better. I am here to help others with my experience. If you want to listen, great, if not, that's fine too. I also don't care who believes what I say and who doesn't, if I have to guess at a question, I will say I believe, or I think. If I have done it, I will state that as well. I enjoy helping people make their car faster, whatever it is. This is all in good fun for me, I don't keep secrets on my setup! There is more to it than just buying the parts, and going fast. That's what I am here for, if anyone wants it
Hopefully I used these smily faces correctly.
Jason.
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Jason, thanks for giving so much info about the computer!!!! If nothing else I can say one thing I already like about this computer over the pfc is the availability to ask questions and get the right answers.....even if its not the answer we are looking for. That makes a big difference.
Anyway, to sum up my questions, can I just install a wide band to auto tune then when it gets done building a good map go back to using a regular o2 sensor?
Doesnt the computer come with a base map for the persons spacific mods or something like that? It semed like I remembered reading that some where.
What about the cable? I asked earlier but you prob forgot, is the cable that goes from the laptop to the AEM a proprietary cable or just a regular computer cable. The reason I ask is if its a cable I can buy in length I could hook it up to my computer at the house to download the datalogged files instead of having to borrow a laptop everytime I want to data log.
Thanks,
STEPHEN
Anyway, to sum up my questions, can I just install a wide band to auto tune then when it gets done building a good map go back to using a regular o2 sensor?
Doesnt the computer come with a base map for the persons spacific mods or something like that? It semed like I remembered reading that some where.
What about the cable? I asked earlier but you prob forgot, is the cable that goes from the laptop to the AEM a proprietary cable or just a regular computer cable. The reason I ask is if its a cable I can buy in length I could hook it up to my computer at the house to download the datalogged files instead of having to borrow a laptop everytime I want to data log.
Thanks,
STEPHEN
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This unit looks good..
The only way to see how good this unit is would be to get one..
I am interested in a group buy for a universal unit.
Here are some more concrerns.
I know if I have a problem with a Haltech unit I can return it and have it back in a week or two. They service and repair their units in Texas and back in Australia..
What happens when there is a problem with an AEM unit?
Where are the units serviced and or built? (Made in the USA)
What kind of warranty is available?
The only way to see how good this unit is would be to get one..
I am interested in a group buy for a universal unit.
Here are some more concrerns.
I know if I have a problem with a Haltech unit I can return it and have it back in a week or two. They service and repair their units in Texas and back in Australia..
What happens when there is a problem with an AEM unit?
Where are the units serviced and or built? (Made in the USA)
What kind of warranty is available?
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Originally posted by SPOautos
Jason, thanks for giving so much info about the computer!!!! If nothing else I can say one thing I already like about this computer over the pfc is the availability to ask questions and get the right answers.....even if its not the answer we are looking for. That makes a big difference.
Anyway, to sum up my questions, can I just install a wide band to auto tune then when it gets done building a good map go back to using a regular o2 sensor?
Doesnt the computer come with a base map for the persons spacific mods or something like that? It semed like I remembered reading that some where.
What about the cable? I asked earlier but you prob forgot, is the cable that goes from the laptop to the AEM a proprietary cable or just a regular computer cable. The reason I ask is if its a cable I can buy in length I could hook it up to my computer at the house to download the datalogged files instead of having to borrow a laptop everytime I want to data log.
Thanks,
STEPHEN
Jason, thanks for giving so much info about the computer!!!! If nothing else I can say one thing I already like about this computer over the pfc is the availability to ask questions and get the right answers.....even if its not the answer we are looking for. That makes a big difference.
Anyway, to sum up my questions, can I just install a wide band to auto tune then when it gets done building a good map go back to using a regular o2 sensor?
Doesnt the computer come with a base map for the persons spacific mods or something like that? It semed like I remembered reading that some where.
What about the cable? I asked earlier but you prob forgot, is the cable that goes from the laptop to the AEM a proprietary cable or just a regular computer cable. The reason I ask is if its a cable I can buy in length I could hook it up to my computer at the house to download the datalogged files instead of having to borrow a laptop everytime I want to data log.
Thanks,
STEPHEN
Standard 9 pin serail cable off the shelf from radio shack will work.