TwoStunt

i know it's been posted a million times
depends on driver depends on the power of the car
depends on whatever but with a 240 for example doesn't matter
it always will drift no arguement
and amungst all the threads being mostly arguements after an answer or two
say nothing about how well it actually drifts

watch this and be sure to read the text please

"rx7 handles very well" "racers most enjoy rx7" "very easy to control"

PS: although alot of the videos i've seen with 240's and rx7's drifting
it seemed that the 240 can get alot more sideways aposed to the
rx7 witch almost seems to really be trying

Raziel

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ahhh where to start.. i know. He's the "drift king" he can drift anything.

And even though its been said a million times its still going to be true. It all depends on the driver.

Have you tried drifting a rx7? Have you tried drifting a 240sx? Its like day and night with the two cars. The 240 is a front heavy car and its easy to oversteer. You see those videos where the 240s seem to be able to get more angle? Well thats due to it having more steering angle so they can get a higher drift angle. Also the 240sx's are a lot more easier to control because of the transitions when drifting are more predictable and a lot more smoother. Rx7s (FD) on the other hand arent so nice to drift. They tend to snap over really fast and with the steering angle you wont get a lot of high angle drifts. You'll be spining out a lot with a FD also if your not quick w/ the steering.

Everyone that ive met at drift events say how easy it is to drift a 240sx and i believe them. The 240sx may be drifter friendly but it still comes down to the driver. Also Dont get me wrong the rx7 is a great car but the 240sx is better at drifting then the rx7.

Lastly if you think im talking outta my *** or something. Here's a pix from back in 04 when i used to drift my FD. I know what its like to slide a FD. I stopped in 05 and 06 because of funds and the FD finally needed a new engine. I decided to move to a FC for 07 though so im finally going to be out there again.

TwoStunt

yea i guess i agree with you
it can deffinitly be drifted but angle will never be as good as a 240sx
it is extremely expensive period, drift or not. high maintenance
pretty much the FD is just has looks and a rotary small and fast

240 is affordable better drift car more reliable (w/ sr20 or KA)
but they dont come close to the 7 with it's looks
and they are soo popular and 240 enthusiasts judge you more

TailHappy

Nice picture and an interesting read. I've recently started toying with some drifting myself and was curious, Raziel, if you had to make many modifications to your FD to handle the drifting. In particular, wheel hop seems to be a beast to get rid of. I have a KAAZ, solid diff mounts, new pillow bushings, and the beefier leading and trailing arms and I still can't get rid of the hop. Bought the diff brace but wasn't impressed with it at all and never installed it. Just wondered if you had to deal with any issues like that to get your car where you wanted it to be for drifting.......

S14.3BRE

I have drifted a S14 240sx with a SR20 in it for years, I also have drifted GtoRx7's FD w/ the 3-rotor. I have to say that they are both similar in weight and power, however, my 240 did pull better angle. But, I think this may be more due to the wheel base, and lack of steering angle on the FD. Gto and me talked about modifiying the steering rack to add more teeth to it, providing close to equal steering angle. But the wheel base, might be harder to improve

GtoRx7

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Whats up man! Yes I agree fully, after driving both. Maybe this year we can get more seat time and find out....

renegade_gxl

well as for the 240-rx7 argument.. i fall to the rx7 side.. ive driven 240s and rx7s for 2 years now and id have to say id rather drift the FC over the 240. mind you im more acoustom to cars with smaller and shorter wheel base. so you still come back to the driver..between my stock fc and my other buddies slightly modded 240 coupe. wich we have both owned for about the same ammount of time.. i can pull better angel and longer slides then he can..

Black Knight RX7 FC3S

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I had a 89 240 and right now i drive a 88 rx7.

And like somebody said, its like day and night when you drift them.

The 240 drifts way better then my rx7.
My 240 only had tokiko shocks and eibach springs everything stock, it didnt even have lsd and it drifted better then my rx7.
My rx7 has more power then the 240, it has agx shocks and eibach springs, it even have lsd but its harder to drift in it then the 240, it keeps wanting to understeer. Only way I see to drift a rx7 is to adjust the camber, and toe on the car.

The 240 you can pretty much just drift it stock...

But as other people said, its up to the driver.

rx7legend

hi guys, i was reading your arguments and i thought i could post what im going to say here cause i really don't know where is the right section for this but wth. ive been drifting my fc for some time now, my fc is in very good condition and i sometimes use it as a dd so that's why im going to get another car just for drifting so i can let the fc out of the drift game lol. im really serious about getting a car and make it a drift car, it will still have hes complete interior and stereo etc. because i may use it on the street once in a while but most of his time will be sitting in my garage till i get out for drifting. i was looking either on an ae86(coupe or hatchaback really doesn't matter cause their both good looking cars and i like the lightweight body, also it has to be the gt-s lol) or a 240sx (rps13), i like the 2 cars a lot and they both have their advantages and disadvantages. this are my 2 cars on my mind only, im not really looking on anything else, i was thinking to go better with the ae86 because of the lightweight body and the 1.6 n/a engine( those engines can take a lot of abuse and still go like nothing happend). the 240sx brings the k24de engine and it's good but if i know me lol i will possibly turbo the engine and that's where it will be less reliable than the ae86. well any thoughts from you will be great thanks.

ZenkiFcKin

I think I will step into this argument and say that the 240 stock would woop on the Rx stock. But with a few simple suspension mods the Rx is right back in the game. My last Fc had adjustable struts and some goofy springs but any way, even though it wasnt even lowered it still gave way more responce than my new stock fc. Both NA Both GXL. Last one had just slightly more horse. Another factor you have to look into is the torque outputs while the 240 isnt monstorous the rx is lacking quit a bit. But suspension plays a huge roll.

Just a quick note: Drifting tends to favor a more stiff rear end so if at all possible if your trying to get your RX to swing out if at all possible stiffen up the rear.

ZenkiFcKin

Oh yeah one major difference is...... drum roll please...... they dont have rotary, I think that says it all right there. Hands down much rather drift RX than some pist on powered car.

rotary_83

ehhh....see....I have owned 2 S14's and one RX7....My Rx7 being my "Hey! Lets see how fast we can take this turn!"....and my S14 for..."Hmmm.....wonder if I can slide around that with out hitting something...ah wth...."

so my point here is.....I have my drift car, and a road handling beast.

get a good decent starter drift car...than go drift....
if you want a Rx7....than have it for outhandling your 240...Point said

dont get something that naturally handle's insanely and try to drift it...it's an Oxy-Moron...it's like getting a motorcycle to be a boat...Wont work....So please just keep the RX7 and get a cheap240, AE86, or cressida

ZenkiFcKin

Dont suggest getting an ae86 unless you have a lot of room for error when you drift, from what i hear its ***** to the wall every second drifting an 86, full gas to continue a clean drift.

Not saying they arent good drift cars cause obviously they are and they are cheap, just not as easy to start off in as and S series Nissan.

Rotary_Knight

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If you believe a stock 240 is better than a stock rx7 then you're on the wrong forum. Thats not true and only way to prove it to you is taking you to the track one day. It can't be said over a forum, but put it simply a 240 will never out do the handling of an rx7 no matter how old or new. The rx7 is way faster all in all, despite the lack of torque. I've road raced and have blazed by many 240's with ease they handle like ****. Only thing they can do is get more angle than me, but it won't matter cause I'll be done with the turn already.

petex

in the matters of bumpsteer any 240 will "outhandle" rx7...
tire wear, same thing...
thru corners rx7 has advantage of better weight distribution
predictability, 240 wins
gas mileage, rx7 sux
repairs, parts, rx7 sux
240=honda ricer status, sux
240 is very cheap, parts are cheap, multilink f/r suspension, rx7 is the coolest car on planet, i have few of both, haha. rx7 is very expensive if you want to do modify it. 240 is lotta fun because it's cheap beater gets 27mpg with check engine light on no matter what. i can be hitting revlimiter all day and will run the same. rx7s are very strong in terms of suspension abuse, i jumped curbes, pot holes, i hit walls and other cars and not even missaligned. in 240, little dirt dip and tension rod bracket=gone.

petex

fd and fc are very different in term of drifting, i was comparing to fc but fd is much, much better car. suspension, chasis, engine, excellent drift car, but pricey...

ZenkiFcKin

I was simply talking about drifting, isnt that what this thread was all about. I know in every other aspect of racing the Rx is way better, I agree with that, but in past experience drifting I can tell the difference in stock "driftability". Of course Im Rotary RX till I die. But that doesnt mean I cant step outside the box to look at different aspects.

rotary_83

Thats why you have both....like me! But dont do it to impress people. Get a car that you like and dont worry about what other people think....Dont try to impress RX7 people just because you are on a RX forum....Just do what you feel is right...Get a RX7 to road race on the weekends, and have a 240 to drift on other weekends...

rotarybeast7

i've got an fc rx7 and drive my friends 95' 240sx all the time my fc is alot harder to whip out but when it does it goes fast and spins out alot but getting out of the drift feels alittle easier then with my friends 240. the 240 kicks out easy and smooth then once in the drift it stays sideways and but sometimes it likes to keep drifting and harder to pull out of it then the fc. its mostly opinion they both drift but have different styles, the 240 is easier to drift but with practice the fc can drift just as good

TailHappy

Well I had my first taste of trying to do any real drifting. Attended a car control clinic at VIR, where they wet down the skidpad and you practice drifting the large circle. Wow, what a humbling experience. I think virtually everyone in our group found it impossible to go more than about 1 to 1.5 times around the circle. Was really tricky to make it past the lowest part of the grade. Seemed like the FD had a sweet spot which was one full turn of the wheel. But as soon as I would feel the back coming around some more, there was only a little over 1/4 left to turn the wheel, and it was never enough to save it, despite what I would try with the gas.

Which led me to a few questions for the more experienced guys. How far out do you usually try to keep the rear end? More or less than 1 full turn of the wheel? I didn't mess with any car setup at all since I wanted to focus on fixing myself before I fixed the car, but is there something to do with setup that will keep the back from just letting go so suddenly and causing the seemingly unavoidable spin-outs?

Things really got interesting at the end of the day when a bank of the sprinklers quit working and we got dry streaks across the track. Though it sure was a lot easier to maintain the angle with the added traction of the dry patches.

Here's somebody (Fritz?) showing me how I should have been doing it....
http://fritz.sysadmin-racing.com/BMW...d%203-3-07.mpg

stevensimon

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that doesnt look bad but i hate drifting in wet...

i learned how to drift in s13... i likr fc better. it is harder to drive it seems but its so much more enjoyable.

here are a few short crappy clips of me

just me in fc

http://define-touge.net/upload/0415071744.3g2

and me chasing my friend sergio in his s13

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...oID=2024507791

i should have tons of vid in fc tomorrow since there is an event and competition going on

TailHappy

Whew, boy I have to give a lot of credit to the true drifters and their lack of fear for hard walls!

Any new videos?

Here's one I finally posted of the car contol clinic I was talking about. You can see the nice challenging alternating wet and dry patches...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...15374793334540

stevensimon

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHMS0WEGSPw

theres the vid from the event i was talking about. the side mount camera is from my car

fd3s_jerry

that's just because stock the 86 is a nutless wonder. sr20 swap will fix that though.

Skidtron

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I can't help myself from posting on this thread so here goes.

I own a FB and for a long time it was very stock a 84GSL (12A) The first thing I did when I got the car was take it to a cotton packing plant that has a huge tightly compressed dirt parking lot for lack of a better term. It's the place where they park the big carts that the cotton goes in. Anyways it's mostly falt and has less holes than most roads. I go when all the cotton carts are wherever they go when they aren't there. This leaves like a 1/4 mile square area. with nothing to hit. So anyways I go and it's the hardest car I have ever drifted. I think wow I'm out of practice. My buddy had brought his S13 so when he was done messing around I jumped in his car and he jumped in mine. I slid his car all over that place doing everything you can imagine doing in a car. Even 360s on the move. He can't get the RX7 to maintain drift either. We both kinda stare at it and have a small conversation trying to decide what's wrong with it. Keep in mind it is bone stock from 1984. Mismatched tires. Blown struts I mean the whole terrible nine yards. I try again and again and again. Finally I realize the problem. The throttle is so sensitive I am gaining too much rpm too quickly. I begin doing small circles about 20ft across at the most. The car only drifts left (Front wheels pointed right) with any prescision. drifting right I can tell the rear tire is hanging up on something on the body and acting like one brake is on. The problem was of course all the suspension is broken and worn. So the tire was contacting the fender. This was the first time I did anything with this car. It also taght me a lot about the RX7 and what it takes to drive it well. Not saying I'm the best RX7 driver ever or anything. But now fast forward to just a couple months before my 12A went into a much deserved retirement. I was maintaining circles at least 100ft across on dry asphalt and chasing S13s and AE86s around those circles and I would have to slow the cars drift. Sometimes I would have to leave the circle because the car in front is going to slow. We are talking maintained circles going around and around like an average of 5-10 times. The car would be in second gear at about 6500-7000rpm the whole time. Shifting to third would not produce enough torque to maintain speed and angle. At this point the car still doesn't have two tires that are the same on it. and a set of Progress group springs. Still blown factory struts from 1984 and alll stock bushings. The only modifications to the engine were a k&N filter and a newly rodded out radiator. Trying desperately to get rid of the overheating creep I was experiencing. It turned out to be a bad water jacket seal when it was all said and done. I went through ten sets of rear tires in 3 months. These of course were all used tires. It took a lot of effort, time and money to get to where I could slide the car one direction and kick it back the other way without snap over steer. The main problem for the FB is the steering time. There is what feels like 5 turns lock to lock and you have to be spinning that wheel very fast to "catch" the car after drift and carry the new angle. It's very tiring physically and the summers are very hot here. I must have sweat at least a gallon of water everytime out with this car. Now fast forward again. Putting in a NA S5 drivetrain and a re-speed steering rack. It's 2.5-2.7 turns lock to lock for the rack I have. It appears that there is a bit more steering angle than stock but the car hasn't been aligned yet so we'll see. The car's primary purpose is autocross. and eventually road racing but I drift a bit at every autocross I've been to. The organizers don't bother telling me not to drift as when I do I am sure not to be close to the cones and people working the corners. I have seen many drifters get kicked out for being dangerous and just plain old hitting too many cones. I once saw a guy hit at least thirty cones trying to drift. Just remember autocross is not drift practice. Practice somewhere else and bring a bit of drift back with you. Just disguise it in actual low angle high speed drifting that is somewhat useful. Not big showy drifts that show that you are not even trying to get a decent time. They won't say anything to you I promise. Because they will just think your really bad at judging corner entery speed. Like one of the older guys told me once. "If you entered some of those corners with less speed you'd get a better time" He's right I would but that's not as fun and I won my class that day anyways.

Just thought I'd share and I'll repost when the car is back on the road and let you know how it responds.