So Kevin got banned for a week huh?
 

http://www.rotarycarclub.com/showthread.php?t=86

One of the top engine builders, used part guys, and source of free information for everyone in this community- banned for not ponying up ad dollars.

This place has really just gone right down the drain. What a joke.

:icon_tdow :icon_tdow :icon_tdow

Wonder how long this will last.

Looks like until For Ev Er...

"Rotary Resurrection" is no longer in the member listing.

Internet Brands For the FAIL.

I'm guessing it will be censored soon.

I meant I wonder how long this will go before it gets blackholed

I give it until 9:30.

This place is going down the shitter. Its been halfway there for a while now, but now its starting to make final descent.
-a

this board was totally wrong for internet brands

the only one who lucked on this deal was Ryan


I dont know what internet brands thought they were buying, I guess they looked at member numbers and traffic but could not figure out the rest of the board.

I cant wait to see more Allstate and other mindless ads at the top of the screen.

I STILL DONT GET WHATS IN IT FOR THE MODERATORS?? WHAT DO THEY GAIN FROM INFORCING THE RULES????



You all still have a home at the other board should you wish to venture over there.

I'm surprised they haven't removed the link. I guess Internet Brands does not allow linking to competetive sites even include rotary car club and no pistons. What really sucks are the little guys (small businesses) won't be able to post about parts as the advertising fees here are through the roof now.

Valid Point, but what concerns me even more is that they are removing regular individual ppl's FS posts too. Just cause a guy switched setups and has a lot of stuff for sale does not make him/her a vendor! And how about all the posts supporting Kevin, those wre removed too. This place stinks of Stalinist Russia.
-a

Holy shit. My account over at NoPistons still works. :D

Yeah I only stay for BAW anymore. If we could move BAW over to Nopistons, or hell even TFL this forum would never see my monitor again.

I memorized enough of the tech stuff that I need to know, and I get the rest elsewhere. It's really unfortunate as this site has some really good information on it, but I don't like to click more than I have to.

IB gets a big :icon_tdow

I've only read a small portion of what happened with Kevin, but I think it's a sad day for all of the rotards. He's done a lot for the community and the "common man".

Hopefully there can be a better resolution to this matter.

At least his page is back up here: http://www.rotaryresurrection.com/rebuildwriteup3.htm

I've been on other forums with overzealous moderators and admins, in particular vwvortex, among others. I have to say that aside from banning the spammer or the instigator of arguments it always detracts from the community. It is quite possible that IB doesn't give two shits for the community as a whole but I don't see how they could adopt that attitude. All that will happen is people will leave the forum and it will become a shell of what it once was. I have to say that even on vwvortex, a forum which is heavily heavily corporate, I'd say much more so than this site, I've never heard of the kind of crackdown on average sellers that exists on this site.

I will say that Kevin does do quite a bit of business on this site, and I don't know if he does count as an 'average' seller. At the same time though he was a very helpful member and definitely contributed to the forum in other ways.

Wow, my nopistons account still works as well! TFL is websensed, so if not here, the only other place i'd be, car-wise, is no-pistons.

I don't feel the ban on Kev was right at all. Especially bc of the service he does for fellow rotary people. Not too many people charge the amount he does, for the quality he puts out.

wow! disapointing.... They tried to do shit like this on a local reefkeeping board Ive been active on since it started 5 years ago. I would consider myself the reefkeeping equivalent of someone like Kevin and basically told them they charge me to sell my 15$ corals I grew to support my habits then I would take my knowledge elsewhere. Kevin isnt the first expert to be driven from this community....

Going back to Internet brands, I am tweaked at the whole intelli-text adds.

Question, I am thinking about putting together an RX7 forum, minus the adds,( I would only have google sense ads), and no fee's for vendors to list rotary parts. Would anyone be interested?

^There's one I already know of like that.

It would be great if someone could transfer most of the important info (archives, faq's) over to the Rotary Car Club or No Pistons. I just wish that when Ryan decided to sell that he would have asked for the community to help with funds to support the forum. I know I would have kicked in as well as many others to keep the forum away from IB.

TFL, boys. TFL.

This is BULL SHIT.... hell u can kiss my ass good bye... I'm tired of this CRAP... They have been playing this WAY to overpriced game for to damn long...

I was quoted 1000.00 PER MONTH to sell on here... thats for a BASIC acct.

I'll take my build thread packup and leave..!!!

can't access that site from work :/

Is it really that much? Is that the cheapest seller account? How much do they think sellers make on here, I mean Kevin only charges 1k for the rebuild, I doubt he does more than 3 or 4 per month?

i also agree this is bullshit, i dont see much of a future in this forum unless some serious changes start getting made soon

I am willing to bet that their ad rates are calculated on a simple CPM metric. There are so many page hits and individual users each month that advertisers actually do get a solid amount of reach and frequency.

However, what they don't take into account is the nature of purchases in this community. How many of those viewers are actually turned into customers? Not many. Most people on this forum rely on used parts in the classified section, or are shade tree mechanics who do their own work. The advertising rates here are not worth it, not even in the ballpark of what a vendor has budgeted for marketing expenditures.

I asked for a basic sellers account just so I can sell my few parts here and there I told them I profit maybe 200.00 or so a month WHEN I was selling LOADS every month (because I sell everything so dirt cheep)..

they came back with what they call a RESPECTIBLE 1000.00 per month for advertising and selling privleages...

I told them I did not care if I had any advertising I just wanted to post for sale threads... they said that is EXACTLY what I would have to pay in order to do so..

SCREW THIS SHIT!!!!

can someone PM me some of the other 'rival' forums that the well known members here are a part of?

im not a huge forum go-er, in fact this is the only one i belong to. i would hate to see it fall apart. theres a wealth of information here.

nopistons, rotarycarclub, any others?

Wow, way to kill a forum.... I wonder if they realize this is the internet and not some billboard. If they screw with their client base, it's very easy to go throw up another PHP forum somewhere else and everyone just migrate away.

This sucks. I better archive off the site somehow before it hit rock bottom.

edit: new sig

$1000/mo is really just absurd. There are businesses who are MUCH larger than some of the small operations on this board, and they don't spend $12k a year on advertising. Let alone for a SINGLE website.

Yeah it's futile at this point. We tryed to be civil about finding a resolution to the proposterous amount of money IB wants in order to sell above the norm amounts of parts in the FS section. But since apparently somebody didn't like the way the conversation was going the thread got locked.

https://www.rx7club.com/comments-suggestions-archive-222/selling-privileges-729141/

So instead of trying to reach a reasonable resolution they decided to bust out the guillotine. It's not like there aren't other ways around being banned or selling the same items under a different screen name anyways. It was pretty evident there was a Mod who had it out from Kevin and my guess is he is the one who gave him the axe.

As soon as the "other" site starts getting some good traffic I plan on shifting my support over there. This place is really only worth the information it has from when it was a true enthusiast site and not a cash machine.

You guys are only hearing Kevins deluded side of the banning.

He was banned for posting ads for products he was selling out of his shop using an 2nd and third name on the board. He was warned not too, and asked to follow the rules that he (and everyone else) agreed to when they signed up here. But instead he decided to get himself banned. And he was only banned for a week.

I mean, come on. If someone warns you several times not to do break the rules (or anything), and you do it anyway so you can go cry boo hoo, they are out to get me... well who is the bad guy?

The key is he was warned multiple times, given multiple chances and he did it anyway... sorta like if you got stopped by a cop, while driving to work because you were doing 50 MPH in a school zone. The cop let you get away with just a warning... but you kept doing it anyway, until finally they had to actually give you a ticket. WHO'S FAULT IS THAT? The cop? Or in this case KEVIN.

His temporary banning (which is probably over in just a couple more days)... is all his fault. No matter how he twists it, not matter how many of you think that it is the big bad mean board or IB... it is none of those things... it is just Kevin acting like an asshole.

Kevin also made up things about how this board was out to get him, and the like, yet Kevin was the one that lied about both moderator and admins actions here to get sympathy and support from other members. He also took down DIY pages from his website and replaced them with rants against the board. Does that sound like someone that really wants to help the community. No he just has his personal vendetta right now because he doesn't want to pay the $50 to be a dealer (not $1000).

Hell he even made up crap about me, saying I wouldn't send him a rebuilt Clock panel because I had it out against him, or something... how I owed the panel too him because he sent me free parts in the past, Of course he forgot all the free rebuilt logicons and wiper switches I sent him...

But that is Kevin. So I take what he has said in the last 6 months as sand. He has not helped members here (just go look up his last years posts).

And it comes down to he broke the rules... despite being told countless times.

^(Backyard)Shift your support over now. You will be part of the increasing traffic.

I will attempt to save this thread with these,

http://www.titsintops.com/myspace/myspace_01.jpg

I personally don't actually care about the ban. Sure, there are forum rules, sure he broke them, whatever.

They are, however, forum rules that weren't enforced but now are. I am not saying you didn't mean to enforce them before, but effective enforcement has gone up. Please, tell me that this is not so, I want to hear the lie for the billionth time.

It really isn't that Kevin got banned. He really was a power seller. He should have been paying money.

The issue I have is that they want 1000/mo (ok, so even if it is 200/mo it's still god dang ridiculous) for people selling a total of 1-2k in parts a year (not kevin, others who are parting cars etc).

How is that supposed to work? The "people selling multiple items" thing has had me about furious when I first heard about it.

I've since given up on caring about this board as the incredible rotary community that I came to. It is just a forum again to me. That makes me a sad panda.

Bah, this is one of those things where I just sit back and make my decision on where I stand AFTER everyone flames everyone to hell.

Yeah, the "people selling multiple items" bit is nuts. What happens if I decide to just part out my car rather than get rid of it? Do I have to pay money to list those parts, even though I am only doing this once? This isn't Ebay, it's a classified section.

Damn, there are a lot of people in this thread.

The problem with that banning was that Kevin was selling used parts for reasonable prices and I doubt was making enough profit to make up for what it would cost to be a vendor. This is the same gripe that a lot of frequent sellers have on here. They were told they were posting too many for sale ads and would need to become a vendor. So there are two sides to that story not just him being wrong.

Jeez this thread is moving can't post before someone else gets the point across.

The problem is that this isn't merely an issue of a single person getting in trouble and pouting. Personally, I have never even spent much time talking to him or even heard about the incident in question, however, I know how IB has been asserting it's self on the forum. What it boils down to is a difference in worlds.

IB is way out of their element in trying to drive into such a tightly wound realm such as rotaries. It's not like the Honda scene, where pissing off a few people just causes those few people to leave. If the body of this forum up and gets mad, the forum dies. Period. They need to consider the ramifications and how they portray themselves very carefully before they make aggressive moves. Whether or not the action is justified by the forum user agreement or god himself, it does not matter when it comes to popular opinion.

This isn't a community of buyers, sellers, and enthusiasts, it's a community of friends. Friends do not need rational reasoning for abandoning a scene or revolting when one is punished, which is why it is so very important for IB to really pay special attention to the mood of the board. Murmurs of descent can quickly empty a forum such as this, and once it happens, it's nearly impossible to reverse.

I'd just like to know how me owning a body shop prevents me from selling parts on here.

I've posted a couple items for sale and IMMEDEATELY have them pulled and I get warnings of a ban if I don't pony up cash.

Just because I have a body shop and a business, doesn't mean I'm here with that purpose. The parts I would sell are from myself personally and come off of parts cars...............how am I any different from the other tonne of people selling parts on here?

Discrimination plain and simple. They think they can force people with businesses to hand out cash so they apply the pressure where it will be most effective.

Of course, I didn't think too highly of the place when Ryan owned it, but that was more to do with him being a ridiculously slithery piece of horse shit.

end rant.

BTW he stated that he did get caught on other names a.d you can spin it how you want as well.. but I WAS QUOTED 1000.00 PER MONTH...

I dont care how much others were ANYONE who has seen my past sales KNOWS ther eis no way in hell I could possibly profit 1000.00 + in a month in order to pay for that charge...

THIS IS JUST REDICULOUS....

besides whats up with everyone being asked to pay different amounts...

I have heard quotes ranging from 200.00 up to my ASTRNOMICAL amount of 1000.00

Lets just face it this place is falling apart IB is a SHIT HOLE COMPANY who cares nothing about the member and ONLY about $$$$$$

I am tired of wasting my time on this forum.. I spend 80% of my day in tech posts, sales posts, hell EVERYWHERE including my personal build page for others to read, get inspired, ask questions and learn stuff....


I hope that all the members of this forum that hate how it is being run leave and never come back... it would be 6months or less and this forum will crash...

The mods can backup IB if they want.. sounds like most of them are just as deluted..

Where did he get the $1000 fee from? Was he applying for an "enhanced" selling account?

I actually was working to get a section for dealers to sell (which the forum at this time has rules against dealers selling their parts) which would be free or for next to nothing.

This would solve the scammers (which was one of the reasons for increased enforcement) and give an outlet for the people that have been abusing the classifieds making this site another ebay buy it now.

But instead of getting work done on that... I have forced to deal with BS threads such as this, and people whining that the rules are wrong for them. Or can you guess how much time have I wasted just dealing with Kevin being a baby!

I don't know where the $1000 came from... I suspect Kevin again, making trouble. Or if it was from IB sales, I would suspect that would be for a whole kit and cabbodle multi site sales package.... but I don't know. I do know that when I called to do another group buy for the HID lights I sold last year it was $200 for multiple forums as well as here and as a vendor status.

For me that would mean that it would be that if I sold 20 people, that they cost I would have to charge would be $10 more each...hardly a huge amount.

aww man i can't believe he got the boot.... he was pretty cool, too

Bc this thread is one of many determining factors for members hanging onto a thread. . . . I would really appreciate it if an actual rep from IB stepped in and chimed in on the situation, as opposed to letting our Admins take care of it.

I mean. . . hell. . . i've never even seen anyone on here that states they are an actual rep for IB. . . just seems like they leave all the moderation, admin and what not to the people that were already doing it previously via volunteered work (Icemark, DKJ, Red-RX7, RX7-Doctor, as well as our countless number of mods, etc) . . . while they just rake in profits from those that do pay. . . Hell the last hardware server update was done by Ryan, was it not? Has IB done anything yet, aside from the adds and banners? Of course, if i'm wrong, I do stand corrected.

In the end, it is a business. . . but I don't see the used/classified section as a place that needs to be levied by a monthly fee to sell parts off of a car. Just my opinion.

EXACTLY.

IB clearly should have done a bit more research to see if this place was actually in alignment with their business model. From what I've seen, it's pretty far off.

Well look, all I want is a guarantee of a few things that don't seem possible anymore.

I'd like to be able to sell off the parts in my garage left over from various parts swaps, but I no longer intend to do so here. I know this doesn't "hurt" you and that you probably don't "care" :) I've just got an issue with that site.

It really isn't the rules so much as the handling of them. The explanations that I almost always see the point of, but are loaded with BS lies that just show no respect. I mean fairly specifically the repeated "no changes have been made" comments during various forum changes.

It always takes a while for you guys to own up to what actually happened. When the lounge was cracked down on (and honestly, right here, I'll say thanks for that, in most cases it really was an improvment, sad to see some people go but w/e), there were "no changes made" and increased enforcement was denied.

It just seems silly to not be up-front with people.

It also seems silly that people think the forum will die or something. The forum may turn into basically a LS1 swapped FD (it has lost its "soul"... whatever that means), but it'll still be around. Heck it'll probably have a bigger population and make more money. It's just that most things that attract the most people, make the most money, and are seen as the "best way of doing things" are actually big steaming piles of crap stuffed inside a nice pair of breasts. Most people don't get far enough to see what they're packed with.

I just hope... REALLY REALLY hope that every jackass that pulls their writeups out of the archive rehosts them for eternity. Even if every member of this forum becomes a mindless loser, and every good member migrates away there is tons of information. If that goes away from the internet I will be a sad panda.

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