Circuit Theory

iTrader: (52)

200 a year is not bad, but free was ohh so much better lol.

charlies7

iTrader: (4)

ugh, no BECAUSE IM NOT A business..Do you even listen to anything that I ******* type. I make no money and im not paying anything. There is NO reason for me to pay a dime when im not making ****. Isnt that simple.

You my friend are a fool, this doesnt effect you and I dont "rip" people off.

kenn_chan

I do not sell often enough to get hit by any of this; however I would gladly pay it (if it applied) and would to see some form of payment required to the forum. As I stated before it would be much easier to track said members if they were required to pay via credit card. You would have their mailing data etc as a result verified. This in turn would make it easier to track them when they F*&K someone over. and the requirement to spend money to make money would remove about 80% of the scammers.

I do not think that the regular vendors will approve something as low as 200 for a whole year, when you see what they have to pay. and many of these guys sell as much as the vendors do!

I would think that the vendors should be consulted before setting any form of price.

cheers

Kenn

Doc, sorry about the Jab, just get tired of all the whining from the kiddies

charlies7

iTrader: (4)

Im getting tired of your retarded insults, especially over an internet forum.. Says alot about you, nice


I think a good suggestion might to be give us "dealers" a limit of thread per month before you have to pay anything.

Merciless

this is being discussed...so just calm down...stay on topic

str8ryd

iTrader: (473)

Do you even have any idea what you're talking about or even saying? The people in this thread offering input and suggestions are by no means scammers. We're simply the one's that have been put in to this dubious category of "excessive sellers".


Your insight is pretty pathetic. First of all calling us "kiddies" when it appears that some of us may actually be more intelligent than yourself and actually be able to form a proper argument and follow a coherent train of thought.



Anyways, back to topic, the scammers on this site are generally the NEW members, low-post count members and the infrequently visiting members. If it was the members who sell extensively that were constantly scamming then I'd say the buyers were complete idiots to continue purchasing from said member. Trust me, all it takes is 1-2 genuine complaints about a seller and he's just about done selling, atleast on this particular forum. Some of us would not like this forum to have our CC information on hand. I don't even like business' to keep my CC info on file, so NO that's not a feasible option for all of us and definitely not me!



If you are soooo worried about scamming, then maybe your retarded proposal should be applied to the new members and not the forum members who are actually active on this forum. Besides, a lot of us older members actually have ways to be traced so again it's not necessary to "track us". If anyone should be tracked it should be these new members that pop up everyday and begin selling on the forum. We have NO means of tracing them and it's pretty sad how easily they scam and get away with it. Get your story straight please next time before you decide to post complete nonsense.

str8ryd

iTrader: (473)

This is a FANTASTIC suggestion!


Since, it's not our faults that the rules weren't being properly enforced up until now, why is that we're being held liable for this forums own mistakes?????? Why not atleast tell us how many threads we can have at one time or in month so atleast some of us can see whether or not we actually need to pay. This ambiguity is very sad. There doesn't seem to be a clear criteria that's being used or even enforced.


How do Charlie and I get bunched up with a seller like Fritz Flynn? He's been on this forum selling for 5-6 years now, possibly longer but that's how long I've been here to remember. I only started selling actively within the past year or so. Had I ever this entire time been given one single warning, I would've abided by the rules. We were never granted that courtesy, but instead a judgement was just simply taken on our behalf and now we're in this position.


Why not give us a chance starting now???? Why are we being punished for rules that were suppossed to be enforced by this forum and its mods and weren't??? This policy makes no sense whatsoever. We should atleast start with a clean slate since this policy is just being put into effect. We could be given the proper guidelines and if not followed then be subject to enforcement. Please think this over...

str8ryd

iTrader: (473)

That's actually not very reasonable as you've up until now continually suggested the price would be. $200 is no small amount for being granted a privilege to sell on a free forum. It's actually very high! And can we please not toss around numbers unless they're coming from yourself.


Before we even discuss figures, how about we get some information regarding this subforum? Will we be allowed unlimited selling privileges? No cap on amount of threads posted, bumped, etc.? How is this being set-up, is my question? Based on some of that information we can have a better understanding of what would be a reasonable amount to pay.

ptrhahn

iTrader: (9)

This, frankly, sounds like a HELL of a lot of mental gyration to fix something that wasn't broken in the first place.

Indyparts

iTrader: (16)

To IB this was broken. They weren't making enough money

Japan2LA

iTrader: (256)

The seperate section sounds good to me...


Seems like I would be posting in this new section too.. In my opinion, an INCENTIVE should be offered.

Our economy is headed into a recession and even the goverment is giving us back some of our money.. As a goodfaith offer, IB should offer us something...

A monthly charge sounds fair... how about giving us all a 50% discount for the 1st year?? Say $100.00 a month for the 1st 12 months? Who's to say this site will even be around considering the current USA economic condition...

mono4lamar

iTrader: (32)

I'm completely against this "ban" on some of us smaller guys selling. I flip a couple injectors every once and a while. This process starts as I get a couple injectors from other MEMBERS, send them to a well know VENDOR on here to be cleaned and sell them to MEMBERS. The key phrase is "MEMBERS" and if you see it all stays in the circle with the MEMBERS. I also give the VENDOR his moneys worth that he somehow can afford to pay to the forum. I don't make a killing off them! The way I look at it is more so of providing a service and allowing the forum to work its magic that the VENDOR pays for.

As for the comment from "Kenn" about keeping the scammers out... How's that work when the scammers are the guys that come on and make one big sale???

I say there should rather be a section to established members myself included as I "sell frequently." Now in this section there should be a "cap" to the total sales a month we can have. Perhaps 3-4 sales a month is fair?

To set up this section I would find it fair to have a one time fee to set it up. If we operate outside of our selling arrangement we'll be removed immediately. This would make it much better for the regular members as we're reputable, there's proof of our account as we sent our first time payment from it, and it will keep the regular for sale section clear for all the smaller guys getting bumped out of the way from us "conglomerates."

I'd surely like to find a resolution to this problem. If I can be of further help please let me know. I'm happy someone brought this thread to life as it's been REALLY bothering me for quite some time.

kenn_chan

First I did not point anybody out for a direct insult but since you have tugged on my chain, I will answer you in direct and similiar fashion.... (mind you without the worthless retohric

Your first post is a lie you claim:
"I've been a member of this board for a LONG time now...close to 5-6 years. I only actively started posting a couple years back. "

post count says Aug 2006 which makes 1 and some change, not posting and lurking is totally different from just signed up, IE a non member, so thats a lie, wonder how much more foolishness spews from you? Need me to go further?

Yes, actually I do have an idea, many of the members on this forum who sell a few items occasionally are good honest hardworking people who do not scam, and are as honest in their dealings as they can be. however you are trying to make money without paying the fees associated with either the forum as a dealer, or on a sale forum, IE EBAY, and you waste a moderators time whining that you got caught, stopped and may have to pay some money for it as a result. the forum is not a right its a priveledge, so have a nice day.


as before, I did not point out anybody, I generalised, which may or may not be acceptable in this case, however my gut instinct tells me that I am probably correct due to the thugishness of your reply.

Chances are that this is one of the most inaccurate statements so far, by simple virtue of having lived longer than 95% of the forum members, I can make a general statement like "Kiddies" and its is going to be accurate roughly 95% of the time, hopefully for your sake you are not older than me, if you are, I suggest you enroll in an adults evening class for stress and anger management to deal with your internet related issues.

you said it, MR. less than 18 months on the board new guy who lies about how long he has been a member and sells a lot of stuff on the forum etc. etc. etc......

Hmm do we have experience on other boards in this area?

My friend if they make it a requirement for people who sell over X amount per day/month/year, you would have no choice if you wanted to continue, so drop the false bravado, it gets you nowhere.

I have been scammed twice on this board since I signed on, both by actual long term members, (not >18 month woder newbs with a sence of entitlement) My "proposal" as you call it is far from retarded. An actual business has a lot more data that is held by its business partners than a normal individual including bank routing numbers, business license's, and other ways to track the company for a myriad of reasons, it seems to me that you are really worried about this proposal.

My personal feelings are that you are worried aobut the ability of people to track you if you did something that might be considered wrong. if this data was held by the company, scammers would not have multiple chances to scam, as the credit card would be in their actaul name with a bank name etc. sounds to me like you are worried.....wonder why?

Kenn

charlies7

iTrader: (4)

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usless reply

yes charlie, by ME!!!

Merciless

what we are trying to achive from this thread is to discuss a solution to the issue, there is no point of personal attacks


again, this issue is in discussion, please stay on topic or this thread will be close until a solution is provided.

charlies7

iTrader: (4)

okie

RotaryResurrection

iTrader: (8)

Mods,

What people are having a problem with is the subjective nature of your opinions. IT would be kinda like letting the police determine when someone is speeding using their own opinion, with no speed limit signs posted.

We are looking for more clearly defined rules that lets people know EXACTLY what they can and cannot do.

Such as (these are just examples off the top of my head, but the numbers do seem reasonable and I would recommend that this be considered as the future selling format):

Individual seller is someone who runs a max of 2 threads per month, which are free. These can be anything you want to sell as long as it is not duplicates (several sets of wheels, several turbo kits, etc.) ANY MEMBER SHOULD BE ALLOWED THEIR FIRST 2 POSTS MONTHLY TO BE FREE, EVEN IF THEY LATER LIST MORE AND QUALIFY AS ONE OF THE ADVANCED/PAID SELLERS LISTED BELOW. Exceeding this bumps you into the next level which is paid access.

Advanced individual seller is someone who wants to step up and run more than 2/month, but less than/equal to 10/month, and is not selling bulk new parts related to a retail business (such as turbo kits, aero parts, wheels, rebuilt engines, etc.). Any used part (duplicates allowed) or any single new part (such as one set of wheels, or one turbo kit) is acceptable. SELLING USED PARTS SHOULD NOT AND DOES NOT MAKE YOU A BUSINESS. This requires a small monthly or yearly paid access. I'd suggest somewhere in the $25-50 per month range.

Business level seller is an advanced individual seller who wants to run more than 10/month, or someone who runs more than 2/month AND sells more than one unique new item at a time. Such as those who sell new oil pan braces, aero parts, sets of wheels, rebuilt engines, clutch kits, etc. This should be paid monthly or yearly access, I'd suggest somewhere in the $75-125/month range.

A few other things to note (my opinions):

-any member of the forum should be allowed 2 free threads per month excluding new duplicate items. If I want to sell an oil pan level sensor for 20 bucks I shouldnt be expected to pay the forum 50 that month.

-if you havent noticed, the rotary scene is slowly getting smaller as the cars age and fewer are on the road, and the average owner is younger and more broke. Selling rotary parts is not exactly a cash cow, nobody is getting rich off of this forum. It is all that I can do these days to make any profit. I likely make less per year then most of you at your regular day jobs. The forum ownership shouldn't be so worried about what money is being made here...it is not millions, I can assure you. $75-125 per month should be more than enough for basic selling priveleges. We are not discussing advertising rights here, such as banners, section sponsorship, vendor sections, signatures, etc. Those could be charged extra for seperately. We are just trying to get access to the classifieds here.

-I do not like the idea of seperate classified sections. Take for example the seperate sections that the vendors hold here already. Like atkins rotary. If someone comes on this forum needing a part, where do they go? The general/individual classifieds. Atkins may have a used airflow meter laying around, but no one goes into their section looking for one...they are looking in the general used parts section. So guess what...atkins is a paying vendor and they lost that sale to joe blow, who isn't. Seems *** backwards, doesnt it? All paying sellers should be allowed use of the same general classifieds section. To divide the sections further will make for more confusion and less traffic for those who are paying members of the forum.

Now, let's see how many people here think these suggestions are reasonable and should be strongly considered as new guidelines. And let's see how quickly they get summarily dismissed by "those who rule".

But hey...maybe I will be pleasantly surprised and have to admit I was wrong.

Merciless

i put that idea up for discussion already ......

Indyparts

iTrader: (16)

Kevin - I am with you on what you have suggested here. Some of the numbers could use adjusting but overall would be fair.

If this rule was to go in effect, at least 35-45% of the classifieds in the FC area right now would be considered "Advanced members." Which is not necessarily a bad thing...

mono4lamar

iTrader: (32)

Exactly what I pointed out! This will surely let the smaller guys have longer coverage...

banzaitoyota

How about the new forum owners/administators ACTUALLY ANSWERING AN INQUIRY. Our sigs were pulled. we were told to cont internetbrands and guess what? NO REPLY. Does this sound like a business plan?

RotaryResurrection

iTrader: (8)

Careful John, Ryan and other mods may say you are bitching and whining. Longtime members are not allowed to make any non-***-kissing comments in this, or any other section of the forum, or they will be called names in public and be considered a detriment to the general welfare of the forum.

Indyparts

iTrader: (16)

Smartass hillbilly! Your going to get this thread closed again!

Icemark

explain how this is not clear and can in any way be subjective:

This has been a rule since the board started. It is not an opinion. It is not letting police write a ticket with no speed signs. Every single person reading this thread agreed to that when they agreed to the forum TOS when they became a member.

Now we are working on a way that dealers can also sell. If you are loosing money because you can't post your free ad here, then you probably are a dealer, right?

Here is another one, that there is some major complaints on, because the threads are deleted that don't have it:
Now if it was up too me, there would be no charge what so ever for posting, or a limit, that there would be just a dealer classifieds area... but I don't own the forum, and nobody even pays me to be here, so I am in no position other than to enforce the existing rules and help out for the better good of all members.

So please everyone, bare with the transition of allowing dealers, into some form of classifieds. If you do fall into the dealer classification, remember we are trying to accommodate you, and there are daily discussions on the issue, but Rome was not built overnight.

str8ryd

iTrader: (473)

Kenn,

You entire response was a joke. I won't even take the time out to respond to each individual comment you made because they don't even warrant one. I will say this, watch who you call a newb. If I'm correct, since I've been on here longing then YOU, that would make you the NEWB.

I won't go in to details because frankly I don't feel the need to provide you with them, but I was most definitely a member of this forum for 5-6 years now, which is easily more than you. Before you go about spewing more garbage, please make sure you've atleast eaten the right trash, which in your case would be the oh-so useful information you managed to come up with.