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Old Oct 7, 2010 | 09:41 PM
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S4 vs. S5 Engine Differences While In-car?

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The engine I bought from Mazda came with a waterpump housing with the extra opening at the bottom (I assume for a return hose from somewhere) and the thermostat cover is aluminum and had the hole at the top. Is this for the turbo model or the S5?
If it is S5, I'd be curious to know if they shipped me an S5 engine so is there anyway to tell now that the engine is in the car? Just curious as always.

Charles
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Old Oct 8, 2010 | 05:06 AM
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The pump housing has the return for the turbo coolant on the bottom. The S5's had a plastic thermostat housing, the opening on the top is for the water temp sensor for the electric fan I believe.

The S5 rotor housings will have a threaded hole above the trailing spark plug hole for a knock sensor, but they could have assembled the engine with S5 housings, and used S4 internals, you could remove the exhaust manifold and see if the combustion tub is rough or smooth, this will tell you if it is S4 (rough) or S5 internals (smooth machined surface.

Basically you could have got a mutt with the spare parts they had kicking around...
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Old Oct 8, 2010 | 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Nismo Convert86
The pump housing has the return for the turbo coolant on the bottom. The S5's had a plastic thermostat housing, the opening on the top is for the water temp sensor for the electric fan I believe.

The S5 rotor housings will have a threaded hole above the trailing spark plug hole for a knock sensor, but they could have assembled the engine with S5 housings, and used S4 internals, you could remove the exhaust manifold and see if the combustion tub is rough or smooth, this will tell you if it is S4 (rough) or S5 internals (smooth machined surface.

Basically you could have got a mutt with the spare parts they had kicking around...
Thanks Nismo, there is no threaded hole so I guess it's S4. Regardless of what parts they used I'm only using my 7 as my DD and she runs a hell of a lot better than the old one so I'm a happy man!!!
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Old Oct 9, 2010 | 09:27 PM
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You could tell by the thermo neck if you look at it,IF nothing has been changed on the engine.
S4 thermo necks have two bolts holding it on.
the S5 Plastic thermo-neck has 3 bolts.
Also s5 has an electric Omp ,s4 has mechanical.
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Old Oct 10, 2010 | 09:52 AM
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S5 turbo also doesn't have the twin scroll system, and has a square exhaust manifold flange.

No EGR on S5 I believe.
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Old Oct 10, 2010 | 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by misterstyx69
You could tell by the thermo neck if you look at it,IF nothing has been changed on the engine.
S4 thermo necks have two bolts holding it on.
the S5 Plastic thermo-neck has 3 bolts.
Also s5 has an electric Omp ,s4 has mechanical.
Came with an aluminum neck but it was different than my old one because of the threaded opening on top whereas mine was not open. - looks like they built the engine with a turbo wp housing/thermo neck, so I plugged the turbo coolant return line with a short piece of tube and a bolt. I REALLY didn't want to take off the waterpump/ housing in case anything went wrong with the engine after install.

Engine didn't come with a OMP, had to swap my old one over, which is mechanical obviously.
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Old Oct 10, 2010 | 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaron Cake
S5 turbo also doesn't have the twin scroll system, and has a square exhaust manifold flange.

No EGR on S5 I believe.
What is the twin scroll system?

NVM I got unlazy and did some research lol.
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Old Oct 23, 2010 | 09:18 PM
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So if you put your Mechanical omp on,it is an S4 engine,.
You can't put a s5 omp on an s4 engine unless you have the right front cover.. s5 omp has 3 bolts (TII).
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good to know, thanks styx
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