RXcetera

What is wrong with you? Isnt there a TVR forum for you to post on?? Who cares about your car and how it can beat a 3rd gen... this is an RX-7 Forum!


Here's one for you:

Wanna talk about stamped out? How bout this mass produced, non exotic:

2004 Chevy Corvette vs ultra rare and prestigious CTRL owned TVR

Corvette Kerb weight 1470 kg 3241 lb
your Kerb weight 1107 kg 2441 lb (significantly lighter)

Corvette Wheelbase 2685 mm 105.7 in
Your Wheelbase 2388 mm 94.0 in

Corvette Length 4435 mm 174.6 in
Your Length 4013 mm 158.0 in (significantly shorter body, hence less overhanging mass to cause under/oversteer, easier to pass, take a position on a track)

Corvette Width 1844 mm 72.6 in
Your Width 1727 mm 68.0 in

Corvette Height 1247 mm 49.1 in
Your Height 1205 mm 47.4 in

Corvette Max. output (400.0 bhp) (298.3 kW) @6000 rpm
Your Max. output (275.0 bhp) (205.1 kW) @5500 rpm

Corvette Max. torque (400 lbft) (55.4 kgm) @4400 rpm
Your Max. torque (270 lbft) (37.3 kgm) @3500 rpm (It "should" beat an FD in acceleration... who cares?)

But, it tends to boil down to a power to weight ratio yes?

Corvette Power-to-weight 272.11 bhp/ton
Your Power-to-weight 248.42 bhp/ton

oh yah, that was an automatic Corvette too!


Man, your TVR just got smoked by a mass produced american pos on an RX-7 site!! Better keep on picking on the RX-7 guys cause those bow tie guys on the vette forums would eat you alive!

Smitter

u are forgettin one thing ctrl......my fd is far from stock.....in horsepower and weight

black93RX7

smitter, Im just gonna keep my mouth shut....lol

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Okey now on to a new thread about hating RHD cars .........

This one is FULL .


* person who posted this has no hate for RHD and would like to have a nice rustless FC is possible even if it means going to the RHD manner some day.

Smitter

haha.....black93rx.........if i cant handle the little tvr....maybe we can do it in your 20b....hmmm.........that just might work?

Ctrl

AFAIK, my weight is stock, but from talking to previous owners on pistonheads,
I've got a wideband O2 sensor, big valve heads from a 4.3 BV griffith, ACT exhaust,
megasquirt powering my injectors, and the "mark adams chip". Mark Adams is the
dyno-chipping-tuning guru in the TVR world. Does that mean much? *shrug*

At any rate, I do love FD's. I think they're sexy to the point of jerking off when I
see one. Care to go for a cruise with two uber-sexy and quick cars?

I'd really like to cruise with M-SPEC's yellow JDM tho.... just about bought it.

Ctrl

Or not everyone can afford one.... as CHEAP as they are.

Go price out a 200+ mph car, then price out a Sagaris.... bang for the buck,
TVR makes FAST CARS cheaper than the rest.

If you can tolerate your door **** falling off, and a car that smells like a fibreglass canoe factory, and plenty of electrical gremlins,... they're great. You don't buy a TVR with your full faculties, your wallet or your brains...you buy one with you're heart.

You guys must think I've a real jerk...lol... blv me, I give the TVR guys on piston heads just as much "rx7 pride" as I do TVR pride here.

Ctrl

Sure... it is too... and I love rx-7s... owned 3... got a problem with that?

IN FACT, I just finished filming a video that shows (if you count video frames to establish time/speed ie: 0-60, 100, 140 mph) that my FC is ALMOST (within one second) able to ****-kick my 390se. I play no favourites. I can't WAIT to show the TVR guys that they spent too much to go as fast.


Too bad hardly anybody can afford one... can you? An Ford GT would kill it too.
Your point was?

Do you really think I'm a 7 hater simply because I mentioned my other car?

I have a question for you... every year we have a NON-7 mazda owner posting "mazda in the mountians" here. Should we flame him too since he doesn't HAVE an rx-7? If he can post about his non-7, so can I. Don't like it? F/U.

Ctrl

OOPS... quoted myself, meant to edit....

[edit] As an after thought... go look at a "TVR speed 12" bye bye ford, chevy, chrysler, ferrari, porsche et. al.

And your point was?

nfs05

i think his point was this is an rx-7club, people are going to talk about rx-7s...

The 3rd gen rx-7 is much rarer and more exotic then the other 2. obviously not as exotic as TVR's or many other cars.

you seem to come off as one of those people who have a "big ego"

oh and as an after thought if you want to play "my dad's stronger then your dad" then look at the bugati veyron, bye bye tvr speed twelve...

What was your point???

nfs05

no we dont flame him... cause he doesn't say my other car is rarer then yours.. he invites us to have a fun get together and cruise. so feel free do do the same.

Ctrl

It'll be my 3rd year in a row (this year) and I love the fellowship.

Come on guys, I'm NOT PUTTING DOWN rx-7's here. I love them
Go ask Adam and rx7-spec.... I just dumped over 8 grand into my FC in ONE shot.
Not to mention the $1500 BEFORE that, and the $1700 before that too!

I'm total 7 fan, and I ONLY raised the TVR issue because I think FD guys act like snobs.

"Oh, your FB/FC only cost you 2 grand?..... mine cost 16 grand!"

I'm not fighting 7's here.... I LOVE them.... only fighting snobbery.... and I don't give a ****
what anyone says, FD guys think they're something "special amongst other 7's" and all I want to do is dispell that, so WE CAN ALL GET ALONG and appreciate the rotary engine.

On another note, do you really think ill of me simply because I pointed out productin numbers? Pointing out "rarity" WAS NOT my intent... my intent was to get FD guys off their F-ing ivory tower!

When I pass on oncoming FB, I get a wave.... when I pass an oncoming FC, I get the same hand wave.... when I pass an FD, I get a SNEAR.... just calling it as I see it, and your car/my car has NOTHING to do with it.

RXcetera

You keep contradicting yourself on every post lol. I can't speak for Calgary FD owners, but here in the east of Canada, we all seem to get along regardless of what RX-7 we're driving.

You sir are a snob.

black93RX7

Ctrl: You seem to be real good at generalizing what FD owners are like....

You call us all snobs? What the hell does that make you?

black93RX7

I can appreciate the work someone puts into any car, regardless of the year.

Do I take pride in my FD yes, does that make me a snob?

Neo

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This thread has turned into a bashing competition.
What happened to the original subject??

Ctrl,
You have to admit, to generalize all FD owners as snobs is pretty "high and mighty" of you.
As Rxcetera has said, out here in T.O. & Ottawa area we all get along. I get waves and the pop up headlights from all generation of RX-7's.
The ones I have yet to get any gesture from are RX-8 owners. Which is understandable. Totally different car, different demograph. But I don't go as far as saying they're snobs.

As for the TVR, that's cool you've got a unique car. I think it's the blue one you've posted a few posts above?
Personally, I don't like it. It's much to squarish and it's convertible. Different strokes for different folks. Do I think you're a snob?? No. I've never met you. I can't make any assumptions over some posts you've made on a internet forum. Regardless of how many posts you've compared RX-7's to TVR's.

I wouldn't mind seeing a modern TVR around here in T.O. Despite the fact they're constructed poorly, they have a very unique shape. Exclusivity is also a big factor.

So, bringing it back to the original subject, as I said before it'll be interesting to see a few RHD FD's roaming around the area. I think it'll impact the Vancouver area more than the T.O. area. Regardless, I've seen alot of Skylines appear over the years. So I can only assume we'll start seeing alot more FD's. I'm alright with it. The only thing that annoys me are the young punks who will be driving these vehicles.
I see RHD FD's disappearing faster than LHD kids because they're "cheaper" to get than LHD models sold here. Which makes them more accessible to kids who will inevitably smash them while attempting to street race!

Lates,

P.S. I didn't mean to generalize all RHD FD owners. There will be the few who will buy the car for what it is and appreciate them just like LHD owners do.

Alak

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I spotted 4 JDM FD's yesterday morning. Of the two I will note;

One was a beautiful condition silver. Looked Fairly stock as it still had the factory muffler.

The other was a painted faded, dented, corrosion starting on the wheel wells, half-body kitted, Huge muffler Red one. I would also note the kid kinda drove like an Axxhole. It did seem to run okay.

Sorry if thats anyone here. That was the impression I got when I seen it driving around.

kevjs

Thumbs Up.

The better the availibility of these vehicles the more people who will get to own them.

As for the lower prices allowing inexperienced or unresponsible youth to own them, it will work itself out. By that I mean they will damage the vehicle and it will become a parts car, as much as I hate to see it happen to an FD I would rather have a few reduced to nothing more than spare parts than prevent individuals from owning them who normally wouldnt be able to due to lack of availibility or pricing.

RHD vs LHD, LHD will always be more desirable in north america. Yes there are some who are willing to drive a RHD vehicle but the majority will never drive one. The price of LHD FD's will continue to remain high despite the imporation of RHD FDs.

luckyseven

rhd's are for poor people who can't afford a real fd, and when it breaks down and it will they won't be able to afford the parts

DeAd-EyE

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^ dude..appart from the downpipe (which needs to be crimped on the RHD to clear the steering rack)...what other parts which break down commonly that are different between RHD/LHD

Football22

This reasoning makes no sence. What proof do you have that those who buy a CDN FD have enough money to fix the car when it breaks down? Just cause you are buying a more expensive car doesn't mean that you have the extra money to fix it. There is tonnes of people who max out their credit just to buy a car. Also, the cheaper the car then usually the more money you have to spend on repairs.

If you are buying a car that you know is nutorious for breaking down, would you rather spend !6-18 grand on that car that will sit in your garage waiting for repairs, or would you spend 8-12 grand on that car? Easy decision for me.

Don't get me wrong, I give tonnes of credit to those who have a LHD FD. I would definatly prefer to have a LHD FD over a RHD FD. But I don't see why you have to insult those that buy a RHD FD.

Vick0901

Football22, keep us updated on the status of your FD. How many km's are on the fd you purchased? I also want a FD, but cannot afford to buy a LHD one. That doesn't make you, me or anyone else who is planning on buying a jdm fd poor. It's the same ******* car japan or north american.

HEVNSNT

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This issue will never die. Please read the entire thread, there are two sides to this debate. Football, I think it's pretty clear you don't belong on the side that "can finally afford one".

L-Spec

Holy ****.. I bought a JDM FD because of availability. I had the money to buy a LHD FD.. and one that was in good condition, but the locations I looked at either had one that had super high mileage and was a complete piece of crap, or else it was garaged kept with a ridiculous asking price. I don't need a piece of crap, or a super mint track car. Not to say I'll never drive it in traffic, but it'll be very rare that I will. If people who buy FDs have no idea what to do with them, so be it. The car will no longer be running, then people who complain have nothing to complain about. People who buy the car because they love the car will be able to keep the car on the road, will you still hate the car because it's RHD? Even though they'll love the car just as much as any LHD FD owner, it must not count for anything because it's RHD?

This is being blown out of proportion. I know a bunch of LHD FDs that can barely hold an idle, and they're getting more praise than a completely healthy JDM FD? Give me a break.

/rant

..and just to let people know, I didn't buy an $8000 FD. I made damn sure I bought a stock, well kept FD and I paid good money for it... just not $23,000

charr33

Sad...See, I actually like TVR's, and think the Sagaris is totally badass.
The main reason I like em is because they are very rare. I like to stand out in the crowd. Which is why I drive an FD.

Has nothing to do with looking down my nose at people, but I just enjoy the looks I get when I am stopped at a light from people crossing the street or standing at the bus-stop.

Also, I think the FD has a timeless design which looks better than many/most cars made these days. And it goes like stink too.

So maybe the fact that FD drivers own a car that when parked in any random mall parking lot is (IMHO), the best looking, most rare and fastest car there has something to do with their confident attitude. I would say its more one of pride than snobbery. Cuz for me, I know there is always someone faster, more rare or better looking out there...

On a side note - There used to be a TVR dealer here in Toronto at Lawrence and Warden (or somewhere around there). Does that mean that TVR's are legal to import into Canada prior to them being 15 years old? Cuz I remember going to the showroom and seeing a brand new Griffith. Or has TVR completely pulled out of Canada and only models originally sold here are available to import?