Hehe, is that directed to us northern ontario people that come down to the southern ontario areas and pollute there with our e-test free smog factory cars?

Btw: E-85 is available in Ottawa, I wonder if running a tank of that would help.

This emissions testing stuff is the stupidest **** in the world.

 

bad news for me having an 89 i guess.

at this moment, the county my car is registered in does not have emissions testing i don't think...the extent of it is "visual" inspections and the occasional road side stopping of random cars for "visual" inspections...i hope they don't start doing e-tests there...it's only 1.5 hours northwest of Ottawa so i can see them being bastards and doing that...

it's not that i hate the environment, just that i really like my car...does that make me a hypocrite??

Nik: once i go MS, i would like to go e-85 fulltime but i don't know where they sell it. where is it in Ottawa? another issue is if i can tune it for the same amount of power on NA...

 

Something I like about the Ottawa Krew, you guys are always way ahead of yourselves with everything...lol

 

Aaron, what good would that be, if you leave Ottawa, lets say to Toronto, can you get it there? I'm pletty sure you would have to retune again.

 

I dont really see the point in running E - 85 on non turbo car?

I think some guy on nopistons actually got his halfbridge to pass with no emissions (he had an ems and leaned the hell out of it). We could setup dual maps, one for the etest, and one for getting to the test station and back. Then just switch while the car is on the dyno

We will always have a way to beat the system!

 

lol, yeah hopefully we will always have ways to beat the system.

no, i don't really know if running e-85 all the time is great. but two things i have heard, is better mileage and lower emissions. if you can tune for the same power while doing that, i'm all for it if it is readily available. i mean, why not?
fact is though it isn't, so yeah that convinces me otherwise.

 

yeah, there is always the two maps thing...but like i said, if i can't get it wherever i am going, then i wouldn't do it.

 

E-85 is ghey

 

That's exactly my plan come next spring. Put on a cat, run the test, pass, and take off the cat. I'm more interested in finding out if I can do it, not really whether or not I pass.

 

E 85 will get you worse gas mileage no matter what. It simple has less potential energy in it per volume than gasoline. I'm pretty sure they even admit this on the e-85 website.

Aaron, let use know what settings you end up using to try and get it to pass(like AFR and timing). With a cat, don't they perform optimally with mixtures close to 14.7?

 

The hardest test for our cars to pass is the curb idle test, since they like a rich idle. If you could get the car to idle in closed loop (didn't we already try this, Nik?), then that would be half the battle maybe.

 

I can get my car to idle closed loop. Its not as smooth since its trying to compensate for an already oscillating idle(O2 readings are erratic for BP at idle due to periodic misfire).

Is there some way we can have access to an etest facility to experiment with different settings?

I wonder if pre-mix affects the test negatively. I was also thinking today to run some leaded gas so it would clog up their sensor, but i dont think it would clog it fast enough, and then it smells different too.

 

I have periodic access to e-test machines as I repair them occasionally. But I am limited in how much "playing" that I can do because of evil government people and customers waiting for their tests.

They are actually a pretty cool machine. Press F8 on startup and it boots into Windows, from which you have access to the full test suite. Exhaust gas analysis, dyno tuning, power runs, etc.

 

yeah, i did a little more reading and you are right.
i was previously thinking of something i saw a while back where they could tune leaner with e-85 and they were getting good fuel consumption. what i didn't realize though is they were probably getting LESS power with that tuning than gasoline, so i guess it makes sense they were using less fuel...


anyways, as for the idle thing, you can go decently lean but it will idle rough...even on my stockport NA leaning idle out makes it bad...in fact i even richen idle up from stock to get it smoother (only part of map i richen).

 

At my local garage, unless you just want to look up a vehicle, as soon as you want to test something, it requires you to put in a VIN number. No such thing as "trial runs".

Aaron can probably confirm, or explain a way around that.

 

Even though I live in Quebec where they dont' have emissions testing I'd be interested in knowing how bad mine actually are. When my Air Pump's on the car it's plumbed directly in since I don't have an ACV. I've got a new "OEM Replacement" cat, but don't know where it came from, what it's specs are or if it requires the two stock precats (or whatever they are) to be in good shape to work properly. My two "precats" are hollowed.

I'm running just barely lean on a 12a (tan/brown plugs) with rat's nest removed... I know I'll fail, just not how bad.

Oh well... I'll be ditching the cat for an RB soon, sounds like there might be a market for my new cat once it frees up

Jon

 

Imagine if 110 octane gas was available at every gas station for the same or less money than 87 octane. Interested? How much boost would you be able to run and wouldn't it be cool to have purple flames coming out of your exhaust? ...Can someone explain to me why E85 isn't something we should be supportive of?

A higher octane rating means that a fuel is less volitile and thus has less energy in it. Consequently fuel economy will suffer. In my mind to make a valid E85 comparison an engine should be used that would take advantage of E85 to get the best millage and performance out of it. A high compression turbo engine simply makes sense. From an environmental perspective E85 means less emissions and more importantly fewer greenhouse gases.

 

I agree, we should support E-85! I am planning on building my fuel system to support it since its available here in ottawa.

Here is the thread i was talking about the guy getting his half bridge to pass emissions. He did have a cat tho and airpump. Look for post by scathcart. On the second page he has a results sheet too!

http://www.nopistons.com/forums/inde...pic=53291&st=0

 

It always asks for a VIN and the type of car, but not ever test is an "official" test. You can run it in analyzer mode (or whatever it is called) to simulate a test without sending the results back to the government.

 

Here's something that pissed me off though.2 yrs ago my car passed with an HC of 62ppm with a limit was 73ppm.This year I ran through on a cheap cat and year old tank of gas and I pass with an HC of 32ppm and they now dropped the max to 64ppm,f#ckers.I guess I would have had a tough time if I had kept the old stock cat.Reading some of the posts on the forum ,I recall some places in new york state having a limit higher then 100ppm for HC.If I recall reading correctly a large percentage of the pollution in southern ontario is coming from south of the border.This is nothing more then a government cash grab,nothing new though we all know that.

 

I agree.... I just hope I'll be able to pass this spring when my engine is done for my 88 n/a. It will have a street port, but I will use the stock exhaust manifold, cat and air pump for the test. Plus everything will be new... cases, rotors, lapped irons etc... It better pass or I'll have to pay someone off.

 

It's times like these that I'm thankful for 2 very important things:
1) My 7 is from '87
2) Currently MB has no e-test (knock on wood)

Time to change provinces guys.

 

^ Winnipeg is synonmous with -40C. WTF are you talking about?!? On top of that Ontario the the pollutin'est province in Canada (I believe both per capita and gross amount). We're #1!!

There are real reasons to complain about things, but chalking it up to "their all crooks" or "they take my money from me" doesn't stimulate intelligent debate.

 

True enough, but there is also a hidden agenda on the minds of the goverment, and none of them want to say that is all boils down to new car sales, and the dismal amount of cars sold in the last 3 months. 2 months ago the etest was to be abolished, but now its getting stricter, and it isnt because the goverment wants the province to be cleaner.

 

I don't believe there is much left to debate anyway. The people that feel strongly should write their letters, and the others just accept what is coming.