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Old 03-23-08, 11:11 PM
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FD build up

Finally getting to the fun stuff on this JDM FD that we're building for a customer.
Here's a few shots of the car when it came to us in the fall. The customer barely had it a mnth. Pretty clean and mostly stock.






First thing we did was relocate the coils and remove the abs.


Then we installed the PLX R-500 and the PFC and commander. I'll post pics of those later in the build.

Next was stripping it all down.





Then I removed the engine to install the clutch and delrin mounts. It was a great running engine but it has over 100k on it so I couldn't resist tearing it apart.




Turns out it's in really nice shape, other than the seals being worn right down.
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Of course porting is next, for this season we're trying to keep it somewhat streetable since there's a large build up planned for the engine next winter anyhow. Might as well enjoy cruising in it for atleast one summer before it's completely track only.

Just starting the porting, all I'm doing on it for now is extending a rb street port a little on the secondaries and using my own templates for the primaries, nothing to large.


Here's a shot of the ic, just the beginning of the vmount set up.


I'll post some more pics soon as the build progresses.

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Nice, where did you mount the r-500? I'm installing mine and trying to pic a spot that is not an eye sore.
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That's the trick, I haven't mounted it yet. We just installed it in the glove box for now. We really just wanted to see what afr's the car was running when it came in cause there were some wire's spliced and jumped at the ecu. It was running close to 15psi at the crossover from the small to larger turbo. It looks like it will be taking the place of the radio since he's not running a stereo, next yr the car's getting a bunch more work and will likely never see the street on a regular basis after that so he's not to concerned with the stereo.

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Pics from today.

Secondary port, I'll radius the edges and port match the lim after resurfacing.





Primary ports




The exhaust ports, one is about 80% done. Then I'll make a template of it and use it to make the other the same. Really didn't change the timing much just widened it.





I should have some more pics tomorrow.

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What is he gonna be using as a hood for that vmount setup? What kind of front bumper ducting will be done? What type of efans will the rad setup run? 2 pushers or 1 puller 1 pusher? Really curious about the aer movement in a vmount setup.

ps: I have one in my car but I'm totally reworking it, so i need ideas.
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You'll have to wait and see. The last vmount that I did was on a first gen and in 25* weather you could cruise around all day without the fan even turning on. The only time the fan even came on was in stop and go traffic or idling for a while. I should be getting to the vmount in the next 2wks.

As long as the air has no where else to go but through the rad and the ic, and the pressure is lower on the engine side at high speeds then your good. You also need to make sure the air has somewhere to go after the rad and ic, if the pressure is lower then you don't need to worry about cutting the hood and things like that. Just run some clear tubing (3\16" will work) from the inside of the car out through the window, put one end in front of the rad and the other end behind it, mount the middle of it to a board in a U shape, fill it with a bit of coloured water, mark some increments on the board and have someone hold it while you get up to speed on the highway. If the water goes higher on the engine side then your good. It means you have lower pressure on the eng side and air will flow well through the rad and ic.

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Some pics of the exhaust ports




Here's the new Greddy T78 next to the stock flywheel




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Ok, I'm not trying to be a huge dick here, but you and many others are going to think I am, but I can live with it. We know you have a shop, good for you, you do some nice work, I can respect that, but Jebus man, do you need to post a thread about every car you build?

I know you aren't the only one (this thread was at the top), but I think it's kind of shameful, there are people paying good money to post thread like this. Is it really that hard for the customer to post such threads? Hell even make a new name to post under a new name. There are people that do good work as well, and will rarely post that work, because they don't believe in flogging it, it kind of seems desperate.

I have noticed that you seem to treat some people like they are three years-old; telling them to make their own threads when they were directly asked a question, not very good business sense, but what do I know I'm just a village idiot, and a redneck.

This is merely and observation, and I'm sure I'm not the only one that has noticed it, again I KNOW YOU AREN'T THE ONLY ONE DOING IT.

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Hey Kev. I'm not a customer of BSC. And **** paying the vendor/shop fees to IB just to proclaim to the stupid forum you own a business, go into the lounge and look at the mess between Kevin Landers of RR and Sean of Aspec happening now. We don't need that between the Canadian businesses.

I enjoy anyone posting up a build, whether they own a shop or not, because it gives me ideas and motivates me.



Don't start ****. But I do have a good idea that should come out of this, we should have a sticky at the top posting all the Canadian Places and their location, their flat labour rate, and the work they do. If not on here, than maybe at that other rotary car club

I think the real problem between the shop tension is that when it comes to 7's, their kind of expiring with all the new cars coming out, them becoming more dated, CASC's new 10 year rules and them becoming older/more crashed/more parted out/rusted. What this means is less business for everyone.


Let the guy do what he wants, I appreciate the time and effort him and the others take in doing writeups and taking pictures of all the progress. Keep it up budday!
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I could care less if they pay the fees, but it's just I'm getting sick of seeing new treads on a daily basis about this and that, there are rules yes, some people are following them, so why shouldn't the others, I support CDN business as much as I can, but I don't like stuff being forced down my throat, if the customer posted the pics and said he does great work, that is more respectful, it's like I'm being forced to look at it, I spose I could just ignore the threads made by certain individuals.

Please do NOT get me started on ASPEC!!! I have a car that was unfortunately "built" by them, well it was a shell when I got it! the wiring harness was so butchered I had to use one from my 360k KM Rx7, because it was in better shape! Whoops you meant the American ASPEC, they do nice work! The CDN one... Well thank god they are closed!

I would have posted this in another shops thread, it's just this one was at the top, therefore the easiest (I was being lazy).

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^ Please stay out of this build thread. No one needs to hear you bitch about fee's.

Let Brent post up the build as it comes along. If you have something to contribute, other then your nonsense, then feel free to do so. If not, then stay out of the thread.
Is this so hard to do? I think not.

Back to the Build.

This is my car thats being built at BSC, and I must say, I'm more then excited to get it out on the road this year when she's ready!
Looking great so far Brent, can't wait to see the rest of the progress
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Judging from the response I generally get I believe people enjoy seeing build up threads. That's always been my main attraction to the forums. Not really sure what your issue is with it, I don't post about every car I work on, there's plenty that nobody would be interested in I'm sure.

You will never see me advertise or anything close to it anyones threads, I expect them to treat me with the same respect. If you don't like the threads don't read them.

If the mods don't wish for me to post build up threads let me know and I won't. I would let the customer do it but they all requested that I do it since I know all about it and what's being done. I would prefer they did since it is taking up a lot of my time. Like now, I'm supposed to be watching a movie with my wife but I'm typing this message. Peace,

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I enjoy the write-ups and pics from all the members. I couldn't give a rats *** if they're promoting their own business or just showing off their skills. The Cdn forum is pretty slow at times so if the posts are interesting and informative then who gives a flying f***? sheesh.
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Nismo Convert... for every build thread from BSC, there is a thread dumped on by you, so you really aren't in any position to start criticizing others. At least Brent is contributing useful information to the forum, and not trash like you. Stop being a jealous punk. If you don't like his threads, don't look at them... simple as that!
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Being from the west i was un-aware that Brent Clement is a rotary shop performance owner. that doesnt change the fact that i will enjoy to read a thread that he starts if it is interesting and informative. i see no problem with shop owners sharing there knowledge and skills for the DIYers to learn from. sharing knowledge is what this forum is all about.

On the other hand i believe that this forum is also about speaking your mind, and if Nismo Convert has somthing to get off his chest. let him do it. a little drama and difference of opinion also makes things interesting to read in the "sometimes slow posting canadian section".

if u want to harp on someone who is trying to make a fast buck i would suggest u point the finger at the jdm importers who advertise there cars for sale on this forum. most of them dont know the first thing about rotarys and are just tryin to take advantage of the free for sale section. that is suppose to be reserved for personal members.
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Okay, let's end this here now. I have noticed this trend as of recent aswell. I personally have been holding off to see how things would transpire.

Nismo Convert86: your Initial thoughts are well accepted but not well appreciated being declared. What I mean by this Is that If their was an Issue that you felt strongly about you may approach either myself or vipernicus42 to resolve or correct whatever matter their Is. We are moderators of this forum so this Is our job.

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Originally Posted by B6T
Nismo Convert... for every build thread from BSC, there is a thread dumped on by you, so you really aren't in any position to start criticizing others. At least Brent is contributing useful information to the forum, and not trash like you. Stop being a jealous punk. If you don't like his threads, don't look at them... simple as that!
I am not jealous at all, and I don't think I called anyone a name but you think I am a punk thats cool thats your opinion, it's good you have one.

I don't see any skills that Brent has over me(I am a Millwright by trade), he just has access to the tools to do it, and he has made the commitment to make his hobby into a job, good for him, it doesn't always work out, and I am happy to see it's working for him so far; it's good that people that don't know have the knowhow, skills or ability to do things like rebuild or swaps and have places like Brent's to turn to.

And with this "trash" I think Brent has got more views of his work so he got more exposure.
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Sorry, I have to say something else about my "lack" of contribution to the forum, there are two ways to contribute, ONline, and OFFline, most of mine is OFFLINE, come to almost any meet, or cruise and I will be there, I don't know how many man hours and hundreds of dollars in gas I have spent trying to make an interesting and enjoying cruise(hell I even allow people to sleep in my house to keep the costs down for them); now I am not alone in this there are many that help, and to many it all goes unseen because it's not ONline. Until you do that you don't know how stressful it can be, there is always something you miss, and never thought of.

I don't do any of it to benefit me, I do it because I enjoy my car, and I want others to be able to enjoy theirs as much as I do mine, plain and simple, I could care less if I get recognition for it, but I wouldn't question my devotion to the Rx7 community for one second, if anyone still questions it I hope to see you at the Summer Bruce County meet, it should be in July or August.
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I'm really not sure what to tell you Nismo. I don't know you personally and don't claim to, which means I won't be making statements or assumptions as to your character.
That's great that your a millwright, we have a lot in common as far as trades go. There were times that I wanted to switch from Tool and Die to your trade. More along the lines of what I enjoy.

As far as the advertising aspect goes, there have been many posts by shops on here displaying products that they have for sale and your on me about something that a customer wants me to post for him?
I should start a false account so I can sneak around? I'm not big on bullshit sorry, why do you think I made the account in my name? People online in general like to hide behind user names, I'm not referring to you or anyone specifically just ranting now.
I'm sorry that you have a chip on your shoulder about all this, it would seem to me that you are the minority in this view and that you will ruin it for others that enjoy these threads.
Have you noticed how few posts I have? It's because of all the crap that gets flung at you every time you try to help someone. All this stuff hurts the forum, it makes it harder for people to get help when they have a problem. There are quite a few good shops out there that you will never see posting on here because they find it's a complete waste of time for this reason.
Not to mention I'm not exactly hurting for work, I have a small shop it's not like it takes much to keep me busy.

As for the rest of you, thanks for the support and I'm glad you enjoy the threads, however I won't be posting them anymore. If customers wish to than I'm assuming they're free to do so.

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Brent, you seriously going to let the guy influence your activity on the forums now? If you have a build up, then why not post it, who gives a **** what people say unless it's a moderator or someone of that sort of authority to tell you otherwise. I personally enjoy your threads here and uni, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. If you get one bad apple, just throw it out right? Keep up the excellent work.
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Thanks Hai, and the others for the support. I thought I was within my rights as a regular member but it's a bit of a grey area I guess. If you guys want to see more pics let thebisnac know since it's his car and he'll post some for you. I need to respect the rules of the forum even if others are bending them all to hell and getting away with it.

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hey i am anewbie and i like to see these threads this is informaitve, to see what others are doing and how.

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As long as shop owners aren't using the threads to try and sell things, I love seeing them.

Anybody who puts a good deal of time and effort into a build deserves to showcase it, and I think a great many people enjoy reading these threads, regardless of who is posting them.

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^^ Thanks for the input, you've been very helpful and respectful. It's much appreciated.

As most people may have noticed I'm not trying to sell anything so I guess I will continue on with the thread as the car progresses and those that don't wish to have it shoved down their throats can choose not to keep looking.

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