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Turblown 02-17-13 07:58 PM

Any updates?

Havoc 02-17-13 10:58 PM

Na not yet. Cars still with my mechanic, its the start of the drag season so his been working on some of the other cars and should have mine finished this week ! will keep everyone posted :)

Havoc 02-26-13 05:45 AM

Well apparently all the work has been done, just needs to get rebooked in with the dyno guys. So that may be this week, maybe next. Will keep you posted.

Turblown 02-27-13 08:18 AM

And video!

Havoc 03-13-13 01:41 AM

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Prob wont get a video (Ive asked and asked... but I wont be there during the tune so cant get one done :( )

BUT - All work is complete and tune is booked in for tomorrow.

Also going to tune to 18psi on our shitty pump fuels so will see what happen's ! :)

WG's seem to be working a treat currently ! so will wait for some feedback :)

Stringbean 03-13-13 02:15 PM

Can't wait for dyno numbers! Love the engine bay! And the equally spaced symmetrical pipes! Super clean!!!

Following!

Havoc 03-27-13 07:44 AM

408 rwhp at 18psi :)

will post dyno later tonight, bit of an ordeal getting car to and fro but happy just to have it home and making some power :)

Havoc 03-27-13 07:45 AM

gota say it spools so bloody early compaired to my last turbo its a bit of a joke ! :)

Havoc 03-27-13 09:00 AM

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dyno runs

Clubuser 03-27-13 12:14 PM


Originally Posted by Havoc (Post 11419660)
408 rwhp at 18psi :)

:scratch: surprised not seeing 1K "408 @ 18 psi? shouldn't it be more like 500+??" type responses!!

Havoc 03-27-13 04:21 PM

we have lower octane fuel down here and our dyno read lower as welll. It s prob a good 450 up there in the US.

OrdinaryRX7 03-27-13 06:55 PM

Such a beautiful build

Havoc 04-04-13 05:00 AM

Thanks mate :)

Well back at work today (been on holidays for the past week in Cape leveque - awesome place !). I Haven't taken it for another drive yet (will on the weekend) but thought Id overlay the dyno charts and see how they looks.

Just show how quick and how much more power you get early in the chart compared to the old 60-1 with a 1:15 AR. I know the EP would of helped but that's a big pick up in low down power :)

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-N...s+overlaid.JPG

Clubuser 04-05-13 12:23 PM


Originally Posted by Havoc (Post 11420151)
we have lower octane fuel down here and our dyno read lower as welll. It's prob a good 450 up there in the US.

my guess is dyno read lower and/or fuel has lower energy concentration than US's. obviously the octane amount is there for it to not self distruct @ 18 psi.

regardless, I'd be ecstatic if what's under your hood was under mine!!

and reguarding boost/power response: wouldn't believe it if you had simply told me.

Havoc 04-05-13 09:29 PM

fuck me drunk its quick ! the other night I dont think I took night past 6000 rpm. so didnt get a good feel to how well it goes.

Gave it wash and went for a quick spin. fuck me. Im running 285's on the rear and smokes them up in 1, 2, and 3rd easy as (4th I not game to try)

Went and picked my brother up to take for a lap (his got a 510 rwhp V8 R8 commodor) one quick spin looked at me and just went :blush: "yeh you win" hahaha

Is a fucking ball tearer, this is way to much hp for the street (never thought there would be a good limit) the low down hp is just so transient Im very very happy with it right now :)

bumpstart 04-05-13 10:13 PM


Originally Posted by Havoc (Post 11420151)
we have lower octane fuel down here and our dyno read lower as welll. It s prob a good 450 up there in the US.

and the last dyno is showing 10 % less than the previous before that dyno when compared on the same tune ,, weeks apart

had you gone back to rotomotion.. on that dyno it would be reading closer to 440 rwhp

PS
if you wish i have an unbiased contact with 1500 hp DD dyno ( only one in perth ) and can get you unbiased power and AFR runs for around $80 ish

Turblown 04-06-13 12:32 AM

I always tell everyone the tdx61 is the ultimate street turbo, and one will never be able to use its full potential on the street. The turbo is good to 25psi and even with drag radials you won't hook. Take bump start up on his offer, and get a video this time :).

Havoc 04-07-13 11:47 PM


Originally Posted by bumpstart (Post 11430531)

PS
if you wish i have an unbiased contact with 1500 hp DD dyno ( only one in perth ) and can get you unbiased power and AFR runs for around $80 ish

Will do bumps :) just a bit broke at the moment ! Just need to save up some coin and pay off some of the Credit card bill :)

+ ideally want to get a drag run in soon (and hope I don't destroy anything :) )

pontiackid 04-10-13 08:39 PM

I'd like to request a few more shots of that gorgeous engine bay!

VICEdOUT 04-12-13 08:20 PM

I'm surprised you are not catching hell for that turbo oil return line angle :lol::dunce::wave:

Turblown 04-13-13 07:44 AM

Turbo sits high enough where that tiny bit of uphill near the end doesn't matter...

Havoc 04-15-13 12:06 AM


Originally Posted by pontiackid (Post 11435633)
I'd like to request a few more shots of that gorgeous engine bay!

Haha will have to dig some up :)



Originally Posted by VICEdOUT (Post 11437557)
I'm surprised you are not catching hell for that turbo oil return line angle :lol::dunce::wave:

Well then I guess your surprised.
No issues at all.

Also just need to sort some interior things out, but I do plan to make it down to the drags one night coming soon. Just hope I don't have traction issues. Will be interesting to see what I get ! :)

mstrmnd 04-15-13 03:27 PM

that has to be the sexiest engine bay if ive ever seen one

Lunchpail J 04-29-13 01:47 AM

This car is sweeeeet. Nice build

Havoc 04-29-13 07:20 AM

Thanks :)

Some from the weekends cruise (its starting to get a bit cooler at night now, the engine is loving it :)

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-T...38571723_n.jpg

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Havoc 05-22-13 10:23 PM

So went to the drags last night to see what it would run ..

So as you know getting good HP.
Though I had good grip but how I was wrong. I'm running perilli Pzero 285's on the rear (had about 32psi in them)

First run:
useless, launched at about 4K, smoked the wheels in first , 2nd , 3rd then just went this is a joke and rolled through.

Went to pit area and reduced the type pressure (with a gauge that was no help)

2nd run:
useless, launched at about 3K, smoked the wheels in first , 2nd , 3rd, slowed down heap put it in 4th got some speed up, hit about 7K and smoked the wheels again before crossing.

Fuck.

so lined up again.

Found someone with a tyre pressure gauge (was running 25psi) so reduce the types down to 20psi. I also have adjustable suspension so made it stiffer on the rear

Was a bit overconfident to think that would all help.... lined up. was my worst run. Smoked 1 st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th! by half track backed off and just dribbled through at the end

Then was a bit late, nothing had broken so thought would head home.

So was fun.. But no results. I think the best I did was a 14 sec with a 182km/h (where I still smoked 4th before crossing the line)

Anyway will try again next year (next week is the last of the season for us)

(PS: what Semi slicks should I go, traction is my weakness now !)

Adam Orkiszewski 08-10-13 03:55 AM

[QUOTE=Havoc;11475434 I also have adjustable suspension so made it stiffer on the rear

(PS: what Semi slicks should I go, traction is my weakness now !)[/QUOTE]

Going stiffer is the worst thing you could have done. Make it softer and watch her go.

P.S why doesn't your dyno print out show you AFR's? that is far more important than what the car had prior to being tuned.

P.P.S as you know we have really crappy fuel in WA now a days. And I gotta say you got some balls tuning to 18 PSI. All the more reason to see where the AFR's are and what WOT timing it is getting..My bet is that you have about 3-4 degrees advance and that is generous.

Havoc 08-11-13 08:21 AM


Originally Posted by Adam Orkiszewski
Going stiffer is the worst thing you could have done. Make it softer and watch her go.

P.S why doesn't your dyno print out show you AFR's? that is far more important than what the car had prior to being tuned.

P.P.S as you know we have really crappy fuel in WA now a days. And I gotta say you got some balls tuning to 18 PSI. All the more reason to see where the AFR's are and what WOT timing it is getting..My bet is that you have about 3-4 degrees advance and that is generous.

hey mate. sorry soft is not right, stiff is the go (but not to stiff)
I didn't ask for afr. once its set don't need to track as I have a wide band setup on the haltech anyway.
18 has been fine to date. I know full well how crap perth fuels are.

my issue is old tyres full write up on ausrotary.

texFCturboII 08-16-13 08:47 AM

Such a beautiful build! Well done!

Havoc 10-07-13 11:16 PM

Quick clip from the weekend.


Im running 285's perreli Pzeros but as you can see you floor it in 2nd and it just loses traction. Need to find some Semi slicks that will tame the power :)

Havoc 10-09-13 09:11 AM

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-p...88299282_n.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-_...73498476_n.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-w...73760023_n.jpg

some from the weekend :)

clokker 10-09-13 09:19 AM

Umm...wow.

tito_racing 10-11-13 09:59 PM

Really awesome build!

tito_racing 10-11-13 10:01 PM

Engine bay is super clean. Well done.

Supralover 11-01-13 07:33 PM

very nice awsome.

Ionix 11-09-13 01:55 PM

how hard is it to convert to rhd

Havoc 11-11-13 06:39 AM

convert? we are all right hand drive here mate :)

VICEdOUT 07-20-14 09:47 PM

Awesome build and footage, hows the car running, any updates ? I would like to know and if everyone knowledgeable can elaborate, up until what RPM is the GTX35R good for (on a 13B-REW) ? I keep reading on that it dies and falls on it's face at high RPM but here it's taken to 7500 without any issues ? Will it keep spooling strong to 8000 RPM (or maybe even higher) without any power loss / drops at high boost 20-25 psi ? How about with a large street intake port and the Pinneaple EP5A large turbo exhaust porting with a GTX35R will that help the top end ? I really want a Tial SS turbine housing, fast spool up to red line, and 500 + streetable HP without jumping to a huge turbo that will just burn rubber uncontrollably everytime the pedal goes WOT and takes forever to spool up..

Turblown 07-24-14 07:57 PM


Originally Posted by VICEdOUT (Post 11771952)
Awesome build and footage, hows the car running, any updates ? I would like to know and if everyone knowledgeable can elaborate, up until what RPM is the GTX35R good for (on a 13B-REW) ? I keep reading on that it dies and falls on it's face at high RPM but here it's taken to 7500 without any issues ? Will it keep spooling strong to 8000 RPM (or maybe even higher) without any power loss / drops at high boost 20-25 psi ? How about with a large street intake port and the Pinneaple EP5A large turbo exhaust porting with a GTX35R will that help the top end ? I really want a Tial SS turbine housing, fast spool up to red line, and 500 + streetable HP without jumping to a huge turbo that will just burn rubber uncontrollably everytime the pedal goes WOT and takes forever to spool up..

Havoc is running our tdx61r, not a gtx35r.

Havoc 07-25-14 12:41 AM

Updates: Well bits and pieces.

after the last poor drag performance I wanted to fix some of the issued.
Had all the suspension checked over and was basically fine.
Replaced the rubber and now running Toyo R888 x 285's and hooked up great.

Went down to the drags again and hooked great, powered through 1, 2, 3 then clutch let go... fuck.. so got it home and get the clutch out and I warped all the plates in the clutch (to much power..)

So went with a proper direct clutch unit (6 puck twin plate)

So grips now, clutch is good. just another 3 months till the drags re-open.

Issues: Power steering is doing something funny. Need to look into.
To do: line locker to install. New passenger seat. Want to get the new Haltech elite, then can think about going with a E85 fuel and turning it up a bit.

Just middle of winter here and to wet to use it to much, bring on summer :)

If I go E85 with 25psi I cant see this not killing the 500hp mark. (which is still stupid for a street car - I cant even use 400 on the roads properly)

sucks that injectors alone to go the E85 path are close to $1K...

Shainiac 07-25-14 07:35 AM

Check ebay for "NGI-2" injectors. They are genuine Bosch 2200cc/min injectors for $80 and are what most companies rebrand as their own 210# or 2200cc injectors. you can buy the "tophat" adapters for less than $20 to mate them to RX7 fuel rails. ~$400 for 8800cc/min of fuel flow.

Havoc 07-26-14 02:34 AM

its cool, I will likely just save up for ID's get 2x2200 and 2x1300.
dont have rail issues with my setup.

Personally still want to flip back to 98 when I have to so the new 1300 they do should be ok for drivablity and primaries.

will go the new fuel flex sensor.

Havoc 01-11-15 11:06 PM

Small update, got some injectors but are just gathering dust untill I decide to upgrade computers and the like. Want to go the new haltech with the Fuel Flex sensor.

But car is back on the road are stuffing about with electic power steering pumps. I Killed the first one to running the wrong oil type (just put normal PS fluid in it). So pump died, bought another pump, 2 months later it bnever arrived got refund, bought another from the UK and came in 2 weeks, installed it and then waited a week for the right oil to come in...

So got it all installed and working a treat, this pump is a alot quieter so is either happy on the new fluid of the old pump may have always been on its way out.

Just a quick pic of it washed before a drive on Friday after work :) weather is awesome here right now, might try to get some vids up. (though was 112 deg fahrenheit last week so is allot cooler now)

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-6...109_181721.jpg

Havoc 01-13-15 05:16 AM

Quick vid of it all cooling down.

Havoc 01-14-15 06:40 PM

So went down to the track last night and had fun. I think my previous best was a 13.5 at 240rwhp. So considering I how have 400wrhp I do expect to go allot better (didnt do as well as I hoped but was good fun)

Grip on the Semi's - Feels great, on my last run tried to use the rev's alot more. (didn't do any burn outs as didnt need it)
Clutch - awesome, holds sweet all track now.
Engine - still running a bit high on the boost 1.4bar but sounds strong
Gearbox - sounding shit - its a 100km round trip to the drags for me and fuck it whines like a bitch. Only 5th is it almost quiet. On the night I really felt like 2nd just wouldn't engage (feels like 2 seconds when your driving but in the Vids its bad but not killer)

So I wasn going to upgrade CPU's, change injectors(already purchased some ID's) an get E85 and go HP. But I think I should be spending what Ive saved on a new box.

So really its a 20 year old gear box, its bound to have some issues... (suggestions?)
TKO600?
What about a Auto?
Something more modern? aftermarket something with paddle shift? (dreaming I think)
What about those constant variable boxes?

Anyway will do some research.


Havoc 06-17-16 04:08 AM

Just some minor updates. Working on fitting the T56 gearbox with the quicktime adapter bell housing. Rear mount starter which apparently has issued of not fitting.. (nothing some grinding didnt fix)

And been playing with some 3D printing to mount some of my controllers and the like. Got sick of cable ties and shit sitting in glove boxes.


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...cb14aa0c21.jpg

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KNONFS 06-23-16 03:41 PM

^ NICE

Do you have any under car pics of the T56 installed?

Havoc 06-24-16 12:27 AM

Na, just got the jack adapter to help pull the old box out - im sure it will clash somewhere but ones its in Ill get some pictures.

Havoc 09-06-16 09:12 PM

Guys I did a write up the the Tr6060 install on Ausrotary.

AusRotary.com ? View topic - T56 TR6060 to FC3S conversion

Worked out really well with not a lot of Mods. Dont know why there are some threads making this sounds like its a hard process.

Just some pic's I hope they link ok from AR.


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...5f170efbb7.jpg

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Shainiac 09-07-16 10:18 AM

That swap looks awesome! Looks like you go a smoking deal on that gear box. Pretty much any manual trans that can bolt to a LS engine has skyrocketed in the past few years. T-56s regularly go for over $2000USD! Fortunately the TR6060 is a little cheaper, but harder to come by. Fortunately that bellhousing adapter is also about half the price USD here as well.
Did you have to modify the input shaft at all? What all was involved in swapping the clutch splines over, did an independent clutch shop do the work or the clutch manufacturer?
I’d love to do this swap in conjunction with a Ford 8.8” IRS swap and never have to worry about driveline again. Please keep us updated.


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