i just read that ur running a E6K with the autronic CDI box. I remember the first time i hooked up the 500R box to my E6X setup i had a few years back. And i can remember that the ignition got "hard" and rough. It was some setting i had to change in the ignition setup. But i can't remember what it is. But if it aint the coils, it's something with the ignition setup on the haltech. I got it to work ok, but i never got my E6X to work properly.

bdw now that u have a Autronic CDI box u should talk to Enzo and get the last parts u need to complete a full Autronic setup. :)

Im not regretting converting the ECU from Haltech to Autronic. The SM4 is so easy to work with. And the autotune system works like a charm. It's so easy to tune cruising values now :)

JT

Welcome back Carlos. Glad you made it back from the sand pit.

JT:

If the all of the troubleshooting and eventual coils replacement does not do it, I suspect I'll be seriously looking at an SM4 or Motec's new M2R. Should have a pretty good idea by next week.

gracer7-rx7:
Needless to say it's great to be back home. Kearned a lot, and I felt like I served my country where it needed me most.

A nice reward for making it out in one piece was a replacing my old E36 M3 daily driver...:rock:

No sure which of the Forum gods I pissed off this morning, but none of my picture displayed. I'll give it another go at flaunting my daily squeeze....

Nice. Still like the FD better though. :)

Carlos,
Nice to see you back in town. Tell your wife thanks for the great deal on the M3!!! Just hit 150k the other day and still running strong.

Your CYM is looking great and I like the new addition as well...now the question is which one stays in the garage??

I will post some pics of the E36 M3 so you can think back to the old days...

Mike

Mike:

What a small (car enthusiast) world! My wife wasn't sure who it sold to, but mentioned that it was a fellow "car geek" (as she describe any enthusiast including myself).

You should stop my sometime and bring the M3... sure would be nice to meet and swap car tales. Send me a PM if you're up for it.


My CYM's pet (no sheit) :

Well, about a week ago I had the interesting experience of finding out that my CYM had been keeping a pet while I was away. As much as it would like to keep it, I think it's going to have to go.... what do you think! :shocking:

Crap ! is that a Black Widow !

Marcel:

Yeah, that's the third one I've found in this home in 14 years. It's kind of funny, because I've come to recognize the very chaotic web design before I actually see the Black Widows themselves. Kinda scarey from a myraid of perspectives!

Update:

Ok, so finally got a timing light on the engine and as I suspected from the kick-back during first starting, the ignition timing was way off... 180 degrees off! I put the timing light on the front and then rear trailing plug wires, and sure enough, the firing sequence was swapped. So I swapped the the trailing coil -> sparkplug wiring (i.e. T1 coil to T2 sparkplug and vice versa) and there was an marked improvement. I figured I had inadvertantly either screwed up the ECU -> CDI or the CDI -> coils wiring. After checking the continuity on all of the pins on the ECU -> CDI harness as well as the CDI -> coils harness, I got a surprise. Now get this, they all check out correct!!! WTF!!

So later tonight, I'm going to test fire all four of the CDI channels individually to confim that it's not of the source of the firing problem, If this check 4.0, then I'll put an oscillascope on the Haltech E6K. I'm going to crack this nut yet!:bash:

LX92 Coils mounting solicitation:

I found that the Mercury Marine coils in the T2 position had a cracked ferrite. This is a common failure mode for the MM coils, and it has reinforced my considerations of a different coil setup. I'm leaning towards either LX92 coils or a pair IGN-1-CD coils from Brain at BMEP Fuel & Tuning.

The LX92 are rather relatively large compared to any of coils I've previous considered. Though I can easily arrange a couple under the LIM (Leading?) , I'm at a loss in my setup where to place the other two (Trailing?). So since you're reading this, I could use you're help, especially if you're using the LX92 coils...

Could anyone who has mounted Crane LX92 (or LX91) coils PLEASE post pictures depicting where/how they are mounted. Most of my initial design ideas would require unacceptably long high-tension wire lengths. For that matter, I'd appreciate pictures of any aftermarket coil(s) mounting design. I could use some inspirations on this one.

Black widows have a strange web, almost like pulled cotton...Yea, Ive seen a lot of them and I have learned to pick the webs out as well...brown windows have a similar web, id stay away from either one though:)

Well u can then guess what happend to my MM coils. Right now i have the coils mounted where my ABS unit was, i got a RHD car. I think i will be doing a new bracket for the coils there i think. Not sure yet but will see what i do. I have seen them mounted on the left wheel well, behind the main fuse box for the battery.

Or u can mount them infront of the PS/AC units. Some ppl have it there as well. And if it's only 2 coils it will not take alot of space either.

JT

I've broke the ferrite on a set of MM coils as well.

It made me design a proper mounting system for them.

I had to make it shock proof as most race cars will vibrate everything apart and if your not prepared for it, it will break or loosen many bolts..

now that i have them mounted free of vibration i haven't had any issues..

Just remember whether your using MSD, Crane, MM coils, all need to be free from vibration or sooner or later they will break as well.

My buddy's race car replaces all his MSD coils (HVC's) every 6 months whether there broke or not.

Carlos,

Love the new daily driver! Excellent choice in exterior / interior color combo! How do you like it compared to your old '95?

I hope you check your PM, I've got some things to help you with your current ignition dilemma :)

Take care,

Mike Gallagher

Carlos, have you looked into GM LS1 coils? They've got a lot of spark energy, and OEM quality. I haven't heard anyone complain about them yet. Simply converting to 4 coils should yield a marked improvement since the leading coils now have twice as long to charge, you can increase the dwell time without worrying about running them too hot due to high duty cycle.


Firing 180 degees out of phase sounds like your ECU is sending a different signal than the ignition amplifier is expecting. Try changing your edge-triggering settings (leading to falling, or vice versa) and see if that helps.

I'm assuming you've already told the ECU that you have four coils and want to fire them sequentially rather than in wasted-spark mode. Otherwise one of your leading coils might not be firing at all, I'm sure you'd notice that pretty quickly.

-s-

Can't use the LS1 coils with a CDI box. And tbh with the power he's putting out i would not run LS1 coils. A CDI box with some decent coils is far superior to the LS1 coils.

JT

[QUOTE=Carlos Iglesias;7482384]Marcel:

Yeah, that's the third one I've found in this home in 14 years. It's kind of funny, because I've come to recognize the very chaotic web design before I actually see the Black Widows themselves. Kinda scarey from a myraid of perspectives!


fu%%$$$.....i wouldve moved once i saw that shiiiiiittt!!!!

[Edit] Out with the old
 

... reposted edit due to timeout ...

Well, the 500R/E6K install officially kicked my arse! To make matters worse, I've just moved within 9 miles of Leguna Seca, which in turn has compounded my impatience with having the car down. So in the great traditions of slackers, I'm "throwing the baby out with the bath water:" Goodbye Haltech, hello Motec (M4).

After personally installing four different previous ECU's in my RX-7, and having tuned all but my first Petitt "unlimited" ecu, I'm going a different route this time. I've enlisted the expertise of Paul Yaw (Yaw Power). Though I'll do the install, Paul will provide the hardware/software support and tuning oversight. We've been in counsel all week on the initial setup and the initial design draft includes ECU management of:

OUTPUTS:

• Traction Control (3 or 4 channel)
• Boost Control (Multiple inputs)
• Fuel Pumps
• IAC

INPUTS:

• Intake (MAP) & exhaust manifold pressure (EMAP)
• Fuel Pressure (Differential)
• TPS
• Air Temp
• Coolant Temp
• Wheel Speed (3 or 4 channel)
• Voltage
• EGT (?)

Ignition. Though I'm still 90% committed to implementing the Autronic 500R, I haven't completely ruled out going with a more traditional Bosch 4-channel inductive ignition. Along similar lines, I'm fairly certain the ignition with be a no-split firing, but this is another major design choice I'll still have to bounce off of Paul before finalizing.

Needless to say, more to follow. So if you get a sadistic thrill out of watching the "upgrade misery" of other, then stay tune...:crzyeye:

I dont know why you guys fool w/ elaborate ignition systems. There are people making 600-700 hp at high boost levels w/ no ignition problems on the hks twin power. I know its not a true upgraded coil system only a box that enhances spark but it works!

G's 3rd Gen: First off, I'll have to admit to being a staunch champion of Voltaire's, "The Best is the Enemy of the Good." I've found this attitude especially prevasive in things I put my name to. Perhaps I do suffer from technology for technology's sake (i.e. overkill).

Could you share with me (and anyone reading this post) exactly who is making "...700 at high boost w/ no problems on the HKS twin power."

I'd also bet there isn't a "road racing" application in the bunch, as it's a whole different can of worms to run an ignition system hard for a few second (e.g. 1/4 mile or autox) or forupwards of an hour at a time in my applications.

Carlos the 500R will have no problems firing all fours coils with split.
Just remember to seperate the leading and trailing coils so they each use one capacitor on the 500R.

Also glad to see your getting a quality ecu. You can't go wrong with either a motec or autronic.

You'll be in good hand's with paul as well...
If you need anything don't be afraid to ask...

Enzo

Paul Yaw is a mad man... the guy comes up with crazy ideas that just work. Probably one of the best if not the best rotary guru around. I am fortunate to know Glen, who closely worked with and was taught by Paul Yaw and has thus been successful with AZ Rotary Rockets. Good luck with your setup. Motec + 500R is a setup I contemplated for a long time. However, the money involved to run that setup pushes me away.

Been looking for you? Send me an Email
 

Hey Buddy, finally found you. Send me an email. We have moved from Seattle. Would love to catch up.




** I removed the email** shoot him a PM.

Just stop buying and selling so many damn parts and save up!:D its worth every penny IMO.

Got wires... here goes again with Blackboxes V2.0. More to follow, with some help from the "locals"...



Oh yeah, the E6K with partially terminated harness is heading to a classified section near you. :)

i hate you

I have the same dash unit :)

Dang, too much money...........

Pink Slips
 

I hear you race for Pink Slips!
Is that true?
We are game. LOL!!!!
Thunder Hill or Infinion.
Nice to meet you face to face.
Yellow car is suppose to be ready for the 21,22,23rd.

GG

What did you get ? the strada pr the pista ? I have mine molded into my dash ! https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generation-specific-1993-2002-16/digital-dash-pics-647119/ . Now I am having a "micky mouse" pod put on so that I can put in a pair of PLx DM200's

Where did you get the -20 AN lines and fittings? I can't find them anywhere!

Sean They say that Great Minds...

dregg100 I love you too, MAN!! :)

Viking WJ Sounds like you have too much time; guess which one is more precious in life?! Needless to say, your car is running and I'm only 2/3rds of the way through my projects. :wallbash:

Grey Ghost I like "GG", it's got a certain "je ne sais qua" that make you sound very high-falutin . ;)

Looking forward to maybe taking you up on the throwdown sometime in the near future. Just gotta get my weapon of choice sharpened again! Till then, I'll just look forward to consoling myself with sharing our car craziness.

Marcel It's a Pista model. Nice job on the install, but somehow I couldn't overcome the urge to compromise and keep the OEM dash fully functional. I suspect that'll change in the near future. BTW, which Dash did you go with, and how do you like it so far.

w00t Seek and yea shall find:

• [*]

Now if you'll look at the prices, I'll remind you of the old say that goes,
Be careful for you ask for (especially if it's Aeroquip), for you may get it! :crzyeye:
.
.
.
.

Thanks a lot!

This is going to add up very fast..

I went with the STRADA and i'm loving it ! I didnt need the data logging , since my car is mainly a street ride. My ne computer also has 8 gigs available for logging !

Got my room and banquet tix for SevenStock finally, though admitted not in my favorite "fuel-to-noise convertor"... hope to see some of ya'll there!

Emap
 

Blackboxes Vers 2.0 installation is 99% complete. Here's a couple of teasers with more over the next couple of weeks.

See if you can play "Where's Waldo" with the upgrades...

nice work on the details:)

Very nice build, I am very impressed. To date have you had any problems with the Craig Davies water pump or controller? And approximately how many hours do you figure you have on it? I have one and have been considering running it for some time, my two only concerns thus far have been longevity on the street, and no thermostat being a problem with warm-up. Any input?

+1 on the questions regarding longevity and efficacy.

I'll venture to answer regarding the thermostat. The controller acts as a thermostat, reducing the coolant flow until the desired temperature is reached.

I'm looking really strongly at running one on my 20B. A bloke from the UK has a big single 20B cosmo (street use) running the DC EWP and controller and reports that he has had zero issues. Nothing but good according to him.

Hmmmm....

So could this mean that I'll be seeing you at some track events in 2009? I get lonely being the only FD. :)

The only issue I thought could come is that it doesn't act exactly like a thermostat; although it does regulate flow, it does not bypass coolant to within the block alone. In order to get up to temp, all of the coolant in the block and rad would need to warm up, I'm just curious as to how much longer this would take from stock thermostat/waterpump.

Good to hear about the EWP, if it can flow enough for a 20B, it certainly will flow more than adequate amounts for a 13B.

Howard: Thanks! As one of the standard barers in this community, I very much appreciate your feedback.

Trots I've got less then a hundred hours on the DC EWP and controller, so I can't vouch for it's reliability. Best I can give you is, "So far so good."

I'd be hard pressed to break-out my coolant system's efficacy by component. Ducting, radiator design and the EWP/Controller all play a part. Of course, the oil system also plays an indirect role. That said, the EWP is able to maintain my H2O temps within 4-6 degrees, and I have never seen any signs of the coolant system being stressed. Thanksfully, I expect my projected HP decreased from E 85 to further reduce the possibley of thermal overloading.

Regarding it's warmup cycle, you're right in that it doesn't bypass the radiator while the engine is warming up. I can only offer that I have never noticed inordinately long warm-up periods since I've had the EWP setup. I dare say that the warm-up time is not a factor in rotaries, much less boosted one.

Gracer7 I can only hope my brother!!! Unfortauntely, I've given up Laguna due to the 9X dB limit... I think I idle louder than that. :wallbash: Hoping to be ready mid-Feb. Have you registered for any events this year? Might light a bigger fire under my arse!

I'm not sure I'm hitting Laguna either but we have Infineon and Thunderhill not too far away. :)

My wife is even coming with me to an event. If a girl can do it... ;)

Hooked on Driving is going to be at Thunderhill on Sat Jan 31. That might be my season opener. I expect to do one event a month so give me a call if you want to plan something.

cheers.

Blackboxes in-cabin spiral developement.

The Deutsch HDP-20 connector is mated to the stock ecu harness firewall "grommet" in the right edge of both of the first two pictures. Though it's also at the (left) end of main ECU harness connector in the third bench picture, it's much less obvious.

After figuratively jamming a knife in my leg to offset the pain of Deutsch crimper prices, I've come to love EVERYTHING every Deutsch connector I've ever used. If you're serious about wiring, it's definitely well worth it!

Awesome setup man! Props on a great looking engine bay and with everything fabricated that just makes it even more sexy :) I was wondering if you could answer a dumb question for me. What is going on in this pic?

https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...0&d=1115610858

Edit: I think I just figured it out :doh: that must be the "electric" part of the electric water pump, lol. You have to excuse my ignorance.

Couple questions:

1) The CDI box seems scarily close to your Motec. You're not worried about interference? Sorry if that's a dumb question, I've just not researched the shielding/spacing requirements that thoroughly.

2) Did you purchase those flanges on the EWP that you welded the hard pipes to "off the shelf", or did you have them custom fabricated? If the former, might I enquire as to where?

Awesome car, sir.
Thank you kindly for sharing.
ryan

[QUOTE

Marcel It's a Pista model. Nice job on the install, but somehow I couldn't overcome the urge to compromise and keep the OEM dash fully functional. I suspect that'll change in the near future. BTW, which Dash did you go with, and how do you like it so far.

.[/QUOTE]

After using the MXL for a while I decided to sell it , I did not like the fact that although it sampled many items in the data stream , it could only show 8 at a time ! to see the rest you need to reconnect the laptop and reprogram. I also switched from the autronic SM2 to the ViPec V88 / link Storm computer , http://www.vi-pec.com/page_files/V88.html.
At the first attempt , the V88 + MXL connection did not work, this sealed the deal for me! Racepacks' interface worked so I started looking around and decided to switch to the Racepak 250-DS UDXSR,http://www.racepak.com/Components/UDX.php , which is a better more capable , more street friendly dash in my opinion.



I assume the little ss box is a seperation / expansion pot ? What about temperature ? do you anticipate high temps getting to the pressure sensor ?
Nice work as usual , I wish I could get my wireing to look half as good !!

Hondahater: You got it... that's the DC Electic Water Pump and plumbing. Unfortuantely, packaging challenges are reflected in the final design's lack of elegance. Guess I'll just have to take solice in "form following function" having an elegance of it's own.

Calculon: Thanks for the compliment! Here's a couple of answers with elaboration:
Marcel:

Wow. That is just amazing. The packaging of the boxes and wiring is incredibly clean.

Did you ever get this 500R to work properly with the E6K. I just received my 500r and will be running it on the E8.
My friend say your diagram and said it was correct but had the wrong setup (falling rising not sure what he said). I hope to have better luck to you since I will not be changing setups. Just wondering how to use the stock coils. I know sequential is better but will be running sequential waste spark to save on the one pwm output.
Ian

Ian

[QUOTE

Marcel:
[/QUOTE]

The "new" Ray Hall ecu is great , you should log on to the forum and read a few posts . It is soo capable ., for ne this neans PRORECTION !!! . It comes with knock control standard , I have also configured boost limits based on AFR , water injection Flow rate for both WI stages. It will interrupt ignition for a preset time if the tank level goes too low . It also does an intercooler spray , traction control , boost control , variable RPM limiting based on oil pressure etc,etc. It all depends on how you configure it ! there are countless ways to do it , it is soooo flexable. As for the EBP sensor , its agreat idea , i may do it too ...... I have an unused analog input that I can set up for this.