Clunkers is on track duty, reppin' the rotary like a mofo!
03-01-12, 07:46 AM
#126
They said the hard coatings like ceramic can reduce the turbo's longevity. The turbo has moving parts and everything gets so hot that it all needs to be able to move together. Ceramic and other types of hard coating reduce its ability to do this.
Manifolds on the other hand don't have moving parts, so any kind of coating is fine.
Now I don't have any proof that they are right, but the company only sells turbos, and voids the warranty if they are coated differently than advised. So I did it that way. I'm sure others have been fine with coating the housing, but I'd play it safe.
03-01-12, 09:39 AM
#127
When I bought my turbo they specifically said not to cost it with anything other than VHT type paint. They weren't promoting VHT as a brand and recommended alternatives.
They said the hard coatings like ceramic can reduce the turbo's longevity. The turbo has moving parts and everything gets so hot that it all needs to be able to move together. Ceramic and other types of hard coating reduce its ability to do this.
Manifolds on the other hand don't have moving parts, so any kind of coating is fine.
Now I don't have any proof that they are right, but the company only sells turbos, and voids the warranty if they are coated differently than advised. So I did it that way. I'm sure others have been fine with coating the housing, but I'd play it safe.
They said the hard coatings like ceramic can reduce the turbo's longevity. The turbo has moving parts and everything gets so hot that it all needs to be able to move together. Ceramic and other types of hard coating reduce its ability to do this.
Manifolds on the other hand don't have moving parts, so any kind of coating is fine.
Now I don't have any proof that they are right, but the company only sells turbos, and voids the warranty if they are coated differently than advised. So I did it that way. I'm sure others have been fine with coating the housing, but I'd play it safe.
03-01-12, 09:51 AM
#128
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Your next 2 points I can understand. But this stuff is advertised as being better than a turbo blanket. So when the car is shut off after being driven there is a possibility of the oil "cooking" in the cartridge causing prematture wear on the bearings, due to deposits from the oil.
Having said this I do not know if I believe that, and given the chance I will coat my turbine housing.
John
03-01-12, 10:39 PM
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My downpipe is Swaintech white lightning coated, and I know I rarely drive my car...but its stayed remarkably clean through some nasty roads, rain, and dirt 
03-02-12, 09:31 AM
#130
Why is it you say the above and in the next sentence say this....
Then admit that is is a possibility.
Your next 2 points I can understand. But this stuff is advertised as being better than a turbo blanket. So when the car is shut off after being driven there is a possibility of the oil "cooking" in the cartridge causing prematture wear on the bearings, due to deposits from the oil.
Having said this I do not know if I believe that, and given the chance I will coat my turbine housing.
John
Then admit that is is a possibility.
Your next 2 points I can understand. But this stuff is advertised as being better than a turbo blanket. So when the car is shut off after being driven there is a possibility of the oil "cooking" in the cartridge causing prematture wear on the bearings, due to deposits from the oil.
Having said this I do not know if I believe that, and given the chance I will coat my turbine housing.
John
Think about it for a second. That's good to know. Thanks for the info.
03-02-12, 10:57 AM
#131
No offense, but you don't really know what you're talking about do you? It's a thermal barrier, meaning it keeps heat in the turbo. It's also only on the exterior of the turbine housing so it's impossible for it to effect any moving parts. Other than you could speculate that the increased internally kept heat wears out the seals faster or something, which I'd gladly trade off for more thermal efficiency of the turbo and reduced underhood temps. The amount of increased wear would probably be minute anyway.
And they did not tell me to do it in order to void taking it apart and breakin something because they instructed me to take it apart and then spray it.
There is also a lot of documentation regarding turbo blankets frying turbos. Yes tons of people use them, and maybe the longevity issue is minute, but I never stated that it was significant, and everyone is allowed to run whatever they want.
Why don't you do a little research. All I'm going to say is that if a reputable supplier voids the warranty if a certain product is used, then I'm not going to use the product.
Using this stuff on piping and manifolds is fine though.
03-03-12, 01:09 PM
#132
By that standard of "frying the turbo", Then rotaries shouldn't have turbos warrantied that fail because their EGT's are significantly higher than a piston engine. What's your baseline of acceptable heat? I'm not saying whoever you talked to didn't say they wouldn't warranty it, but the answer they're giving isn't acceptable as to why.
03-06-12, 10:29 PM
#133
Found a sweet shot of mr goodfella himself assembling my engine. Notice how he's looking to me for direction as to what comes next in the build process, that's why he's throwing his hands up in defeat 
Here's where the engine currently resides, just waiting on a few gaskets and various parts before I can re-assemble everything.
Tiggy was kind enough to weld up the rear iron coolant port
Ok so I did a few tests on the wastegate dump tube as promised. Basically the swaintech finish is like sand paper and it will stain very easily.
I placed clean and dirty oil on the tube and let it sit for a few minutes before attempting to clean it off. I used simple green degreaser and engine brite. If you've used engine brite before you know it's pretty damn powerful. The simple green didn't really do anything at all, but the engine brite removed both oils without a problem. Once the tube dried there was a very slight stain where the oils used to be, but it's not extremely noticeable.
Here's a few pictures of my ghetto durability test
Before:
Oils applied:
After simple green:
After engine brite: (long tube untouched as a comparison)
-Dan
Here's where the engine currently resides, just waiting on a few gaskets and various parts before I can re-assemble everything.
Tiggy was kind enough to weld up the rear iron coolant port
Ok so I did a few tests on the wastegate dump tube as promised. Basically the swaintech finish is like sand paper and it will stain very easily.
I placed clean and dirty oil on the tube and let it sit for a few minutes before attempting to clean it off. I used simple green degreaser and engine brite. If you've used engine brite before you know it's pretty damn powerful. The simple green didn't really do anything at all, but the engine brite removed both oils without a problem. Once the tube dried there was a very slight stain where the oils used to be, but it's not extremely noticeable.
Here's a few pictures of my ghetto durability test
Before:
Oils applied:
After simple green:
After engine brite: (long tube untouched as a comparison)
-Dan
05-03-12, 01:59 AM
#140
I have a LOT to post, just haven't had time to write it all out. I'll try and get it done tomorrow, but I'm getting ready for a track day at NJMP on Friday so I may not get to it until this weekend 
I'll basically be posting the little tidbits I put up on FB but with more details haha.
Can cars get excited?
I'll basically be posting the little tidbits I put up on FB but with more details haha.
Can cars get excited?
05-06-12, 01:16 AM
#143
So I've been a bit busy with SBG stuff and regular work and haven't typed out mega update yet.... But I was at NJMP yesterday making sure IRP built me an engine that would hold up on track
My front pads were beyond what I would consider a safe level so I spent the first hour or so changing front pads and running some fresh fluid through the calipers.
The first session I had the pleasure of carting my mother around the track lol. She's been asking me to take her on track for a while now and I finally had the opportunity to oblige since she's in town this week. There was tons of traffic and the going was fairly slow since I took her out in the beginner group.
The next session Renna Poo showed up and hopped in for a ride along. Here's some of the highlights. You can watch in 720p if you click on the link. What didn't make the video was getting brake checked on a straight away by an Audi S4 just before he gave a point by (I don't think it was done in anger, but still not good)... John was more pissed then me haha.
Current setup:
-Dunlop Star Spec Direzzas 255 F, 265 R
-Racing Brake Front and rear BBK (Hawk Blues F, MX72 R)
-Zeal function X coilovers (13k front 14k rear)
-Tanabe front and rear sway bars with Wide foot front mount
I'm only running roughly 11psi through the engine right now until I install the Aquamist.
The car would benefit greatly from some front and rear aero and of course R compound tires, but unfortunately I don't have the funds for that currently.
The last session I went out in the advanced group after the intermediate groups run got cut short due to a car that was disabled on the track. Mr. Renna pressed the wrong button on the gopro so no video was recorded, but at least we got the lap times and data! It was fairly smooth sailing with the exception of a few cars going off in front of me. I was hoping to play with the 996 GT2 that was catching me slowly but he got caught up in some traffic
Next up will be installing our newly developed front brake package and testing it at VIR in two weeks
-Dan
My front pads were beyond what I would consider a safe level so I spent the first hour or so changing front pads and running some fresh fluid through the calipers.
The first session I had the pleasure of carting my mother around the track lol. She's been asking me to take her on track for a while now and I finally had the opportunity to oblige since she's in town this week. There was tons of traffic and the going was fairly slow since I took her out in the beginner group.
The next session Renna Poo showed up and hopped in for a ride along. Here's some of the highlights. You can watch in 720p if you click on the link. What didn't make the video was getting brake checked on a straight away by an Audi S4 just before he gave a point by (I don't think it was done in anger, but still not good)... John was more pissed then me haha.
Current setup:
-Dunlop Star Spec Direzzas 255 F, 265 R
-Racing Brake Front and rear BBK (Hawk Blues F, MX72 R)
-Zeal function X coilovers (13k front 14k rear)
-Tanabe front and rear sway bars with Wide foot front mount
I'm only running roughly 11psi through the engine right now until I install the Aquamist.
The car would benefit greatly from some front and rear aero and of course R compound tires, but unfortunately I don't have the funds for that currently.
The last session I went out in the advanced group after the intermediate groups run got cut short due to a car that was disabled on the track. Mr. Renna pressed the wrong button on the gopro so no video was recorded, but at least we got the lap times and data! It was fairly smooth sailing with the exception of a few cars going off in front of me. I was hoping to play with the 996 GT2 that was catching me slowly but he got caught up in some traffic
Next up will be installing our newly developed front brake package and testing it at VIR in two weeks
-Dan
05-06-12, 09:19 AM
#145
me and the mad scientist got to rip apart the block... and replace the piston rings I fried
Yes sir, no engine problems related problems, BUT....
Either the filler neck I bought is a POS or I need better crank case ventilation. I think it's a combination of both because I managed to fill the catch can with oil every session. I'll be working on making something that breathes better.
Actually come to think of it, I don't think I paid for that filler neck yet, return to sender!
Yes sir, no engine problems related problems, BUT....
Either the filler neck I bought is a POS or I need better crank case ventilation. I think it's a combination of both because I managed to fill the catch can with oil every session. I'll be working on making something that breathes better.
Actually come to think of it, I don't think I paid for that filler neck yet, return to sender!
05-08-12, 01:36 AM
#149
Current setup:
-Dunlop Star Spec Direzzas 255 F, 265 R
-Racing Brake Front and rear BBK (Hawk Blues F, MX72 R)
-Zeal function X coilovers (13k front 14k rear)
-Tanabe front and rear sway bars with Wide foot front mount
Next up will be installing our newly developed front brake package and testing it at VIR in two weeks
-Dan
-Dunlop Star Spec Direzzas 255 F, 265 R
-Racing Brake Front and rear BBK (Hawk Blues F, MX72 R)
-Zeal function X coilovers (13k front 14k rear)
-Tanabe front and rear sway bars with Wide foot front mount
Next up will be installing our newly developed front brake package and testing it at VIR in two weeks
-Dan
Just curious as I'll be in the market soon for a bbk, where did you find the Racing Brake front/rear kit lacking leading you guys to develop the AP kit?
05-08-12, 08:57 AM
#150
Full Member
Lookin' good and keep the track footage coming! It will eventually make me jealous enough to finish up my "track" car and get me back into some much needed seat time. 
How do you like the Star Specs? Between them and the Hankook RS-3s, for the money, I don't think you can complain too much.
How do you like the Star Specs? Between them and the Hankook RS-3s, for the money, I don't think you can complain too much.