threats and bad engine from just startn
07-11-12, 01:19 AM
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haha, the OP hasn't even replied.
I wouldn't buy an engine from you 'just startn' unless i wanted a scrap one for some reason..
I find it funny that you try to run a business where the majority of your customers are 'kids' that are just trying to learn. I'm 18 and i wouldn't say i know everything about rotaries but i know my fair share and at least i'm honest and loyal to my customers.
And i'm just going to let you know that many people in this world would refer to a friend as 'bro' so i don't see why you're trying to ridicule this guy for calling you something that is not an insult, quite the opposite..
Peace...
I wouldn't buy an engine from you 'just startn' unless i wanted a scrap one for some reason..
I find it funny that you try to run a business where the majority of your customers are 'kids' that are just trying to learn. I'm 18 and i wouldn't say i know everything about rotaries but i know my fair share and at least i'm honest and loyal to my customers.
And i'm just going to let you know that many people in this world would refer to a friend as 'bro' so i don't see why you're trying to ridicule this guy for calling you something that is not an insult, quite the opposite..
Peace...
07-11-12, 06:27 AM
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The OP has not even been online, perhaps that's why he hasnt replied??
Look, this isnt a flame war. Let's keep all comments related to this thread/issue. We do not need everyone's opinion on this deal......we need to get it resolved.
Look, this isnt a flame war. Let's keep all comments related to this thread/issue. We do not need everyone's opinion on this deal......we need to get it resolved.
07-11-12, 08:35 AM
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I'm not trying to provoke further pointless arguing.
My opinions i just expressed were related to this issue/thread.
I'm saying the OP was lucky enough to get offered a refund, which he refused so what is just startn supposed to do from there? how do you further resolve a situation like this where a refund is refused?
I'd like to know.
Thanks and good luck.
07-11-12, 09:47 PM
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had to torch the front bolt out of the e-shaft cause it was seized so badly i broke 2 1/2 in cheater bars and a 3/4 to 1/2 in reducer a 3/4 in impact wouldnt even budge it so i pulled out the breaker bar thats what broke the reducer... the rotor and housing are the rear rotor and housing tell me that isnt messed up/junk!!!! im not even mad this kids just got a smart mouth and thinks he knows everything...
07-11-12, 09:49 PM
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the front rotors seal springs were stuck have more pics friday!
ohhh and its not hard to hit send and cancel on a text so it doesnt send i can do too but whats the point and when you called me i didnt raise my voice you got defensive and started threatening me so i hung up easy as that so post all the texts like all the threats you texted me
ohhh and its not hard to hit send and cancel on a text so it doesnt send i can do too but whats the point and when you called me i didnt raise my voice you got defensive and started threatening me so i hung up easy as that so post all the texts like all the threats you texted me
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07-11-12, 10:08 PM
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oh yeah and even ask FCinWV im calm and reserved i dont threaten till i get threatened so yeah he never posted the text why dont you come up here and ill give you a refund and an *** kickin so yeah... i cant believe he threatened me within 5 second of the phone call so its w/e hes posting stuff in the phone call that i didnt even say and hes not posting the stuff he said its ok tho. i would like to get a refund but i dont want to fight so yeah but if my life is in danger like i felt like it was i kinda snap so yeah
07-11-12, 11:34 PM
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In either case, there isnt much chance that those parts came out of a running motor that was just doing burnouts, etc etc. And I personally believe that just startn didnt need to be threatened to run his mouth--this is the second thread at the same time where buyers are talking about getting slammed even though they said they were polite.
I'd be interested in seeing what Russ has to say about this...those parts are scrap.....
07-12-12, 12:15 AM
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Okay all, I just got off work and I am infact the experienced gentleman that "The exploited" brought the motor to, to check stability, since my brother and I seem to be the West Virginia unofficial rotary shop. This motor is in fact un rebuildable. I would recommend scrapping the short block and contacting Japan2LA about a legitimate jdm motor . As for a fair price, 300 bucks max. In my personal opinion, an experienced rotary guy should have had the sense to check compression numbers beforehand. It is fraudulent for sure. I personally turned it over by hand, one woosh. No bueno. I initially thought maybe the motor has sat for some time and seals may be seized. However, after disassembling the motor it was clear the apex seals were close to destroyed and scoring the housing. Sydney is 19 and just coming into the rotary game, less than mannerly to take advantage of him for 900 bucks. Greed is NOT a virtue. If you are in fact a rotary guy like you claim, shame on you for taking advantage. This is a club for members helping members, not a money scheme. I have just recently come in contact with Sidney, as he found myself and my brother locally through the club.
XLR8, Steelemotorsports, bob13bt and myself back up the west virginia rotary scene (although XLR8 is stationed in jersey at the moment...he is my brother from another mother). I say this to make it clear I know what I am looking at, and it is junk.
I feel a partial refund is fair. I say partial because the UIM, LIM, turbo, front cover, and water pump are salvageable with extensive cleaning.
XLR8, Steelemotorsports, bob13bt and myself back up the west virginia rotary scene (although XLR8 is stationed in jersey at the moment...he is my brother from another mother). I say this to make it clear I know what I am looking at, and it is junk.
I feel a partial refund is fair. I say partial because the UIM, LIM, turbo, front cover, and water pump are salvageable with extensive cleaning.
07-12-12, 03:48 PM
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oh yeah and even ask FCinWV im calm and reserved i dont threaten till i get threatened so yeah he never posted the text why dont you come up here and ill give you a refund and an *** kickin so yeah... i cant believe he threatened me within 5 second of the phone call so its w/e hes posting stuff in the phone call that i didnt even say and hes not posting the stuff he said its ok tho. i would like to get a refund but i dont want to fight so yeah but if my life is in danger like i felt like it was i kinda snap so yeah
07-12-12, 03:54 PM
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Refering to the engine:
WOW! that thing is destroyed. Im trying to figure out how that engine had good compression, drove around, boosted great, IDLED PERFECT, and showed ZERO loss of power
. Theres no way a engine that looks like that is even going to run and if it did, it wouldnt be for long and you would have to be on the inside of the car making it stay running.
WOW! that thing is destroyed. Im trying to figure out how that engine had good compression, drove around, boosted great, IDLED PERFECT, and showed ZERO loss of power
. Theres no way a engine that looks like that is even going to run and if it did, it wouldnt be for long and you would have to be on the inside of the car making it stay running.
07-12-12, 04:09 PM
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its a tough sell on used engines that old. No way I would sell one today without the buyer witnessing first hand the compression test, both parties looking into the engine as best they can for its condition, after that what more can you really do?
i used to help a local place sell JDM engines, we would compression test each one and at first offered a start up and 30 day guarantee.
Later we changed it to a start up guarantee only because we would get people a year later saying they just installed the engine, then we would get people who would not keep them stock, it always boiled down to some people you never heard from and some people had a fishy story, sometimes we would make good even though things looked off, and sometimes outright refuse. I sold about 3 dozen motors then we decided it was just not worth it anymore for either of us. He is a local engine replacement center and still does great business and also gets containers of engines from Japan- just no more rotaries.
i used to help a local place sell JDM engines, we would compression test each one and at first offered a start up and 30 day guarantee.
Later we changed it to a start up guarantee only because we would get people a year later saying they just installed the engine, then we would get people who would not keep them stock, it always boiled down to some people you never heard from and some people had a fishy story, sometimes we would make good even though things looked off, and sometimes outright refuse. I sold about 3 dozen motors then we decided it was just not worth it anymore for either of us. He is a local engine replacement center and still does great business and also gets containers of engines from Japan- just no more rotaries.
07-12-12, 04:16 PM
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Okay all, I just got off work and I am infact the experienced gentleman that "The exploited" brought the motor to, to check stability, since my brother and I seem to be the West Virginia unofficial rotary shop. This motor is in fact un rebuildable. I would recommend scrapping the short block and contacting Japan2LA about a legitimate jdm motor . As for a fair price, 300 bucks max. In my personal opinion, an experienced rotary guy should have had the sense to check compression numbers beforehand. It is fraudulent for sure. I personally turned it over by hand, one woosh. No bueno. I initially thought maybe the motor has sat for some time and seals may be seized. However, after disassembling the motor it was clear the apex seals were close to destroyed and scoring the housing. Sydney is 19 and just coming into the rotary game, less than mannerly to take advantage of him for 900 bucks. Greed is NOT a virtue. If you are in fact a rotary guy like you claim, shame on you for taking advantage. This is a club for members helping members, not a money scheme. I have just recently come in contact with Sidney, as he found myself and my brother locally through the club.
XLR8, Steelemotorsports, bob13bt and myself back up the west virginia rotary scene (although XLR8 is stationed in jersey at the moment...he is my brother from another mother). I say this to make it clear I know what I am looking at, and it is junk.
I feel a partial refund is fair. I say partial because the UIM, LIM, turbo, front cover, and water pump are salvageable with extensive cleaning.
XLR8, Steelemotorsports, bob13bt and myself back up the west virginia rotary scene (although XLR8 is stationed in jersey at the moment...he is my brother from another mother). I say this to make it clear I know what I am looking at, and it is junk.
I feel a partial refund is fair. I say partial because the UIM, LIM, turbo, front cover, and water pump are salvageable with extensive cleaning.
For starters, I do not take advantage of anyone, or try to take advantage of anyone. Never have never will. I do not sell stuff to make a living, i usually hardly make a profit. I try to take what i want for my personal self off of a car and break even. I agree it looks junk, weather it's the motor he bought from me or not i have no idea. The $900 wasnt just for the engine.
Regarding the Refund:
I personally do not think i owe him any money. First reason is the way i was talked to by steffen right off the get, second reason is i have no idea if this engine is mine or not.
Steffen, out of the kidness of my heart i am willing to give you something even though i have zero proof the engine was mine or came from me. I have multiple cranks that are good, I have a set of s5 housings that are ok, and i believe 1 s4 housing thats decent. I also have a Nice set of rotors s5 n/a with counter weights.
07-12-12, 05:28 PM
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I say the same thing. I dont threaten until i get threatend. I simpley called you ask what the issue was, you go off instantly saying all 6 apex seals are broke, the engine dont turn over then telling me i ripped you off and im a punk *** kid. Right there is were the situation turned ugly. Period. Instead of you saying " i beleive this engine may possibly be blown., im going to send you a video of it turning over and a pic". I never recieved anything like that what so ever. You say i flipped out after 5 second on the phone, well ya when you answer the phone like you did. What are you talking about im posting stuff you didnt say? Its coming from your telephone number? So now you want a refund? I felt like my life was in danger.
07-12-12, 05:30 PM
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For starters, I do not take advantage of anyone, or try to take advantage of anyone. Never have never will. I do not sell stuff to make a living, i usually hardly make a profit. I try to take what i want for my personal self off of a car and break even. I agree it looks junk, weather it's the motor he bought from me or not i have no idea. The $900 wasnt just for the engine.
Regarding the Refund:
I personally do not think i owe him any money. First reason is the way i was talked to by steffen right off the get, second reason is i have no idea if this engine is mine or not.
Steffen, out of the kidness of my heart i am willing to give you something even though i have zero proof the engine was mine or came from me. I have multiple cranks that are good, I have a set of s5 housings that are ok, and i believe 1 s4 housing thats decent. I also have a Nice set of rotors s5 n/a with counter weights.
Regarding the Refund:
I personally do not think i owe him any money. First reason is the way i was talked to by steffen right off the get, second reason is i have no idea if this engine is mine or not.
Steffen, out of the kidness of my heart i am willing to give you something even though i have zero proof the engine was mine or came from me. I have multiple cranks that are good, I have a set of s5 housings that are ok, and i believe 1 s4 housing thats decent. I also have a Nice set of rotors s5 n/a with counter weights.
07-12-12, 05:38 PM
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You can say that all you like, it doesnt matter--your behavior on this forum shows the exact opposite to be true. You have CLEARLY never needed to wait to insult or attack someone else until they did first, so you can stop pretending now.
You, as a seller who by your own admission has sold to tons of people, should know better than to fly off the handle at someone that you KNOW doesnt know much about these engines.....YOU are the one who is supposed to know better, right? SO WHY NOT ACT LIKE IT? Why not keep the peace?
Look, here's a fact for you that you had better warm up to in a hurry--YOU ALONE are responsible for your actions. I am sick of all this "I dont threaten until someone threatens me first" BS....what, are we back in first grade on the playground or something? "well, he started it...." REALLY?? Come on, GROW UP ALREADY!
Why didnt YOU respond with any maturity? Even if he did threaten you, you're telling me that you dont possess the stones it takes to be the bigger man and focus on the deal at hand?
And from the few messages you posted, you clearly went on the offensive yourself....imagine if you had handled this like a man instead? Where would it be now? RESOLVED, thats where....
Do you know how to read??
Do the text messages you posted mean the same thing as "what was said on the phone"??? Think it over.....
dude, really?? Youre such a trash talker....you try to go ***** out with anyone who doesnt fully agree with you....and you actually want us to believe that you were AFRAID FOR YOUR LIFE?? You challenged him at every step and its even obvious in the text messages that you posted! YOU CLEARLY WERE NOT AT ALL AFRAID FOR YOUR LIFE, STOP LYING. NO ONE WHO IS AFRAID FOR THEIR LIFE WOULD CONTINUE TO CHALLENGE THE ISSUE LIKE YOU DID IN THOSE MESSAGES.
Another thing--this moment officially marks the end of your misguided little crusade to obtain my personal information. IT STOPS HERE AND NOW, is that clear? NO MORE sending messages to admins telling them that you need my information. YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO ANYONE'S PERSONAL INFORMATION HERE. IT IS THAT SIMPLE. Who the hell do you think you are?? You dont have any business demanding ANYTHING from ANYONE, is that understood?
By the way, the admins couldnt help you if they wanted to, which clearly they do not, as evidenced by the reply you got when you tried. They do not keep our personal information. Nonetheless, if you keep this crap up with me, I PROMISE you that you WILL face the music. A person's personal information is JUST THAT--PERSONAL. What you have done so far amounts to invasion of privacy and harassment....all because youre pissed that I called you out for lying on a car forum?!? GROW THE HELL UP!
HANDLE YOUR BUSINESS LIKE A MAN AND YOU WON'T HAVE THESE PROBLEMS.
I do believe I have made myself clear.....if you need more clarification than that, just let me know and I will be more than happy to help you further. In the meantime, FOCUS ON THE ISSUE AT HAND. If I hear of one more of these retarded attempts to get my personal information or to otherwise distract from the issue at hand, I'm just gonna throw you off the forum for good. I've about had enough of this BS. And you really think youre going to convince us you were legitimately afraid for your life?? Funny.....Youre actually claiming that you were scared for your life because a 19 year old kid got pissed off at you?? I'm a former Navy SEAL, also a licensed fbail enforcement agent.....and while youre so afraid of this 19 year old kid, you keep pushing your luck with ME?? Think that one over a little bit there, chief....
THIS ISSUE WITH YOU AND ME IS OVER. FOCUS ON THE ISSUE AT HAND, OR I WILL DO IT FOR YOU. END OF DISCUSSION.
I simpley called you ask what the issue was, you go off instantly saying all 6 apex seals are broke, the engine dont turn over then telling me i ripped you off and im a punk *** kid. Right there is were the situation turned ugly. Period.
Look, here's a fact for you that you had better warm up to in a hurry--YOU ALONE are responsible for your actions. I am sick of all this "I dont threaten until someone threatens me first" BS....what, are we back in first grade on the playground or something? "well, he started it...." REALLY?? Come on, GROW UP ALREADY!
Why didnt YOU respond with any maturity? Even if he did threaten you, you're telling me that you dont possess the stones it takes to be the bigger man and focus on the deal at hand?
Instead of you saying " i beleive this engine may possibly be blown., im going to send you a video of it turning over and a pic". I never recieved anything like that what so ever. You say i flipped out after 5 second on the phone, well ya when you answer the phone like you did.
What are you talking about im posting stuff you didnt say? Its coming from your telephone number?
hes posting stuff in the phone call that i didnt even say and hes not posting the stuff he said
So now you want a refund? I felt like my life was in danger.
Another thing--this moment officially marks the end of your misguided little crusade to obtain my personal information. IT STOPS HERE AND NOW, is that clear? NO MORE sending messages to admins telling them that you need my information. YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO ANYONE'S PERSONAL INFORMATION HERE. IT IS THAT SIMPLE. Who the hell do you think you are?? You dont have any business demanding ANYTHING from ANYONE, is that understood?
By the way, the admins couldnt help you if they wanted to, which clearly they do not, as evidenced by the reply you got when you tried. They do not keep our personal information. Nonetheless, if you keep this crap up with me, I PROMISE you that you WILL face the music. A person's personal information is JUST THAT--PERSONAL. What you have done so far amounts to invasion of privacy and harassment....all because youre pissed that I called you out for lying on a car forum?!? GROW THE HELL UP!
HANDLE YOUR BUSINESS LIKE A MAN AND YOU WON'T HAVE THESE PROBLEMS.
I do believe I have made myself clear.....if you need more clarification than that, just let me know and I will be more than happy to help you further. In the meantime, FOCUS ON THE ISSUE AT HAND. If I hear of one more of these retarded attempts to get my personal information or to otherwise distract from the issue at hand, I'm just gonna throw you off the forum for good. I've about had enough of this BS. And you really think youre going to convince us you were legitimately afraid for your life?? Funny.....Youre actually claiming that you were scared for your life because a 19 year old kid got pissed off at you?? I'm a former Navy SEAL, also a licensed fbail enforcement agent.....and while youre so afraid of this 19 year old kid, you keep pushing your luck with ME?? Think that one over a little bit there, chief....
THIS ISSUE WITH YOU AND ME IS OVER. FOCUS ON THE ISSUE AT HAND, OR I WILL DO IT FOR YOU. END OF DISCUSSION.
07-12-12, 05:38 PM
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right dude i didnt say anything but thanks for selling me a junk engine and you then started blowin up didnt even let me talk exept to get a couple of words out and you probably have selected hearing i didnt threaten you till you theatened me multiple times and every time you offered me a refund it came with an a$$ kickin so get your story right and stop ling dude you never posted all the texts every text i sent was fallowed up with 2 or 3 from you you dont even post all thats in the texts so yeah... i would like a refund but not a fight like you insisted...
07-12-12, 05:46 PM
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For starters, I do not take advantage of anyone, or try to take advantage of anyone. Never have never will. I do not sell stuff to make a living, i usually hardly make a profit. I try to take what i want for my personal self off of a car and break even. I agree it looks junk, weather it's the motor he bought from me or not i have no idea. The $900 wasnt just for the engine.
Regarding the Refund:
I personally do not think i owe him any money. First reason is the way i was talked to by steffen right off the get, second reason is i have no idea if this engine is mine or not.
I personally do not think i owe him any money. First reason is the way i was talked to by steffen right off the get, second reason is i have no idea if this engine is mine or not.
As for the engine itself, this is the only thing I agree with you on--we need to verify that those parts came from the same motor you sold him. If they did, then I dont care if you think you owe him money or not--you do.
Steffen, out of the kidness of my heart
i am willing to give you something even though i have zero proof the engine was mine or came from me. I have multiple cranks that are good, I have a set of s5 housings that are ok, and i believe 1 s4 housing thats decent. I also have a Nice set of rotors s5 n/a with counter weights.