fdracer

don't get me wrong, i'd be an ******* too and do the exact same thing. i have a family to support and don't have the time to pursue this. but i'd also man up and put that responsibility on me. i know that i'm allowing that person to screw someone over because i was too selfish to do anything.

Rob XX 7

iTrader: (8)

explanation sounds legit, if he was infact in view of EZ pass cameras and radar thats all the proof for that. Its obviously none of my business but if the olive branch was extended to the owner for the car to be worked at Lance's shop and was denied I dont believe there is much more he could do at that point. Sounds like more going on and some he-said-he-said stuff.


good luck to all involved

fdracer

if everything transpired as you described then irp would only benefit you pressing charges against lance. they were also victims as lance stole the car from them. your interests would be aligned. even if they did hire him, irp can't be found at fault if their contractor performs a criminal act while in their employ.

if irp is somehow culpable then there's obviously more to the story than what you've described. something's not right about this story...

fdracer

except one side has a police report to corroborate his said.

SWAT81

iTrader: (14)

I find it hilarious that you never explained yourself to me and this is how you do it?
I understand there is always two sides to the story but you sir, got some straightening out to do on your great customer service you claim to have... so lets get this straight, I get my car totaled due to your doing and I'm supposed to be the one that has to find you and beg you to explain to me what exactly happened? Maybe in your world the victim needs to plead with the guilty to get straight answers and compensation for it, but this is reality and things don't work that way. You lied to my face when I first met you and still have not apologized at this very moment nor did you explain yourself on doing so.

Old lady hit you? Do you see the police report? In the end it doesn't matter if you got pardoned yourself out in court the fact of the matter is what happened and you still continue to lie about it.

Are you really trying to pin this on me saying that this all happened b/c I didn't have full coverage on my car, really? Do you think Geico will provide full coverage on a heavily modified nearly 20 year old car and claim it valued at 20k?

SWAT81

iTrader: (14)

So the police report was a bogus, along with the federal agent witness that happened to be present on the scene few cars behind the old lady's vehicle?

I was never offered to have my car worked on at his shop, as we never spoke to each other after the first weekend we met when the accident occurred. Even if I was offered I would of thought about it twice, how can he replace my car when he wasn't willing to do his share of responsibility at IRP?

There are also other members in the forum who was present at a meeting that was arranged to discuss what was fair in a 3rd spectator's view based on Lance's request b/c he claimed that it was unfair. I was not able to attend that meeting due to other obligations but from what I been told after an agreement was made and it was not honored by Lance shortly after.

SWAT81

iTrader: (14)

Yes this is true, there are always other options to take in a situation but the route I decided to take was much more simple based on the agreement that was initially made between IRP and Lance. Honestly speaking, if you were in my position and had an option to sue with risks involved along with unknown amount of time / money VS. shop owner / accident involved individual offered to replace the vehicle in short period of time, which option would you have taken? If all of this had gone smoothly as it was supposed to everyone involved would of come out as a winner. Do you think I enjoyed nearly a year of keeping things silent only to find out IRP got the bitter end of the deal?

Rob XX 7

iTrader: (8)

like I posted he-said-he said

its not for any of us to comment any further its between you 3 guys. I would Drive to his shop and talk about it face to face, man to man. I dont mean to fight the guy im saying to clear it up.
Meetings took place, I wasnt there, promises made- none of this stuff in writing and I bet if Ihor gave his side of the story it would be a slightly different version as well.

Good luck you guys its a mess

mono4lamar

iTrader: (32)

I had all this stuff typed up and then I just remembered I'm not a bad guy and don't need to say bad things.

To get right to the point though Gene, I've contacted you and not heard back. I wonder what's your motive here other than to try to bash me for reasons you realistically don't know the full extent to. What is your idea resolution to this matter as this is what the purpose of threads like this are, right? If you're using this to try to bash me or my company that has never had a problem before I believe personally you're misusing this thread sections function.

Again, if you're confused as to why I stopped dealing with IRP it seems a little personal but I'm willing to talk to you about it. I don't beleive in publically bashing companies and you're trying to do a lead in for something that I'm ethically against.

If you don't want to talk about this I don't know what you want me to do?

Please advise me how we're going to go about this as I'm very confused right now.

rx7roller02

I'm sorry, but there's no place for this gratuitous patting yourself on the back. Yes, you could have said no. You didnt. You also made it clear that you knew you were making money in this--and thats what its about. I am in business for myself too--and I love to bless other people with low cost or even no cost work, but I am running a business, just as you are, so money talks.

In other words, let's stop trying to paint yourself as some sort of saint in this. You were asked to do a job. You accepted. Thats it up to that point.

Clearly there does not need to be a laptop on your lap, according to the police report and witness statement....


Then you shouldnt have even brought it up this much. If youre gonna be a stand-up guy, then stand up all the way and stop making a show of "having respect" just to make yourself look better. Funny thing about respect--you dont have to tell someone when you have respect, it generally shows all by itself.

Please tell me why the police report and the eye-witness statement tell a completely different story....you keep claiming that this old lady hit you. Yet, the position of the FD after the impact, the actual location of the cars at impact, the damage on both cars, and the eye witness statement all say that you went across lanes of travel and hit her instead. How do you account for that?

See above. Please explain to me how the police, the witnesses, everyone else got it wrong and you are the only one to get it right.....

Again, are the police, the old woman, and the witnesses all conspiring against you?? Come on, man....

Do you have any idea how traffic court even works? Do you have any idea how easy it is to get out of being found at fault there? All they are in operation for is to RAISE MONEY. Thats all they care about! I've seen people get themselves out of all kinds of stuff...it's a money racket, nothing more. Getting out of that charge does not make you "not at fault".
No, we cannot. And I also have Geico....been having them for like 13 years now. I had an accident in which I was acting to avoid a woman who pulled out in front of me....I had two choices. I could either go into the back of a parked truck, or I could go off the road into a steep drainage ditch and flip the car. I chose the first one. It was a low speed impact, my car was still drivable and the truck I hit barely had a scratch on the bumper. Geico ruled I was at fault, even with a witness who saw the whole thing and sided with me in the police report. Geico still labeled me at fault. They totaled my car, and paid for a new bumper on the truck. The cop said that he was required by state law to give me a ticket because I struck the rear of a vehicle. I got the ticket dropped because I had two witnesses--one of them was the guy whose truck I hit!!--that both said that I was not at fault, and that I had nowhere else to go at that moment. But Geico still would not budge, and still claims I was at fault.

however, my rate never went up either.

Being that i have Geico as well, I can tell you with complete certainty that they would not issue full coverage on that car. It's too old and has all the modifications--two things that Geico doesnt like to insure for large amounts of money, as most insurance carriers wouldnt want to do. Again, your point is??

Wrong again...if the lady was at fault like you claim, then HER INSURANCE would have been paying for the repairs, NOT HIS. This is just one more piece of evidence that tells me you are not being totally honest with us. If SHE were at fault, then HER insurance would be paying. In the accident I told you about, Geico labeled me at fault. They got a copy of the police report, contacted the other driver, sent an insurance adjuster to look at his truck, and paid for the bumper. I did not have to do anything with any of that--they did it on their own. So, if this happened as youre trying to claim, I have no doubt that the lady's insurance would have done the same.


As well you should have!! you were driving....the police determined that you did wrong. the witnesses said you did wrong. The damage is evident. And again, if she were to blame, then why did you have to shell out that money? Her insurance would have.....not you.

How is a "small problem" with some other customer relevant to this case? This is not some other customer, and it is not a small problem.

Sorry, I'm not buying this "pass the blame" game BS. I'm simply not....and here's why. I own a business myself. And in my field, when I am speaking to a customer, I AM THE PROFESSIONAL who does this for a living every day. NOT THE CUSTOMER. If there's a proper way to do something, I tell the customer. I work to be as respectful as I can be, but I am going to do it the right way--the way that I know from my experience is better, or simply the way that works. A lot of times, I come across people willing to cut corners to save a buck here and there....and I inform them that I am not willing to do that. My name goes on everything I put my hands to. My reputation is not going to take a fall because someone wanted to save a couple of bucks by skimping on quality. YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE PROFESSIONAL. If you present yourself in a professional manner and insist to your customers that the right way is the best option, you would not be sitting here telling us all about the woulda coulda shoulda's.


That is YOUR issue to handle, not Gene's. YOU are supposed to be the pro, not Gene. And whatever else has happened at IRP is not relevant--if there was some problem between you and IRP, it was up to you to handle this properly. But you didnt see anything wrong with going through with it at that time, did you?

I dont believe you set out to wreck his car. But I also dont believe that the lady hit you. The details simply do not add up to that conclusion. You were in the right lane. The witness saw you turn across the lanes and hit her car. According to the witness statement, he saw the whole thing, and her car was going straight in its lane. The damage on the FD is also consistent with the kind of wreck that the witness and the police describe. If she had turned into your lane, then unless she made a complete 90 degree turn she would have hit you on the SIDE. But the side of the car is fine, the whole front is pushed to the passenger side by something like a foot. Seven years as a fire rescue medic has taught me plenty about accidents. And, if she did turn 90 degrees to the right, then the position of your car and hers would have been very different than they apparently were when the police showed up. Based upon my experience, the witness statement and the police determinations, I simply do not and cannot believe that she swerved and ran into you the way you claim. And like I said earlier, her insurance would be on the hook--that's what liability insurance is there for!! So why didnt her insurance company pick up the tab? Why did you have to shell out thousands? Because youre not telling the truth about the wreck, perhaps??

Apparently you are not aware of the purpose of this section. It is to report to other members about experiences, good or bad, that an individual has with other members and shops. He did just that. I dont see anything "undeserved" about that.

If you want us to believe your claim about this wreck, then please explain why everyone else who saw it or who investigated it disagrees with your claim that she swerved into your lane and hit you. Please explain why the physical evidence of the wreck does not match up with your claim. And please explain why her liability insurance wasnt on the hook for the money.

SWAT81

iTrader: (14)

You tried to contact me before? Realistically, when did you reach out to me other than the PM you sent me today after reading this thread? I saw you in person twice shortly after the accident where was your motivation to speak to me then? Do I need to hear your excuses and personal feelings towards IRP from this whole mishap? I don't think so.

You claim that you were instructed not to speak with me, if this was true you really thought that would be a good idea when you knew the insurance company was harassing me after you lied to me that you provided your own insurance information to handle the situation?

My motives are clear, I'm trying to prevent other members in this small community from getting screwed over from irresponsible business owners like yourself. After a year of building my car you totaled it, now it's been almost another year and my car is still not ready because you were not present to complete the task that was agreed upon. Explain to me again what exactly you are confused about?

silverfdturbo6port

iTrader: (26)

wow sorry for your loss and huge headache. Hope it all works out.
One reason why I also wont tune customer cars on the street.

mono4lamar

iTrader: (32)

Gene, as far as the police report here's what I have to say. I sat in the one lane for 10 minutes after the lady hit me only to be cursed at by ridiculous truck drivers, ignorant people yelling at me to move off of the highway (really... how?). NYC and NJ drivers can be some of the most erratic and unsafe drivers in the world. Back to the point, I was there for 10 minutes before I saw a police car show up. When he did show up he yelled at me as he drove by to return to my vehicle. He then drove up and parked in front of the lady, and spoke with her for several minutes. After speaking with her, he came up to me and asked me if I was okay; after I replied yes he said get in the car and we'll push it off of the road.

He then proceeded to bump into the car with his cruiser and pushed me off of the highway across 5 lanes to the right. We got off of the highway and the cop asked me what happened and I told him exactly what happened. I pulled off of the highway onto the shoulder for safety. I loaded my GPS to see the best route back to the shop, I found where I was suppose to go and waited nearly 2 minutes till I saw a generous opening in traffic. I proceeded lane by lane (approximately 3) maneuvering into lanes as cars let me. The last lane, the EZ-pass lane was open when I looked in my mirror. I was moving into the lane when literally out of nowhere and nailed the front right corner of the car spinning the car nearly 50 degrees.

SHE STRUCK ME! I wasn't driving fast and if it was done recklessly I would have been t-boned by one or more vehicles.

Here's a good read Using Vehicle Damage as Evidence of Speeding

In this it states what we all know about physics. The last paragraph explains my viewpoint regardless what everyone might thing I was doing while having my signal on and safely moving into the EZ-pass lane. Here's the excerpt from the article, pay attention the last sentence as it pertains to my 75 yards from the tool booths and reasonable and prudent speeds (25mph).

"Let's say the posted speed limit on a rural highway is 55 miles per hour, and a crash results in a totaled vehicle. In that case, it may not be possible to say that speeding was a cause of the accident, since the damage might look similar whether the at-fault driver was doing 55 or 70. But if a vehicle incurs serious damage in an accident on a city street where the speed limit is 25 miles per hour, and a $30,000 vehicle is deemed a total loss, it might be argued that such extensive damage could only have occurred if speeding was involved."

Again, if you're convinced of who I am then I don't know what to say here. You'll choose to post what you want. If I was at fault the lady would have sued me especially if I was driving as you "think," again how you think I was driving.

I was saying I'm contacting you now meaning right now. I didn't imply contacting you in the past. As far as hearing my "excuses" yes, I think I would want to hear what someone was going though if everything went from black to white, a total 180 flip.

Yes, Rich told me he wanted to be the middle man because you were their customer. I did come up to you and say I was sorry about the whole unfortunate accident. I really don't see how you don't remember that but again we have a different view.

Also, I again think you were misinformed about the insurance thing. Again, logically how could I have given my insurance information if I did not have the paperwork that's always in the glovebox of the car you're driving. I gave them the only information available; your registration, your insurance.

You never dealt with my company other than this strange situation that everyone can agree is a very confusing tense situation. Your car's not ready? Bring it to me and I will complete it at my own cost 100%, you can also speak to me to hear my side of the story. If you're not interested in either of those options then yes I will still remain confused.

I've owned my business since 2005 and we went LLC well over a year ago because of such good business. This whole situation was caused by an ACCIDENT. People never overpay for our services, we have quick turnaround time, and we ship promptly. 100% the opposite of an irresponsible business.

I really feel that if you meet with me we could really talk this out. I'm offering to talk to you and be mature by not posting bad information. I think that's really honorable even after a thread like this is made against me. So can we meet sometime? I don't know what else I can do but to offer my services and my side of the whole story.

mono4lamar

iTrader: (32)

Gene, as far as the police report here's what I have to say. I sat in the one lane for 10 minutes after the lady hit me only to be cursed at by ridiculous truck drivers, ignorant people yelling at me to move off of the highway (really... how?). NYC and NJ drivers can be some of the most erratic and unsafe drivers in the world. Back to the point, I was there for 10 minutes before I saw a police car show up. When he did show up he yelled at me as he drove by to return to my vehicle. He then drove up and parked in front of the lady, and spoke with her for several minutes. After speaking with her, he came up to me and asked me if I was okay; after I replied yes he said get in the car and we'll push it off of the road.

He then proceeded to bump into the car with his cruiser and pushed me off of the highway across 5 lanes to the right. We got off of the highway and the cop asked me what happened and I told him exactly what happened. I pulled off of the highway onto the shoulder for safety. I loaded my GPS to see the best route back to the shop, I found where I was suppose to go and waited nearly 2 minutes till I saw a generous opening in traffic. I proceeded lane by lane (approximately 3) maneuvering into lanes as cars let me. The last lane, the EZ-pass lane was open when I looked in my mirror. I was moving into the lane when literally out of nowhere and nailed the front right corner of the car spinning the car nearly 50 degrees.

SHE STRUCK ME! I wasn't driving fast and if it was done recklessly I would have been t-boned by one or more vehicles.

Here's a good read Using Vehicle Damage as Evidence of Speeding

In this it states what we all know about physics. The last paragraph explains my viewpoint regardless what everyone might thing I was doing while having my signal on and safely moving into the EZ-pass lane. Here's the excerpt from the article, pay attention the last sentence as it pertains to my 75 yards from the tool booths and reasonable and prudent speeds (25mph).

"Let's say the posted speed limit on a rural highway is 55 miles per hour, and a crash results in a totaled vehicle. In that case, it may not be possible to say that speeding was a cause of the accident, since the damage might look similar whether the at-fault driver was doing 55 or 70. But if a vehicle incurs serious damage in an accident on a city street where the speed limit is 25 miles per hour, and a $30,000 vehicle is deemed a total loss, it might be argued that such extensive damage could only have occurred if speeding was involved."

Again, if you're convinced of who I am then I don't know what to say here. You'll choose to post what you want. If I was at fault the lady would have sued me especially if I was driving as you "think," again how you think I was driving.

I was saying I'm contacting you now meaning right now. I didn't imply contacting you in the past. As far as hearing my "excuses" yes, I think I would want to hear what someone was going though if everything went from black to white, a total 180 flip.

Yes, Rich told me he wanted to be the middle man because you were their customer. I did come up to you and say I was sorry about the whole unfortunate accident. I really don't see how you don't remember that but again we have a different view.

Also, I again think you were misinformed about the insurance thing. Again, logically how could I have given my insurance information if I did not have the paperwork that's always in the glovebox of the car you're driving. I gave them the only information available; your registration, your insurance.

You never dealt with my company other than this strange situation that everyone can agree is a very confusing tense situation. Your car's not ready? Bring it to me and I will complete it at my own cost 100%, you can also speak to me to hear my side of the story. If you're not interested in either of those options then yes I will still remain confused.

I've owned my business since 2005 and we went LLC well over a year ago because of such good business. This whole situation was caused by an ACCIDENT. People never overpay for our services, we have quick turnaround time, and we ship promptly. 100% the opposite of an irresponsible business.

I really feel that if you meet with me we could really talk this out. I'm offering to talk to you and be mature by not posting bad information. I think that's really honorable even after a thread like this is made against me. So can we meet sometime? I don't know what else I can do but to offer my services and my side of the whole story.

SWAT81

iTrader: (14)

You actually expect me to believe your word against what the police report states when you have no credibility towards me?

So let's straighten this out, since you are about mention accident physics to me below, if you are struck from the front right side the engine bay of the car shifts approximately 1 feet to the right? In what world does this type of physics work? Let me refresh your memory, YOU WERE STRUCK FROM THE LEFT SIDE.

You are teaching a lesson in collision physics to me now? wow...

So explain to me why it took you almost a year to contact me only after the **** hits the fan?

You obviously have serious issues with memory, you said "sorry" about the incident when the accident first occurred upon my arrival to IRP to inspect the car's damage. During that first time we met you told everyone in IRP and I a complete different story. You really want to get down to providing witnesses on what you said, because I have immediate 3 people who can vouch for what you said to me that day. You claimed that you were the one driving straight and out of no where someone hit you right after the toll booth. When I asked you who's insurance did you provide in the accident report? You told me that my insurance was not used so there is nothing to worry about. If you didn't say that, why would I have been surprised to hear from Geico that I'm being pressed with charges?

In your mind, since you stated "sorry" to me the first time all the lies and irresponsibility you have done to me afterwards is supposed to be negated?

Lance, you have already capped my patience, I have shown nothing but mercy as well as kindness by not caring about what happened to my car but your own health right after the accident and this is how you respond after all this time?

Yes, I agree that this was an accident, however does that fact justify your actions towards IRP and I? I have never dealt with your company before nor was I even aware of it's existence, so stop with the "open arms nice guy act". I have been more than patient with this whole situation, in business, timing is everything especially when it comes down to customer service that involves a totaled car.

rx7roller02

What does any of that have to do with the police determining that you were in the wrong? Or with the eye-witness statement that clearly puts you at fault?


Remember that you said this...it comes into play in a minute....

Yes, you were on the shoulder--the far right. The witness agrees with this.


So, you started on the shoulder--the far right--and you made your way to the left, lane by lane.....

The RIGHT FRONT? Sorry, that is 100% false. LOOK AT THE DAMAGE ON THE CAR! The car was clearly impacted in the LEFT FRONT, not the right.

https://www.rx7club.com/bad-fugly-me.../#post11559812

Look at the pics. You are very much wrong on this one. not to mention, how exactly would a car in that lane strike the right front of your car, since you were coming from right to left?
That is also false. You do not have to hit every car on the road to be considered "reckless". Many times, there's an opening big enough to get one lane over, but when someone tries to take two, they hit a car. Why didnt they hit all the other cars? This is a pointless attempt on your part to try to justify yourself.

Perhaps you should read that yourself--you actually claim she struck you on the right side.

You have no idea what you are talking about. First, you claim that this one woman was doing 50....then you claim it was so congested that it took you forever to get over each lane. When you are that close to the stopping point of the toll booths, EVERYONE would have had to be slower at that point....so, if everyone was slower, and it took you that long to get into each lane, then there's NO WAY this woman was doing 50. NO WAY. She would have had to be in the one and only lane that was not filled with cars!

1--stop trying to justify yourself. You're acting like a guy who's trying to perform brain surgery by reading a book while youre making your incision.....just stop. I dealt with accident scenes damn near every day of my time in the fire department, I know more about these than you could possibly understand.

2--If she was doing 50 and you were putzing along in traffic, she would have taken the whole front clear off that FD. We're not talking about a little sideswipe here. We're talking about the point of impact being one of the weakest spots on the car--specifically because it doesnt have the mass of the rest of the car to strengthen it against the force of the impact. If someone hits you dead in the back, the car's whole mass comes into play. But the FD was hit right at the front corner, with nothing behind it to help absorb the force. That bumper would not have stayed on the car. I've seen accidents at 30 mph that take bumpers off of cars like that. Clearly you have no idea what youre talking about.

3--your article is sorely misinformed as to the "$30,000 car would not be totaled". The age of the FD does not reveal it's value in this case. The car was totaled because of the value of a stock FD compared to the damage....not because of the value of the FD with all the modifications. Not surprisingly, you forgot about that.


1--youre not even sure at this point which side of the car was impacted!

2--an eye-witness that has no stake in this debate confirmed your actions!

3--police investigated and concurred with the witness!

4--The damage on the car PROVES that your story is false!

This is not about how "we think you were driving". Man up already and stop this ridiculous freak show of trying to justify yourself....

Really??? So, you crashed this guy's car...you don't communicate with him at all after that....you make an agreement to work on the car, then you change your mind for whatever reason after that....and YOU expect HIM to be responsible for finding you?

wow.....

Oh, and by the way, yes you did imply that you had contacted him in the past....here's your comment again:

You painted this picture for us of your many attempts to get in contact with him, to try to get him to bring his car to your shop....NOW, however, you claim that you never said those things. Why would you try to talk to "many of his friends" when you should have been calling HIM instead?

Perhaps it is because it doesnt take ***** to talk to someone's friends when you should be talking to him instead.


The only flipping I see right now is how your story doesnt match up with even the physical evidence, like the car's damage and the police report.

So you said "I'm sorry"....I guess that means you deserve a cookie?

Why are you misinformed in the process of blaming him for not having full coverage on a heavily modified car? Owning a modified car myself, and being a GEICO customer for many years now, I can also tell you that they will not allow me to put full coverage on mine either....

I've got to be honest with you---there's no way in hell I would deal with your company for as much as a used tire after seeing this. Youre clearly not telling the truth about the impact. You admit NOW, after being pushed about it, that you did not make effort to contact him since you had whatever falling out you had with IHOR. You've done a rather lousy job of handling this....why would anyone want to take their $20K car to you now?

You can tell a great shop by how they handle things when something goes wrong, not when something doesnt go wrong. And you have failed at every step from what we see here.

So, what youre saying is that you owned and ran an illegal unlicensed business for 7 years....


Your commitment to this customer should have been 100%, and yet you couldnt even be bothered to call him!!

Come clean already.....seriously, man up. That's the first step in making right....

mono4lamar

iTrader: (32)

***I'm sorry about the "front-right" comment. I was looking at the pictures and for some reason was going from the "picture view" I was rushed as I had to attend a wedding yesterday. ***

Obviously that was a poor mistake made by typing up very quickly.

rx7roller02

So how do you explain everything else that doesnt line up with your claims?

--police report?
--damage on car?
--why her insurance wasnt made to cover this damage?
--eye witness?

ALL of these things say that you are at fault. NONE of them agree with your claim. And yet, you have not addressed them. You've gone to great lengths to try to convince us with links and other things that are not related to the actual accident....but you have not said much about these things as they relate to the accident. Why is that?

mono4lamar

iTrader: (32)

We decided to replace Gene's car. To go and try to sue the lady would require even more money and time than would be worth. The damage on her car was minimal because she was the one that hit me with the front of her car. If the front of the car I was driving impacted hers then Genes car would have been compressed towards the engine correct? Rather, when she hit me her car continued to move forward causing Genes car to give in the direction of impact and pivot the front end.

I'm not an insurance adjuster so I have no idea why she wasn't made to cover the damage. Perhaps it was a "no-fault" where each party is responsible for themselves as that is how each party never saw suit? We'll never know as we decided to just move forward and replace the car.

Eye witness? I never saw this person, talked to this person, or saw this person at the scene talk to the police officer. That's how I can "explain" it.

This thread is a way too late accusation and it should have been on IRP's behalf. Anyone in their right mind can can see this. I did everything in my power to make good on this situation. Had I not done anything at all in response after the accident I could see this. There's three sides here and one not being told. My side, Genes side (unfortunate middle man), and IRP's side.

The power is being put well into the third persons side as they have not made a statement and continue to stay out. I again won't talk behind their back as they have done to me. If they choose to engage then I will at least tell the masses here what they already know.

There's no resolve to this thread. It seems Gene is not taking any offers I'm making to help him at my own expense. He want's to try to discredit me with this thread and it seems that he has gotten his wish. That's all I can see at this point and there's no further need for me to post here as it's only back and forth with no resolve.

SWAT81

iTrader: (14)

Who said anything about suing the lady that was involved in the accident? As far as I am concerned you were the one driving into a straight away lane.

My insurance did not handle this situation as I was told by the Geico insurance agent that your insurance was handling the liability portion for the old lady's vehicle. If you were not at fault how is it that the old lady's insurance didn't cover for the damages inflicted on my vehicle you drove and crashed? The proof on the police report clearly portrays you were the cause and fault of this accident which does not entitle you to be covered for the repair costs on my vehicle. Even your insurance provider refused to provide any compensation amount for the accident.

So now you are implying that there was a "fake" witness on the police report...

Too late? Yes I delayed this whole process to give you the benefit of the doubt for nearly a year, which i was being nice about, "anyone in the right mind would SEE this".

You really think IRP put me up to writing a review on your business/work ethics? You continuously don't see me for who I am, this is another insult to me as someone who has given you patience and gratitude to make what's wrong to right. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to observe what kind of person you are after how this whole mishap was handled.

IRP does not need to part take in this mishap in the forums as they have done enough to justify their actions by taking the reins to handle your mess. I personally, do not have any respect for someone who agrees to do something and not see it through to the end.

If you thought that this thread was posted up to have a resolution in the end then you have some serious reflecting to do. Ever heard of the phrase, "that ship has sailed long ago"? Wish? I don't have time in my life to make wishes for people like you, I am simply laying out the facts and the rest is left for the community to make a judgement call. In the end, you may come out better than you currently are if you come clean and admit your mistakes instead of preserving yourself in manner that you are "higher" than everyone involved.

rx7roller02

OK, so we're coming up on one year later....is his car replaced yet? If not, then why not? If you decided to replace his car, then that should have been done. Whatever issues you have or had with the other shop are between you and the other shop....they should not stand in the way of you getting this done....



Again, do you know anything about how all of this stuff works? No, it would not take more money....they have these things called "attorneys", and most of the time, attorneys take accident cases on a contingency basis when there is proof that you are not in the wrong. If you were so exonerated as you claim, this option would have cost you nothing--not one penny--and her insurance company would have offered a settlement long before now. Even if the insurance settlement only paid for half of the actual cost, look at how much further ahead you would be right now!!

Or....maybe you knew this already but it didnt matter....seeing how the police report shows you at fault, the witness statement shows you at fault, and the damage on the car shows you at fault......



The damage on her car was minimal because of the direction she was traveling when the impact occurred. She had the mass of the entire car behind the point of impact, as well as a lot more behind the direction of impact than you did. In simple terms, how wide is the FD? Compare that to how long the car she was driving is....how much mass is there in the front frame/bumper of the FD to absorb and dissipate the shock of impact? Compare that to basically her entire car. THAT is why the damage looked worse on the FD.


Look at the direction it was compressed--at nearly a total right angle to the direction you SHOULD have been traveling...the direction you CLAIM to have been traveling. That alone shows you are lying. If she bumped into you as you were moving into the lane, then the impact would not be focused so much more on just that one spot on the corner, and pushed directly toward the passenger side. If she had impacted you while you both were traveling generally the same direction--which is what you claim happened--then there is NO WAY IN HELL that the entire front end of that car would be pushed so hard over to the side. This is simple truth. The damage of an impact proves a lot of things about that impact--and the passenger side frame around the headlight was totally fucked--in the exact same direction as the rest of the impact shows on the car. The only way for that to happen is if you hit something at nearly a right angle. you claim to be edging into the next lane, and she was coming up in the same lane....there's no way, man. The force of the impact would have traveled forward, away from you, because that was the direction of the impacting force according to you. That force of impact would have traveled more or less straight ahead. The damage would have been largely limited to that corner of the car. But it wasnt. Was she driving faster than she should have been? Possibly so. That doesnt cover up or excuse the obvious direction of impact here.

If I had to guess, I would say that you plugged the address into your GPS, saw that you needed to make a U-turn instead of heading through the toll gates, and thought you would get over fast enough without any problem.


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Follow this simple diagram. The left side shows her car, traveling in a straight line. The right diagonal line shows the driver side of the FD. The arrows up top show the direction of travel, which then becomes the motion of impact.

This represents what I see you claiming took place--you were moving over into the lane and she came up out of nowhere and hit the left front corner of the FD. In this impact, which direction is all the force traveling? STRAIGHT AHEAD--the direction that her car was traveling. So, where would the force of impact travel into the FD? STRAIGHT AHEAD. In an impact like this, the bumper cover often gets ripped straight off the car because there is too little mass behind the impact point to absorb the force. Make sense so far?? In this example, there is NOTHING that would cause the extensive frame damage that is constant through the entire front end of the FD. Impact damage would be on left front for the most part. You claim that you were slow and switching lanes--there would not be enough sideways force to create the damage we see in the pics based upon your description. Nowhere near enough, it isnt even questionable!

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Now, compare this one to what you claim. THIS is what would basically have to happen for the FD to sustain that kind of straight-across impact damage. The front of the car has nowhere near enough mass to absorb the force of impact, and thats why the frame would bend all the way across the car like that. The real give-away on this one is the fact that the plastic bumper cover--and other relatively fragile parts of the front--stayed with the car. If the impact was as you claim, especially with the speed you claim she was driving, then that bumper would have been long gone off the car. Those pieces would have been torn off the FD in the direction she was traveling....and they werent. Not so much as a turn signal left that car, looking at the photos...I've seen impacts like you claim at 20 mph, that have torn away light lenses, bumpers, front air dams, and other parts. But not one part of this car seems to have done that....Even the speed difference alone that you claim was there should have thrown pieces of the FD if the impact was as you claimed it was. But again, even the turn signal is still hanging there. A car traveling at 50 hitting another car that is doing what--10, 20?--would have thrown off plastic parts like panties on prom night. But everything on the FD is compressed to the side, which shows that the impact traveled in that direction.

You need to learn how insurance people work...there's ALWAYS someone at fault in the eyes of an insurance company because their money is involved. if it was not you, then it would have been the other driver. This impact is not something, even by how you claimed it happened, that would have been a no-fault. you claim she was speeding at twice the limit. you claim that you were switching lanes when it happened. ALL of these things and more point to someone being at fault. Her car did not suddenly lose its tires and swerve uncontrollably into you or anything. She did not suffer a heart attack or other incapacitating event prior to hitting you. There was fault. The police report proves it. The witness statement proves it. The damage to the car proves it. Insurance companies rely upon the police determination in the reports to determine fault unless you can prove that the report is wrong using witnesses and evidence--two things you do not have. Based upon the report alone, which is how the typical insurance company will do it, YOU were at fault, and THAT is why you chose to just move forward and replace the car. Be honest.

I had a wreck in which one of my cars was totaled. No injuries, thank God, but the cop said he had to cite me as at fault by law because my car struck the back of someone else. My insurance--GEICO--said that they had to claim me as at-fault because of the police report. I had witnesses that came forward to say that I was not at fault, that I was in the process of avoiding another driver who WAS in the wrong, and even then GEICO would not change their mind. I know how this works. clearly you do not.

No, thats how you AVOID explaining it. Big difference.

Whatever issue you have with IRP is between you and IRP. This guy trusted you to do right by him. you promised to do so. you did not deliver for whatever reason. That is up to YOU to address, it isnt up to you to not contact him at all about the resolution that you didnt make good on until he posts this thread.

Again, whatever issue you have with IRP, you two need to work out. But here, you have made statements and claims that simply do not add up when compared to the facts of physical evidence. There IS reason to discuss those and they DO need to be cleared up.

EDIT, so for some reason the diagrams are not working the way I wanted them to display....so here's a pic to show what they were supposed to look like:

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iTrader: (14)

I thought something was wrong with the diagram too b/c I was trying so hard to understand it with no luck haha, I'm unable to see the pic reference at the moment.

rx7roller02

yeah, I was trying to post a pic and for some reason the forum wasnt letting me upload it. Gonna try again....

....man, still isnt working....

mono4lamar

iTrader: (32)

I'm not going to be posting anymore about an internet argument, we're all adults and we're getting nowhere. I will only post if an IRP representative want's to discuss the details of the story in its entirety. Gene, apparently you weren't over the boiling point to post a "badguy" thread until I "did not make good" on my part.

Furthermore, "people like me" are the reason some companies can exist and function because "I" am called to come up with a solution for a problem out of their capabilities. You find a shop that can do all the things I can personally do on my own and I'll be impressed. Certified welding, CNC Haas machining, drafting on more than one platform (MasterCam, AutoCAD, ext.) tuning on more than one ECU, engine building, the list goes on. Am I stroking my ego in here? No, nobody really views this section. I'm trying to let you know that I'm overqualified in making the car you have fully functional at my expense. You don't want to take me up on that? You have a false vendetta.

I've been a member here for 10 years; helping people, selling parts, and serving customers without any issues. If I was who you believe I am, I would have had a list of accusations a mile long.

Again, I'll be happy to talk about why you're so disappointed and most importantly why we're here to this point. I won't engage with strangers on the internet as they can't refute the details. You should be able to separate your anger towards me to allow for a full understanding of the saga. If you don't want to do so then I'll just let you continue to be angry with me but I'm letting you know its for all the wrong reasons.

I WILL NOT BE POSTING ANY FURTHER INFORMATION UNTIL IRP WANTS POST AND TALK ABOUT THE STORY IN ITS ENTIRETY. I'm sorry if anyone is offended by this but this is just turning into an internet argument. My offer to help you is always on the table regardless.

rx7roller02

You at the very least owed him a phone call--when you and IRP had the issue, you owed it to this man to at least speak to him like a man and say "I cannot get into what happened, but I am not going to be doing any more work at IRP....."--and then you could have made any necessary arrangements with Gene directly to finish the car as you should be doing. You did not need to hash out the details of you and IRP to at least inform the man whose car you wrecked. Just a thought....

So I suppose this is somehow not your fault because "people like you" are in your mind irreplaceable....


Please inform me exactly what all of that has to do with how you are not being truthful about the wreck?

Oh, thats right, it doesnt.



wow....you shouldnt break your arm off, patting yourself so profoundly on the back like this....

I have an interesting set of qualifications myself when it comes to this forum. I seem to be the only guy around here that has gotten scammers to return money they stole from members. I've done it multiple times, and even helped people in the process that are members of other forums that got ripped off by the same scammer as our members did......I have a college education in the field, investigative resources not available to the general public, and lots of work experience in tracking people down who try not to be found......I've gotten results that no one else in the history of this forum has ever gotten, or even come close to....

....but none of that matters if I am not part of the team that is the moderation staff, and if I dont handle my responsibility there. As a mod team, we are more successful than the average forum in handling scammers--and even with my qualifications, I don't do it alone. Take a hint from that.

I've been a member here for more than ten years myself....helping people, catching scammers, helping with simple communication problems between buyers and sellers, even getting scammers to refund money they stole....and I have seen plenty of good sellers and providers of services on this and other forums go bad. It is no indication of your level of honesty in this incident that you dont have "a list of accusations a mile long". Some of this forum's best known and popular vendors are no longer allowed to sell on this forum because they did not continue to provide that same level of service. Stop trying to pad your claims with irrelevant info.

And yet, youre SO happy to talk to him about how he was left hanging that he had to make this thread all this time later because you couldnt even bother to pick up a telephone? Yes, I get it, you were working under IRP. Yes, I get it, Gene was their customer. But the moment that you had a wreck to make up for, you became personally involved, and you owed him at the very least that much.

Think about this--you could have called him back when this falling out took place. You could have said something like, "out of professional courtesy, I cannot get into the details, but I am not going to be performing any more work at IRP. But I want to make sure that I handle my obligation to you and your car...." and gone from there to finish this. Why the hell should he have to track you down or make a thread like this because you didnt handle your business? I own a business myself, and I deal as a subcontractor with various contractors all the time. Its the same thing.


First, I'm not just some stranger on the internet. I'm a moderator on a forum that you have been using to get business for a decade....and not paying any vendor fees. Dont push me, son, you wont like how it ends.

Second, I did more than "refute the details". I showed how the evidence totally kills off your claim of how the wreck happened. Cant help but notice that you have not responded to any of that information....but you sure did a bang-up job telling us how indispensable you are to shops everywhere....


You keep saying things like this--why not address the actual points that Gene and I have brought up to you? He has every right to be angry....you wrecked his car, you lied about what happened, and you left him holding the bag!!

If youre not willing to handle this issue in this thread, then dont even dream of letting me catch you soliciting any business on this forum. And to think, it would have been so simple for you to be a stand-up guy and answer this thread without playing this dog and pony show out. Whatever issue you have with IRP is between you and them....but you have an issue with a promise that was made to Gene....and when you pulled yourself off that work, for whatever reason you did, you had an obligation to address it at that time, with Gene, and you did not. How long ago did you stop working on his car? A simple phone call would have gone a LONG way here.

Take some responsibility already.