Difficult Transaction between serbRX7 and carx7
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Difficult Transaction between serbRX7 and carx7
My recent transaction with SerbRx7 has taken a turn for the worse and based on recent PMs with him and feedback he has already left for me, I assume a post in this section is inevitable. I recently sold a turbo setup to SerbRx7. Two months after the purchase he sent a PM expressing dis-satisfaction with the kit. While trying to understand his concerns and how he expected me to help, he elected to leave me negative feedback and has recently told me that if I didn’t bend to his wishes he would post here.
My bottom line:
He purchased an inexpensive turbo setup with little timeline for thought after focusing the majority of his attention on a nicer, more expensive A-spec setup from me. He has since stated that he never intended to keep the manifold/DP/WG and listed them for sale shortly after receiving from me. When the manifold didn’t sell, he installed the setup on his car and found the fitment of the downpipe location was not to his liking. He said he had been quoted $500 to fix the “issue”. (I sold the entire setup to him for $1200) He asked for me to pay half of the repair or to refund his money entirely and he would return the turbo kit. While trying to understand the specifics of his problem, he then posted negative feedback for me and continues to demand that I refund some or all of his money and here we are.
The setup was not falsely advertised. Up front I disclosed what I knew about the setup and pointed out that turbo setups are a “get what you pay for” type of thing. I offered to send pictures and answer any questions that he asked. I stated the manifold wasn’t as nice as the A-spec setup he was looking at. I made no claims in the ad, email, PM or otherwise prior to his purchase regarding fitment of the setup. I only stated that the setup came off a running car making 400HP and listed the parts included. All true.
My opinion: He made a hasty purchase, regretted it, and now wants me to pay for it and is willing to drag my seller’s reputation through the mud to get what he wants. When I suggested that posting negative feedback in the middle of a discussion for a refund didn't motivate me to provide further help and that it “backfired”, he responded with “ no i do not think anything back fired as i can give you as many feedbacks as i want and other way around i just dont have anything for sale so i don't care ... “
I don’t know how to remedy a situation with someone who doesn’t care about maintaining good feedback and I’m also not interested in paying for someone else’s hasty purchase. I have not experienced the issues he is having. I have not seen any pictures of the issues he is having. I have no knowledge of the car he is using. What I do know is that this setup included the parts I advertised, and works in the manner claimed. Nothing more, nothing less.
My bottom line:
He purchased an inexpensive turbo setup with little timeline for thought after focusing the majority of his attention on a nicer, more expensive A-spec setup from me. He has since stated that he never intended to keep the manifold/DP/WG and listed them for sale shortly after receiving from me. When the manifold didn’t sell, he installed the setup on his car and found the fitment of the downpipe location was not to his liking. He said he had been quoted $500 to fix the “issue”. (I sold the entire setup to him for $1200) He asked for me to pay half of the repair or to refund his money entirely and he would return the turbo kit. While trying to understand the specifics of his problem, he then posted negative feedback for me and continues to demand that I refund some or all of his money and here we are.
The setup was not falsely advertised. Up front I disclosed what I knew about the setup and pointed out that turbo setups are a “get what you pay for” type of thing. I offered to send pictures and answer any questions that he asked. I stated the manifold wasn’t as nice as the A-spec setup he was looking at. I made no claims in the ad, email, PM or otherwise prior to his purchase regarding fitment of the setup. I only stated that the setup came off a running car making 400HP and listed the parts included. All true.
My opinion: He made a hasty purchase, regretted it, and now wants me to pay for it and is willing to drag my seller’s reputation through the mud to get what he wants. When I suggested that posting negative feedback in the middle of a discussion for a refund didn't motivate me to provide further help and that it “backfired”, he responded with “ no i do not think anything back fired as i can give you as many feedbacks as i want and other way around i just dont have anything for sale so i don't care ... “
I don’t know how to remedy a situation with someone who doesn’t care about maintaining good feedback and I’m also not interested in paying for someone else’s hasty purchase. I have not experienced the issues he is having. I have not seen any pictures of the issues he is having. I have no knowledge of the car he is using. What I do know is that this setup included the parts I advertised, and works in the manner claimed. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Threads in question:
MY FS thread that initiated his contact to me for an Aspec setup: https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generati...ports-1016162/
MY FS thread for the turbo setup he actually purchased (which is also referenced in the above thread) https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generati...-lines-988820/
HIS FS thread advertising the manifold and DP that he purchased from me: https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generati...npipe-1030284/
On Feb 15 the seller contacted me about an A-Spec 35/74 turbo setup I had advertised in the primary thread.
In his initial inquiry he stated that he was on a budget and asked if I could do better on pricing. I responded that morning to state that I would consider an offer and then followed to say: “Turbos are definitely a "get what you pay for" type of thing. If you're on a budget, then you should consider my 60-1 setup. It works just fine with minor damage and is half the price of the Aspec kit. You don't get the "GT" technology of the 35/74 turbo, and the manifold isn't as nice, but then again, that's why it is probably the cheapest full turbo kit listed on rx7club right now. What more information do you want about the kit beyond what is listed in the ad? Let me know which setup you prefer to discuss and what you're willing to pay an I can send pics accordingly.”
He responded to say that he could do $1800 and wanted to see pics of the setup installed on my car to judge fitment with his V-mount setup. By that afternoon I sent pictures of the A-spec setup via email and the buyer stated he thought it might work and requested pictures of the turbine wheels.
Feb 18th I was finally able to take and send pictures of the wheels and explained that I would not take less than $1900 for the setup. We sent emails back and forth between Feb 18th and Feb 21st whereby he said he had a 5month kid and wanted to know if I’d take a partial trade for a fuel rail. I stated I had 2 kids plus twins on the way and was liquidating all 13b related parts that I had so no interest in his rail. He asked for pictures of the “precision kit exhaust manifold t4 flange ...just intrested how ports look on it...in case i am not able to get a.spec kit from you i might get that kit instead ...”
I can’t find record that I ever sent pics he requested, but he seems content that I did. He has since pointed out that I had the following separate thread posted for this 60-1 setup. https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generati...-lines-988820/ Given his comments, I assume he saw these pictures prior to purchase but I am not positive.
MY FS thread that initiated his contact to me for an Aspec setup: https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generati...ports-1016162/
MY FS thread for the turbo setup he actually purchased (which is also referenced in the above thread) https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generati...-lines-988820/
HIS FS thread advertising the manifold and DP that he purchased from me: https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generati...npipe-1030284/
On Feb 15 the seller contacted me about an A-Spec 35/74 turbo setup I had advertised in the primary thread.
In his initial inquiry he stated that he was on a budget and asked if I could do better on pricing. I responded that morning to state that I would consider an offer and then followed to say: “Turbos are definitely a "get what you pay for" type of thing. If you're on a budget, then you should consider my 60-1 setup. It works just fine with minor damage and is half the price of the Aspec kit. You don't get the "GT" technology of the 35/74 turbo, and the manifold isn't as nice, but then again, that's why it is probably the cheapest full turbo kit listed on rx7club right now. What more information do you want about the kit beyond what is listed in the ad? Let me know which setup you prefer to discuss and what you're willing to pay an I can send pics accordingly.”
He responded to say that he could do $1800 and wanted to see pics of the setup installed on my car to judge fitment with his V-mount setup. By that afternoon I sent pictures of the A-spec setup via email and the buyer stated he thought it might work and requested pictures of the turbine wheels.
Feb 18th I was finally able to take and send pictures of the wheels and explained that I would not take less than $1900 for the setup. We sent emails back and forth between Feb 18th and Feb 21st whereby he said he had a 5month kid and wanted to know if I’d take a partial trade for a fuel rail. I stated I had 2 kids plus twins on the way and was liquidating all 13b related parts that I had so no interest in his rail. He asked for pictures of the “precision kit exhaust manifold t4 flange ...just intrested how ports look on it...in case i am not able to get a.spec kit from you i might get that kit instead ...”
I can’t find record that I ever sent pics he requested, but he seems content that I did. He has since pointed out that I had the following separate thread posted for this 60-1 setup. https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generati...-lines-988820/ Given his comments, I assume he saw these pictures prior to purchase but I am not positive.
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On Monday Mar 4, after no communication from him for 11 days, I received the following email: “Looked more in to the aspec kit...and it will not fit... can you do 1200$ for the other kit...if you can i will take it.. just bill my pay pal money is ready (email address excluded)”
I was surprised at the request as we had not discussed the setup, however I expected that for the price of $1200 he wasn’t that concerned about getting additional details. That day we agreed to $1236 paypal’d, shipped and insured and I stated before accepting payment that I would be unable to ship until the following Saturday. I shipped on Saturday as advertised and the turbo was delivered on Mar 15th.
On Mar 17th he emailed to ask about a missing fitting on the Synape WG and we exchanged emails between Mar 17th and Mar 19th in which I explained that I had no knowledge of that unit but that the setup had 2 fittings (of 4 possible) and was working properly with a Profec B spec 2 on my car. He expressed the desire to use the WG with an EBC and so I verified that the setup had been used with an EBC on my car and I looked up the website and provided him a link to the manual showing how to set it up.
I did not hear back and thought all was good.
I was surprised at the request as we had not discussed the setup, however I expected that for the price of $1200 he wasn’t that concerned about getting additional details. That day we agreed to $1236 paypal’d, shipped and insured and I stated before accepting payment that I would be unable to ship until the following Saturday. I shipped on Saturday as advertised and the turbo was delivered on Mar 15th.
On Mar 17th he emailed to ask about a missing fitting on the Synape WG and we exchanged emails between Mar 17th and Mar 19th in which I explained that I had no knowledge of that unit but that the setup had 2 fittings (of 4 possible) and was working properly with a Profec B spec 2 on my car. He expressed the desire to use the WG with an EBC and so I verified that the setup had been used with an EBC on my car and I looked up the website and provided him a link to the manual showing how to set it up.
I did not hear back and thought all was good.
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May 12, nearly 2 months after our last conversation, I received the following PM from serbRx7
“i was just going to sell downpipe and manifold after i got the kit without even trying it one the car... but i did not find a buyer...
today i was like what a hell let me just install the kit...you said it was taken from running car ...so i did not think it would heave any problems bolting right up...
well i have couple problem
downpipe dose not line up properly with the midpipe...and its interfering with stock bracing when bolted together...downpipe is angled more to the centre of the car then its supposed to be ...
02 sensor bolt is striped
random drilled hole on downpipe
i have bonez midpipe and racing beat exhaust
and i try for 2 hours to make it work but it just dont fit properly
Carx7 Response May 14
Hi,
I'm sorry for the trouble as I didn't have any of it.
The turbo was taken from a running car that I drove. So I can assure you that it does bolt onto an FD. My car had an un-resonated mid pipe and RB cat back exhaust. Feel free to dig through my FS thread to see both of those pieces listed forsale as well.
The hole in the down pipe is for an EGT gauge that was on the car and is easily plugged.
The pipe was shipped with an o2 sensor installed as I recall, so I'm not sure how it was stripped. If damage was done during shipping, I wish you had brought it to my attention at that time instead of months later.
I had to look back through our email traffic and it seems that you spent most of the time talking about the aspec kit that I had and then shifted last minute to this setup. I see that I offered to send pics, but then it seems that you were ready to send payment. I'm not sure what more you are looking for. This was a running, boosting, 400HP turbo setup for $1300....... Most turbo's cost more than that.
SerbRx7 PM: May 14, 11:42PM
it was a long winter here in NY its still cold i do not have heated garage...everything was sitting in the box the way i got it...no shipping damage just o2 bolt is striped... no problem i was not going to use it any way...
i looked in to the kit i did not like manifold as it did not match T4 flange...again this was not mentioned in the description...so i was just going to sell it with down pipe and wastgate because i wanted to keep the turbo...but i did not find a buyer for it...
you said kit is from running car... we had some nicer weather past weekend 70's so i was like what a hell let me try installing it maybe i get bit use out of it....and to my surprise it dose not fit properly...i am not saying that it cant be bolted up together with midpipe it just dos not sit in proper location...
your car must not have all the stock underbracing...or you trimmed it down ( something i would not do) ....yes i can bolt it up...but wen bolted together its pressed against stock bracing...downpipe was not positioned properly when the wastgate piping was welded in...
- connection between dowepipe and midpipe is way to close to transmision and doesn't go trough proper underbody tunneling...
most people are very honest on here...never head any problems
i could give it another try with kit... i think results will be the same...not my first time working on cars
thought i reach out to you see if you would like to make things right
My commentary In this PM he mentions concerns with the T4 flange matching the turbo. They were both a T4 bolt pattern and do in fact bolt together. I can only assume that this is in reference to port matching of the manifold to the turbo. Reading above you’ll see that I told him up front the manifold was not ideal. He asked for pics and I never saw that I sent them. Here I began to question why he purchased the setup if he had concerns with the kit in the first place.
“i was just going to sell downpipe and manifold after i got the kit without even trying it one the car... but i did not find a buyer...
today i was like what a hell let me just install the kit...you said it was taken from running car ...so i did not think it would heave any problems bolting right up...
well i have couple problem
downpipe dose not line up properly with the midpipe...and its interfering with stock bracing when bolted together...downpipe is angled more to the centre of the car then its supposed to be ...
02 sensor bolt is striped
random drilled hole on downpipe
i have bonez midpipe and racing beat exhaust
and i try for 2 hours to make it work but it just dont fit properly
Carx7 Response May 14
Hi,
I'm sorry for the trouble as I didn't have any of it.
The turbo was taken from a running car that I drove. So I can assure you that it does bolt onto an FD. My car had an un-resonated mid pipe and RB cat back exhaust. Feel free to dig through my FS thread to see both of those pieces listed forsale as well.
The hole in the down pipe is for an EGT gauge that was on the car and is easily plugged.
The pipe was shipped with an o2 sensor installed as I recall, so I'm not sure how it was stripped. If damage was done during shipping, I wish you had brought it to my attention at that time instead of months later.
I had to look back through our email traffic and it seems that you spent most of the time talking about the aspec kit that I had and then shifted last minute to this setup. I see that I offered to send pics, but then it seems that you were ready to send payment. I'm not sure what more you are looking for. This was a running, boosting, 400HP turbo setup for $1300....... Most turbo's cost more than that.
SerbRx7 PM: May 14, 11:42PM
it was a long winter here in NY its still cold i do not have heated garage...everything was sitting in the box the way i got it...no shipping damage just o2 bolt is striped... no problem i was not going to use it any way...
i looked in to the kit i did not like manifold as it did not match T4 flange...again this was not mentioned in the description...so i was just going to sell it with down pipe and wastgate because i wanted to keep the turbo...but i did not find a buyer for it...
you said kit is from running car... we had some nicer weather past weekend 70's so i was like what a hell let me try installing it maybe i get bit use out of it....and to my surprise it dose not fit properly...i am not saying that it cant be bolted up together with midpipe it just dos not sit in proper location...
your car must not have all the stock underbracing...or you trimmed it down ( something i would not do) ....yes i can bolt it up...but wen bolted together its pressed against stock bracing...downpipe was not positioned properly when the wastgate piping was welded in...
- connection between dowepipe and midpipe is way to close to transmision and doesn't go trough proper underbody tunneling...
most people are very honest on here...never head any problems
i could give it another try with kit... i think results will be the same...not my first time working on cars
thought i reach out to you see if you would like to make things right
My commentary In this PM he mentions concerns with the T4 flange matching the turbo. They were both a T4 bolt pattern and do in fact bolt together. I can only assume that this is in reference to port matching of the manifold to the turbo. Reading above you’ll see that I told him up front the manifold was not ideal. He asked for pics and I never saw that I sent them. Here I began to question why he purchased the setup if he had concerns with the kit in the first place.
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Carx7 PM: May 15 5:31AM
I'm sorry that the kit does not meet your expectations. However, I offered to send pictures and you didn't want to wait for them. Selling the setup was not a high priority for me given everything else I have going on, but you insisted on sending money and asked very few questions. I am an honest seller and you must appreciate that it is impossible as a seller to anticipate every detail that a potential buyer would be upset about. So I posted a few basic details about the kit and let people ask questions. I sent out countless pictures of this setup to other people and I can not find record that I sent pictures to you.
I had to dig through our correspondence, and you spent most of the time asking about my other setup. Which was a well put together kit listed for $2100. If you wanted a well thought out manifold that was perfectly aligned, then it is wise to purchase A-spec products. Other manifolds such as the generic one sold with my setup are known for being less than ideal. Again, these things are reflected in the price and to many people the trade in perfect fitment is worth the savings.
As you said, the turbo will bolt up, and that is what I advertised. It was never my intention to mislead and when re-reading my FS thread and our emails I do not see a false statement.
Looking at your forsale thread for the same setup, it seems to me, that you were happy to pass the manifold and downpipe along to other people. The pictures do not show the features you are complaining about (T4 flange, extra hole, etc) and there is no mention of those in the thread. Once you realize that you are going to have to use something that isn't ideal, you are trying to put that back on me and that doesn't seem entirely honest to me either. I stand by my sale that for the price, this was an excellent deal.
respectfully,
-Chris
SerbRx7 PM: May 15 8:58AM
aspec-kit would not fit with my vmount setup
i did not know about the hole until this weekend as it was covered by wrap....again that not that big of a problem i all ready plunged it....
in the pic on my for sale section i just wanted to show the fitments of the manifold and down pipe and wastgate.....thats the only way they would stay together without falling over as you can see DP & WG are connected ...i also wanted to show that its real synapes wg...i tough this kit would at least fit right even tho flanges are not matching...
i give everyone the run down on all parts i sell the good the bad the ugly with a first PM along with a email of pic...i never had anyone even email me about a problem with a part i sold i am straight up i don't hold nothing back ... just happy feed backs... i am glad that i did not end up selling it to some one as i my self still didn't know all the details about it and fitment problems...until i try installing it...
also i didn't not have any inquiries from others about wastgate manifold and downpipe for sale...and as soon as i noticed there might be fruter problem with manifold i stopped bumping the thread UP^....i like to maintain my good reputation
you can also check my other for sale listings you will see that i take pic of any defect
when you say it will bolting right up...you are also saying that it will fit right to proper location...
my bigest problem with the kit is that it does not line up properly and it interfering with stock bracing...its way off...i am not a welder i cant fix that part my self i need to pay some one to do that for me...
to fix what needs to be done...with parts and labor i am looking at 500$ i am not going to ask you for 500$ but if we could split that would be ok with me or i would like for you to take the kit back and refund
1day after sending this PM to me he left negative feedback on the forum reference: ITrader Notification May 16 9:39 PM
Carx7 PM: May 17 1:27 PM
Hey smart guy,
We're in the middle of talking and you leave me negative feedback? You do know that my wife is having twins right? We covered that in the email previously right? So I take 24hrs to respond to a PM it is possible that I have more important priorities than dealing with someone who changed his mind after having a turbo setup for 2 months?
I'm sorry you're un-happy, but it's very clear to me that you got in a rush with the purchase.
If you were unhappy you should have contacted me within an appropriate time frame after the purchase and over 2 months is not it. You never asked any questions about the setup and after emailing extensively about a different setup, you simply said "if you'll take $1200 I'll send payment". I did as you asked and now I"m the one getting negative feedback.... IN THE MIDDLE of a negotiation none the less.
The setup bolts on and runs as advertised. Period.
I'm sorry that the kit does not meet your expectations. However, I offered to send pictures and you didn't want to wait for them. Selling the setup was not a high priority for me given everything else I have going on, but you insisted on sending money and asked very few questions. I am an honest seller and you must appreciate that it is impossible as a seller to anticipate every detail that a potential buyer would be upset about. So I posted a few basic details about the kit and let people ask questions. I sent out countless pictures of this setup to other people and I can not find record that I sent pictures to you.
I had to dig through our correspondence, and you spent most of the time asking about my other setup. Which was a well put together kit listed for $2100. If you wanted a well thought out manifold that was perfectly aligned, then it is wise to purchase A-spec products. Other manifolds such as the generic one sold with my setup are known for being less than ideal. Again, these things are reflected in the price and to many people the trade in perfect fitment is worth the savings.
As you said, the turbo will bolt up, and that is what I advertised. It was never my intention to mislead and when re-reading my FS thread and our emails I do not see a false statement.
Looking at your forsale thread for the same setup, it seems to me, that you were happy to pass the manifold and downpipe along to other people. The pictures do not show the features you are complaining about (T4 flange, extra hole, etc) and there is no mention of those in the thread. Once you realize that you are going to have to use something that isn't ideal, you are trying to put that back on me and that doesn't seem entirely honest to me either. I stand by my sale that for the price, this was an excellent deal.
respectfully,
-Chris
SerbRx7 PM: May 15 8:58AM
aspec-kit would not fit with my vmount setup
i did not know about the hole until this weekend as it was covered by wrap....again that not that big of a problem i all ready plunged it....
in the pic on my for sale section i just wanted to show the fitments of the manifold and down pipe and wastgate.....thats the only way they would stay together without falling over as you can see DP & WG are connected ...i also wanted to show that its real synapes wg...i tough this kit would at least fit right even tho flanges are not matching...
i give everyone the run down on all parts i sell the good the bad the ugly with a first PM along with a email of pic...i never had anyone even email me about a problem with a part i sold i am straight up i don't hold nothing back ... just happy feed backs... i am glad that i did not end up selling it to some one as i my self still didn't know all the details about it and fitment problems...until i try installing it...
also i didn't not have any inquiries from others about wastgate manifold and downpipe for sale...and as soon as i noticed there might be fruter problem with manifold i stopped bumping the thread UP^....i like to maintain my good reputation
you can also check my other for sale listings you will see that i take pic of any defect
when you say it will bolting right up...you are also saying that it will fit right to proper location...
my bigest problem with the kit is that it does not line up properly and it interfering with stock bracing...its way off...i am not a welder i cant fix that part my self i need to pay some one to do that for me...
to fix what needs to be done...with parts and labor i am looking at 500$ i am not going to ask you for 500$ but if we could split that would be ok with me or i would like for you to take the kit back and refund
1day after sending this PM to me he left negative feedback on the forum reference: ITrader Notification May 16 9:39 PM
Carx7 PM: May 17 1:27 PM
Hey smart guy,
We're in the middle of talking and you leave me negative feedback? You do know that my wife is having twins right? We covered that in the email previously right? So I take 24hrs to respond to a PM it is possible that I have more important priorities than dealing with someone who changed his mind after having a turbo setup for 2 months?
I'm sorry you're un-happy, but it's very clear to me that you got in a rush with the purchase.
If you were unhappy you should have contacted me within an appropriate time frame after the purchase and over 2 months is not it. You never asked any questions about the setup and after emailing extensively about a different setup, you simply said "if you'll take $1200 I'll send payment". I did as you asked and now I"m the one getting negative feedback.... IN THE MIDDLE of a negotiation none the less.
The setup bolts on and runs as advertised. Period.
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i don't think you understand what i am saying
i have seen the pic in your post
60-1 Ptrim BB turbo setup, manifold, DP, lines
it looked like someone took there time to reroute wastgate
and you said it will bolt right up
you got good feedback
so i took your word for it and got the kit even tho i cant test fit it right away....do to weather up north...
my only problem with a kit is that it dos not bolt up properly...i will take some pic to show you
the rest of the small stuff i am ok with,,,my only expectation for this kit was to bolt up properly...
so you can imagine how mad i was when it didn't
i am not trying to be difficult i just feel like i've been scammed
are you willing to work something out or not i made fallowing suggestion
i am saying cover half of my repair cost 250$ and lets call it even
Carx7 PM: May 19 7:59 PM
I understand exactly what you are saying and just typed a novel to talk about it.
I have good feedback because in 15 years of dealing with rx7's I've never left anyone hanging.... Even when I think the buyer is screwing me.
Bottom line, you lost my help when you left feedback in the middle of this discussion.
The help you'll get from me at this point is to tell you that you that $500 to re-orient that setup is a ripoff. Find another welder. I'd recommend making sure your car isn't bent either.... that setup worked fine on my 95. Frame, subframe, motor mounts, who knows what's up with your car.
Regards,
Serb Rx7 PM: May 22,: 7:18 AM
stop making bs excuses....my car is in pristine condition...your car dos not have stock bracing thats why this kit worked for you...500$ is the cost of repairing this kit...i do not deal with back yard welders...i was nice enough to offer you to split the cost...at this point i don't see why i should pay for it at all...to avoid posting a full thread in bad seller section as admin suggested i will offer it to you one more time split the cost with me 250$ and that would be it, are transaction is done....or i would like a full refund and kit can be shipped back tomorrow...
Carx7 PM: May 22, 9:06 AM
You're big on threats aren't you? I already have negative feedback from you. That kinda backfired don't you think? NOT getting that feedback was the motivation I had to work with you. I sleep well knowing that I did not mislead you, and so I'm not battling morality issues within myself.
I don't know you from the next guy. Here's what I do know:
You joined this forum/community in 2008, and I in 2002.
You have managed 8 feedback reports, I have have around 25.
After dragging your family into a negotiation (begging for a reduced price because you have a kid just like the rest of us) You made a brash decision to purchase an inexpensive turbo kit.
Regarding the use of "backyard welders". Interesting comment, but since the welders I have used previously are certified welders of ballistic missile space based defense projects, I'm going to go out on a limb and say you're talking out of your ***. $500 is a ripoff for fixing a fitment issue, which obviously isn't that bad if I took the setup off a running car.
I looked back at all ads that I have posted, and I made zero claims about fitment. I advertised truthfully the parts that were included, and the fact that the setup works, AND the fact that the turbo had damage. Not really the ad of someone trying to hide something.
Why don't you collect the emails and pictures we exchanged on this setup prior to your purchase. Then go ahead and take some pictures of the claimed problems you are experiencing and send them to my email which you already have.
Or, proceed on your normal mode of operation and start a "bad seller" thread on me. I'll be happy to take my case publicly as to the emails we exchanged, the exact wording of my advertisement, the fact that you couldn't afford the setup you wanted. Conveniently the setup you couldn't afford "didn't fit" so you bought a cheap setup. 2 months later you want a 1/2 refund to cover ridiculous sum of $500 that some welder claims is required to "fix" the setup that barely cost that in the first place.
i don't think you understand what i am saying
i have seen the pic in your post
60-1 Ptrim BB turbo setup, manifold, DP, lines
it looked like someone took there time to reroute wastgate
and you said it will bolt right up
you got good feedback
so i took your word for it and got the kit even tho i cant test fit it right away....do to weather up north...
my only problem with a kit is that it dos not bolt up properly...i will take some pic to show you
the rest of the small stuff i am ok with,,,my only expectation for this kit was to bolt up properly...
so you can imagine how mad i was when it didn't
i am not trying to be difficult i just feel like i've been scammed
are you willing to work something out or not i made fallowing suggestion
i am saying cover half of my repair cost 250$ and lets call it even
Carx7 PM: May 19 7:59 PM
I understand exactly what you are saying and just typed a novel to talk about it.
I have good feedback because in 15 years of dealing with rx7's I've never left anyone hanging.... Even when I think the buyer is screwing me.
Bottom line, you lost my help when you left feedback in the middle of this discussion.
The help you'll get from me at this point is to tell you that you that $500 to re-orient that setup is a ripoff. Find another welder. I'd recommend making sure your car isn't bent either.... that setup worked fine on my 95. Frame, subframe, motor mounts, who knows what's up with your car.
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Serb Rx7 PM: May 22,: 7:18 AM
stop making bs excuses....my car is in pristine condition...your car dos not have stock bracing thats why this kit worked for you...500$ is the cost of repairing this kit...i do not deal with back yard welders...i was nice enough to offer you to split the cost...at this point i don't see why i should pay for it at all...to avoid posting a full thread in bad seller section as admin suggested i will offer it to you one more time split the cost with me 250$ and that would be it, are transaction is done....or i would like a full refund and kit can be shipped back tomorrow...
Carx7 PM: May 22, 9:06 AM
You're big on threats aren't you? I already have negative feedback from you. That kinda backfired don't you think? NOT getting that feedback was the motivation I had to work with you. I sleep well knowing that I did not mislead you, and so I'm not battling morality issues within myself.
I don't know you from the next guy. Here's what I do know:
You joined this forum/community in 2008, and I in 2002.
You have managed 8 feedback reports, I have have around 25.
After dragging your family into a negotiation (begging for a reduced price because you have a kid just like the rest of us) You made a brash decision to purchase an inexpensive turbo kit.
Regarding the use of "backyard welders". Interesting comment, but since the welders I have used previously are certified welders of ballistic missile space based defense projects, I'm going to go out on a limb and say you're talking out of your ***. $500 is a ripoff for fixing a fitment issue, which obviously isn't that bad if I took the setup off a running car.
I looked back at all ads that I have posted, and I made zero claims about fitment. I advertised truthfully the parts that were included, and the fact that the setup works, AND the fact that the turbo had damage. Not really the ad of someone trying to hide something.
Why don't you collect the emails and pictures we exchanged on this setup prior to your purchase. Then go ahead and take some pictures of the claimed problems you are experiencing and send them to my email which you already have.
Or, proceed on your normal mode of operation and start a "bad seller" thread on me. I'll be happy to take my case publicly as to the emails we exchanged, the exact wording of my advertisement, the fact that you couldn't afford the setup you wanted. Conveniently the setup you couldn't afford "didn't fit" so you bought a cheap setup. 2 months later you want a 1/2 refund to cover ridiculous sum of $500 that some welder claims is required to "fix" the setup that barely cost that in the first place.
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SerbRX7 May 23- His first statement made me lose further interest in trying to understand what is going on
no i do not think anything back fired as i can give you as many feedbacks as i want and other way around i just dont have anything for sale so i don't care ...
as far as initial negative feedback goes i am ******* angry man you where dragging things out still are....
i did not beg for anything..i made you an offer for a-spec kit and then i when trough and looked at the fitting of the kit and there is number of threads that say that it will not work with v-mount setup...so it wouldn't work for me
yes we exchanged couple of details about families...mad me trust you bit more...i think you said you have twins on the way
you suggested your other kit...as i only need something to get the car going... i thought about it contacted you couple weeks later and got the kit
i do not know why you are stuck on that you didn't send me pic... you sent me pic of booth kits and i have seen your other thread as well where you had the kit posted with pic...
i all ready told you there is nothing in them pic that suggested this kinda of problem thats why i reposted downpipe ,manifold and wastgate for sale...and i am glad no one purchased it from me ...didn't sell so i try to install it thats how i run in to this problem
- things i know about when i payed for the kit and i did not have problem with...
_ damage to hot side turbine...minimal damage from what i have seen in the pic and when received....i think turbine just eat peace of gasket that was used before you switched to steel one...
_ cheap manifold with non matching flange
- thing i did not know about and could not tell from pic and i dought you even know about...as i said before i do not think you have stock underbracing on your car..
_improper fitment of down pipe
- downpipe to midpipe connection is moved under the transmission insted of proper exhaust tunneling
this is some thing i would defiantly notice when taking turbo kit off the car maybe just becouse i took so many of this cars apart...but people miss bigger things
this is not as simple of a fix as you think...i cant just cut wastage pluming to downpipe and swing the downpipe to proper position and re weld wastgate pluming
the angle of two main flanges is off as well and needs to be cut positioned and reconnected its alot of work and @ 500$ i am getting a deal...
i do not understand why your astronaut of a welder could not figure out how to run exhaust piping trough proper tunneling
something tells me he dos not have any automotive experience
also his welds are average at the best
Carx7 May 23
Look man, something isn't right here.
First, had you not already left me negative feedback I'd actually have motivation to help you. I was in the middle of trying to understand the problem when you left negative feedback. I have a life, pregnant wife with twins, a 16 yr old son, 18yr old daughter going to prom and graduating from H.S. and not that it matters but I happened to be on business travel working 14hr days when you decided I was dragging my feet in responding. So what motivation do you think I have if my 100% positive feedback is gone? You should really re-think the way that you deal with these things. I do care about my feedback and my customers and my feedback shows it.
I have owned a dozen Fd's in the last 10 years, been working on Rx7's since 1996 and do all my own work. I'm not new to cars, or Rx7s, or single turbos, or any of this. If a tunnel brace wasn't installed on a used car that I purchased I probably didn't pay attention. Again, I purchased the car to get the chassis. That setup fit my car, and the DP flange wasn't under the transmission as you are suggesting. Here is the thread that I purchased the car from:
https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generati...400whp-971517/
and his thread about the build:
https://www.rx7club.com/single-turbo...-814584/page4/
Note his statement in the FS thread that most of the work was performed by Protech Automotive here in Austin.
I looked back at my for sale thread, and all of our PMs. Even have them laid out in a word document to see what I said to you and what I didn't. Here's my statement to you that I think sums up this entire transaction.
"Turbos are definitely a "get what you pay for" type of thing. If you're on a budget, then you should consider my 60-1 setup. It works just fine with minor damage and is half the price of the Aspec kit. You don't get the "GT" technology of the 35/74 turbo, and the manifold isn't as nice, but then again, that's why it is probably the cheapest full turbo kit listed on rx7club right now."
You bought a cheap setup. I asked if you had any questions. I made ZERO commitments as to fitment prior to the sale. My comment on the pictures is tied to my surprise that after weeks of silence on email and discussion the A-spec setup, you email and want to purchase the 60-1 setup that you never even asked me about. Yes, I was and still am surprised that you chose to do that.
I"m not dragging anything out, i'm trying to figure out how you are having problems that I didn't. I'm trying to figure out if I mislead you, and I don't believe that I did.
My "astronaut" welder had nothing to do with this setup as evidenced by my statement that I pulled this off a car I purchased and sold. He did however build several setups for me previously including an ENTIRE manifold with dual WGs for $700 including materials, and yet somehow your guy think that he needs $500.
Sorry man. Negative feedback is negative feedback. I got it, it's not going away and so I have nothing more to say.
no i do not think anything back fired as i can give you as many feedbacks as i want and other way around i just dont have anything for sale so i don't care ...
as far as initial negative feedback goes i am ******* angry man you where dragging things out still are....
i did not beg for anything..i made you an offer for a-spec kit and then i when trough and looked at the fitting of the kit and there is number of threads that say that it will not work with v-mount setup...so it wouldn't work for me
yes we exchanged couple of details about families...mad me trust you bit more...i think you said you have twins on the way
you suggested your other kit...as i only need something to get the car going... i thought about it contacted you couple weeks later and got the kit
i do not know why you are stuck on that you didn't send me pic... you sent me pic of booth kits and i have seen your other thread as well where you had the kit posted with pic...
i all ready told you there is nothing in them pic that suggested this kinda of problem thats why i reposted downpipe ,manifold and wastgate for sale...and i am glad no one purchased it from me ...didn't sell so i try to install it thats how i run in to this problem
- things i know about when i payed for the kit and i did not have problem with...
_ damage to hot side turbine...minimal damage from what i have seen in the pic and when received....i think turbine just eat peace of gasket that was used before you switched to steel one...
_ cheap manifold with non matching flange
- thing i did not know about and could not tell from pic and i dought you even know about...as i said before i do not think you have stock underbracing on your car..
_improper fitment of down pipe
- downpipe to midpipe connection is moved under the transmission insted of proper exhaust tunneling
this is some thing i would defiantly notice when taking turbo kit off the car maybe just becouse i took so many of this cars apart...but people miss bigger things
this is not as simple of a fix as you think...i cant just cut wastage pluming to downpipe and swing the downpipe to proper position and re weld wastgate pluming
the angle of two main flanges is off as well and needs to be cut positioned and reconnected its alot of work and @ 500$ i am getting a deal...
i do not understand why your astronaut of a welder could not figure out how to run exhaust piping trough proper tunneling
something tells me he dos not have any automotive experience
also his welds are average at the best
Carx7 May 23
Look man, something isn't right here.
First, had you not already left me negative feedback I'd actually have motivation to help you. I was in the middle of trying to understand the problem when you left negative feedback. I have a life, pregnant wife with twins, a 16 yr old son, 18yr old daughter going to prom and graduating from H.S. and not that it matters but I happened to be on business travel working 14hr days when you decided I was dragging my feet in responding. So what motivation do you think I have if my 100% positive feedback is gone? You should really re-think the way that you deal with these things. I do care about my feedback and my customers and my feedback shows it.
I have owned a dozen Fd's in the last 10 years, been working on Rx7's since 1996 and do all my own work. I'm not new to cars, or Rx7s, or single turbos, or any of this. If a tunnel brace wasn't installed on a used car that I purchased I probably didn't pay attention. Again, I purchased the car to get the chassis. That setup fit my car, and the DP flange wasn't under the transmission as you are suggesting. Here is the thread that I purchased the car from:
https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generati...400whp-971517/
and his thread about the build:
https://www.rx7club.com/single-turbo...-814584/page4/
Note his statement in the FS thread that most of the work was performed by Protech Automotive here in Austin.
I looked back at my for sale thread, and all of our PMs. Even have them laid out in a word document to see what I said to you and what I didn't. Here's my statement to you that I think sums up this entire transaction.
"Turbos are definitely a "get what you pay for" type of thing. If you're on a budget, then you should consider my 60-1 setup. It works just fine with minor damage and is half the price of the Aspec kit. You don't get the "GT" technology of the 35/74 turbo, and the manifold isn't as nice, but then again, that's why it is probably the cheapest full turbo kit listed on rx7club right now."
You bought a cheap setup. I asked if you had any questions. I made ZERO commitments as to fitment prior to the sale. My comment on the pictures is tied to my surprise that after weeks of silence on email and discussion the A-spec setup, you email and want to purchase the 60-1 setup that you never even asked me about. Yes, I was and still am surprised that you chose to do that.
I"m not dragging anything out, i'm trying to figure out how you are having problems that I didn't. I'm trying to figure out if I mislead you, and I don't believe that I did.
My "astronaut" welder had nothing to do with this setup as evidenced by my statement that I pulled this off a car I purchased and sold. He did however build several setups for me previously including an ENTIRE manifold with dual WGs for $700 including materials, and yet somehow your guy think that he needs $500.
Sorry man. Negative feedback is negative feedback. I got it, it's not going away and so I have nothing more to say.
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My final PM to him after starting this thread
Carx7 PM to serbRx7
I'm following up one final time in PM to say that I have started a feedback thread and posted 85% of our PMs and emails, with very limited exception. You can find the post here:
https://www.rx7club.com/bad-fugly-me.../#post11477043
Any further communication should be handled in that thread as I will no longer be responding via PM.
Regards
My final statement:
I stand by my sales. I have worked very hard to keep other purchasers happy: refunding money if necessary, eating costs if something wasn't properly advertised, dissuading buyers from purchasing parts if knew it didn't meet their needs, refunding a purchase before I shipped it when buyer changed his mind.
I drove the car home that this turbo setup came off. The other exhaust on the car included a RB cat back and an un-resonated midpipe. They were both stock, but I never claimed that in my forsale ad or any communications for this turbo setup. I included the parts advertised, the turbo is functional and running when removed. I have never been provided pics of the issues this buyer has. I feel that 2 MONTHS after he made a purchase, he wants me to pay for it because he wanted perfection and didn't want to pay for it.
I'm following up one final time in PM to say that I have started a feedback thread and posted 85% of our PMs and emails, with very limited exception. You can find the post here:
https://www.rx7club.com/bad-fugly-me.../#post11477043
Any further communication should be handled in that thread as I will no longer be responding via PM.
Regards
My final statement:
I stand by my sales. I have worked very hard to keep other purchasers happy: refunding money if necessary, eating costs if something wasn't properly advertised, dissuading buyers from purchasing parts if knew it didn't meet their needs, refunding a purchase before I shipped it when buyer changed his mind.
I drove the car home that this turbo setup came off. The other exhaust on the car included a RB cat back and an un-resonated midpipe. They were both stock, but I never claimed that in my forsale ad or any communications for this turbo setup. I included the parts advertised, the turbo is functional and running when removed. I have never been provided pics of the issues this buyer has. I feel that 2 MONTHS after he made a purchase, he wants me to pay for it because he wanted perfection and didn't want to pay for it.
- from sellers good standing in the club and comment like ("It works just fine" "400hp") i was lead to assume that turbo kit had no other problems but the ones listed and ones obvious from pic posted in his for sale section...
listed / obvious problems
- minor damage to turbine
- cheap manifold - obvious
- i was ok with this two problems
yes we exchanged couple of details about families...mad me trust him bit more...everthing was cool seamed like all right guy to me
i did not think i would have any other problem to be concerned about ...
it was still winter here in NY,,, i could not test fit the kit right a way... i dont have a heated garage..and last thing on my minde was i just got scrued ower by the guy that has all positive feedback and seams to be nice up front guy...
i did repost downpipe,manifold and wasgate for sale not knowing of other problems...parts didnt sell... i didnt exactly posed them up cheap as i tought it would fit and work well...
whether started getting nicer so i set out to test fit the kit with all the parts provided...everything was looking good until i installed the downpipe ... downpipe just dose not line up with rest of the exhaust properly it dos not travel trough proper tunneling and midpipe is pressed against underbody bracing right after the connection with downpipe...it moves midpipe closer to transmission...way out of the proper position...this is with RB exhaust and bonez high flow cat midpipe... i would not call this turbo kit "It works just fine" by any means...This fitment problem is not ok with me it was not listed i dought seller even know about it as he cantinues to state that it works just fine
- if this kit just bolted up right he would have never hear from me ..i am soure his car did not have all the stock underbracing and he did not see any problems with the exhaust the way it was,,, but it would have been something i would defenatly know if i was taking that kit of that car and something he should have noticed as he said this is not his firs fd and that he worked on them him self
to make this clear ...i do not have any problems with originaly sated condition of this kit and what was obvious from the pic...my prblem is with what was not staed...the fitment isue with downpipe
it apears that the seler did not know about fitment problems or he is just playing ignorant and denying existence of such a problem for some reason as he still calims that the kit works just fine...
i will follow up with PIC or video to show the problem
listed / obvious problems
- minor damage to turbine
- cheap manifold - obvious
- i was ok with this two problems
yes we exchanged couple of details about families...mad me trust him bit more...everthing was cool seamed like all right guy to me
i did not think i would have any other problem to be concerned about ...
it was still winter here in NY,,, i could not test fit the kit right a way... i dont have a heated garage..and last thing on my minde was i just got scrued ower by the guy that has all positive feedback and seams to be nice up front guy...
i did repost downpipe,manifold and wasgate for sale not knowing of other problems...parts didnt sell... i didnt exactly posed them up cheap as i tought it would fit and work well...
whether started getting nicer so i set out to test fit the kit with all the parts provided...everything was looking good until i installed the downpipe ... downpipe just dose not line up with rest of the exhaust properly it dos not travel trough proper tunneling and midpipe is pressed against underbody bracing right after the connection with downpipe...it moves midpipe closer to transmission...way out of the proper position...this is with RB exhaust and bonez high flow cat midpipe... i would not call this turbo kit "It works just fine" by any means...This fitment problem is not ok with me it was not listed i dought seller even know about it as he cantinues to state that it works just fine
- if this kit just bolted up right he would have never hear from me ..i am soure his car did not have all the stock underbracing and he did not see any problems with the exhaust the way it was,,, but it would have been something i would defenatly know if i was taking that kit of that car and something he should have noticed as he said this is not his firs fd and that he worked on them him self
to make this clear ...i do not have any problems with originaly sated condition of this kit and what was obvious from the pic...my prblem is with what was not staed...the fitment isue with downpipe
it apears that the seler did not know about fitment problems or he is just playing ignorant and denying existence of such a problem for some reason as he still calims that the kit works just fine...
i will follow up with PIC or video to show the problem
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- from sellers good standing in the club and comment like ("It works just fine" "400hp") i was lead to assume that turbo kit had no other problems but the ones listed and ones obvious from pic posted in his for sale section...
listed / obvious problems
- minor damage to turbine
- cheap manifold - obvious
- i was ok with this two problems
yes we exchanged couple of details about families...mad me trust him bit more...everthing was cool seamed like all right guy to me
i did not think i would have any other problem to be concerned about ...
it was still winter here in NY,,, i could not test fit the kit right a way... i dont have a heated garage..and last thing on my minde was i just got scrued ower by the guy that has all positive feedback and seams to be nice up front guy...
listed / obvious problems
- minor damage to turbine
- cheap manifold - obvious
- i was ok with this two problems
yes we exchanged couple of details about families...mad me trust him bit more...everthing was cool seamed like all right guy to me
i did not think i would have any other problem to be concerned about ...
it was still winter here in NY,,, i could not test fit the kit right a way... i dont have a heated garage..and last thing on my minde was i just got scrued ower by the guy that has all positive feedback and seams to be nice up front guy...
I do not see where you "got screwed over" in this. You cannot possibly expect him to know the exact condition of your car. You keep insisting that the difference is on his end....what if it is on your car instead? There's no way of knowing. The fact is that he advertised that the kit fit on his car, which it did....and I see nothing in there where he guaranteed that you would not have to do anything to make it fit on your car. These arent Honda Civics, you know.
He is not responsible for your weather or the fact that you do not have a heated garage. I grew up in New England, so I can certainly sympathize with you.....but he is not to blame for that.
i did repost downpipe,manifold and wasgate for sale not knowing of other problems...parts didnt sell... i didnt exactly posed them up cheap as i tought it would fit and work well...
whether started getting nicer so i set out to test fit the kit with all the parts provided...everything was looking good until i installed the downpipe ... downpipe just dose not line up with rest of the exhaust properly it dos not travel trough proper tunneling and midpipe is pressed against underbody bracing right after the connection with downpipe...it moves midpipe closer to transmission...way out of the proper position...this is with RB exhaust and bonez high flow cat midpipe... i would not call this turbo kit "It works just fine" by any means...This fitment problem is not ok with me it was not listed i dought seller even know about it as he cantinues to state that it works just fine
[B]- if this kit just bolted up right he would have never hear from me ..i am soure his car did not have all the stock underbracing and he did not see any problems with the exhaust the way it was,,,
but it would have been something i would defenatly know if i was taking that kit of that car and something he should have noticed as he said this is not his firs fd and that he worked on them him self
to make this clear ...i do not have any problems with originaly sated condition of this kit and what was obvious from the pic...my prblem is with what was not staed...the fitment isue with downpipe
it apears that the seler did not know about fitment problems or he is just playing ignorant and denying existence of such a problem for some reason as he still calims that the kit works just fine...
My first question would have been "did this setup need any special modifications to fit your car?" My second would have been "did it fit properly or was it a mickey mouse job?" This would have made perfect sense for you to ask, especially since it seems to be one of your concerns with a kit like this. Yet you did not ask.
Here's the deal on this--we do not take kindly to words like "screwed over" or "scammer" being used without actual proof that this is in fact what happened. Those words are not to be thrown around just because there's a disagreement. I see NOWHERE where this seller misled you or lied to you. I see where you rushed to buy this kit based only on its price. There's a certain amount of common sense when dealing with turbo RX7s that we all need to keep in mind--one example of which would be to ask all questions first. There are lots of parts made for our cars that are advertised to "fit"....it is your responsibility as a buyer to ensure that your needs will be met before you purchase. I frankly do not see where he owes you anything, and I do not see where he deserves to be trashed with negative feedback like you gave him either. You said you would take pics or video, and I would like to see those when you do.
1200 in price was do to mileage and damage to the turbine and cheap manifold....
and not misaligned downpipe - that's what he stated
there was nothing suggesting bad fitment... from the PIC and the time it was taken to reroute the wastgate back to downpipes...
he suggested the kit... sad it worked just fine even with the damage to turbine ...
i never had problem with anyone on hear before selling me part that was not fitting properly
here is the pic... i had to take the tunnel brace off to bolt it up...
with my brand new bonez midpipe and RB exhaust
http://s24.postimg.org/c6nvxoih1/photo.jpg
http://s21.postimg.org/998dk76g7/photo133.jpg
and not misaligned downpipe - that's what he stated
there was nothing suggesting bad fitment... from the PIC and the time it was taken to reroute the wastgate back to downpipes...
he suggested the kit... sad it worked just fine even with the damage to turbine ...
i never had problem with anyone on hear before selling me part that was not fitting properly
here is the pic... i had to take the tunnel brace off to bolt it up...
with my brand new bonez midpipe and RB exhaust
http://s24.postimg.org/c6nvxoih1/photo.jpg
http://s21.postimg.org/998dk76g7/photo133.jpg
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I can not find record that I ever stated anything about "downpipe misalignment", or "perfect alignment" or "down pipe fitment". Prior to your purchase of this setup, please send me the time/date/and format (PM or email) of my statement where I used the words "fitment" or "alignment" to describe to you the manner in which the downpipe mated to the midpipe. Since we never discussed your car or application, I would no sooner have guaranteed fitment of the downpipe than I would have guaranteed the turbo would mate with your intercooler piping without some work.
I don't even understand what that last part is trying to say.
Again with calling me dishonest. I never once lied nor did I have ANY intention of misleading you or anyone else for that matter. This setup came off a running car is the statement I made. It's a $1200 turbo/manifold/downpipe/wastegate/ with oil and water lines.
I hate to argue semantics.... but I said the kit "works" I never said anything about how it "fits" and those two words have ENTIRELY different meanings. If you had asked for a kit that "fit" best I'd have said to get the A-spec kit. You told me that the A-spec kit wouldn't "fit" your car. How am I to know what "fits" your car or not?
Directly from my forsale ad:
coupled with your statement and pictures above
I think your statement "bolt it up" and those pics show that this setup bolts into your car... and even that is technically more that I ever claimed it would do.
I'm really sorry, but I advertised this for cheap. I told you in our first communication that turbos are a "Get what you pay for" type of thing. I offered to send pics and answer any questions. The only question you asked was if I would take a cheaper price which I did. I didn't advertise that the setup had some surface rust, or that it was a little dirty either and even though this was a cheap used setup, at this point I'm surprised you aren't complaining about those as well.
I'm sorry you are unhappy and I wish you had asked more specific questions (or any at all) before purchasing this setup. I"m always happy to answer questions and send pictures of items I am selling prior to a purchase. The only problems I have ever encountered before were shipping related ,and in those events I have worked hard to ensure a fair agreement for both parties is reached to maintain my positive feedback.
Directly from my forsale ad:
60-1BB turbo setup. Small knicks on turbine wheel but was running and boosting great when removed. Comes with manifold, lines, DP, WG etc. $1300 shipped
i had to take the tunnel brace off to bolt it up...
http://s24.postimg.org/c6nvxoih1/photo.jpg
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I'm really sorry, but I advertised this for cheap. I told you in our first communication that turbos are a "Get what you pay for" type of thing. I offered to send pics and answer any questions. The only question you asked was if I would take a cheaper price which I did. I didn't advertise that the setup had some surface rust, or that it was a little dirty either and even though this was a cheap used setup, at this point I'm surprised you aren't complaining about those as well.
I'm sorry you are unhappy and I wish you had asked more specific questions (or any at all) before purchasing this setup. I"m always happy to answer questions and send pictures of items I am selling prior to a purchase. The only problems I have ever encountered before were shipping related ,and in those events I have worked hard to ensure a fair agreement for both parties is reached to maintain my positive feedback.
sorry for my bad English not my first language
but i think you will understand this - ok w not stand behind what you sell...thats fine ,,,i am done with this
i didn't know we are here to play one word, hide stuff and stick other people
you did not disclose full condition of the kit asked or not in my book thats scamming
withholding information from a buyer for a profit its a scam
you stated your self this is not first rx7 you owned so you can say what you want ...but you did know about this problem
but i think you will understand this - ok w not stand behind what you sell...thats fine ,,,i am done with this
i didn't know we are here to play one word, hide stuff and stick other people
you did not disclose full condition of the kit asked or not in my book thats scamming
withholding information from a buyer for a profit its a scam
you stated your self this is not first rx7 you owned so you can say what you want ...but you did know about this problem
Last edited by rx7roller02; May 26, 2013 at 08:48 PM. Reason: taking out the trash
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Alright, I've about had enough of this.
serb--youre really pushing me on this one and its time to STOP.
I read every word he used to advertise this for sale. AT NO TIME did he tell you or anyone else that it was guaranteed to be a direct fit, bolt-on, cookie cutter turbo kit. PERIOD. He said it worked on his car. NOTHING MORE. In other words, HE DID NOT LIE TO YOU OR SCAM YOU IN ANY WAY.
So here's how this is going to go--You will stop leaving him negative feedbacks in his iTrader score. You shouldnt have left him one, let alone leaving him a SECOND one for only one sale. You will STOP messing with his for-sale threads. You will STOP insulting him and cursing at him. You will STOP calling him dishonest, liar, etc etc. Round these parts, accusations like those are taken very seriously and not to be just thrown around because of your own misunderstanding.
You got a cheap turbo kit. You paid for a cheap turbo kit. Wanna know why cheap turbo kits are cheap? Because they do not use name-brand parts, because they are not 100% custom-fit so that they will bolt on in a breeze, because modifications could be necessary. If you do not like it, then do not buy $1200 turbo kits. LEARN WHAT YOU ARE BUYING....ASK QUESTIONS...DO NOT ASSUME ANYTHING. He delivered EXACTLY what he told you he was selling....end of story.
Next time I see you messing with his threads, his iTrader feedback, insulting him, cursing him out, or calling him liar, scammer, dishonest, etc etc, you WILL BE BANNED FOR IT.
We're done here.
serb--youre really pushing me on this one and its time to STOP.
I read every word he used to advertise this for sale. AT NO TIME did he tell you or anyone else that it was guaranteed to be a direct fit, bolt-on, cookie cutter turbo kit. PERIOD. He said it worked on his car. NOTHING MORE. In other words, HE DID NOT LIE TO YOU OR SCAM YOU IN ANY WAY.
So here's how this is going to go--You will stop leaving him negative feedbacks in his iTrader score. You shouldnt have left him one, let alone leaving him a SECOND one for only one sale. You will STOP messing with his for-sale threads. You will STOP insulting him and cursing at him. You will STOP calling him dishonest, liar, etc etc. Round these parts, accusations like those are taken very seriously and not to be just thrown around because of your own misunderstanding.
You got a cheap turbo kit. You paid for a cheap turbo kit. Wanna know why cheap turbo kits are cheap? Because they do not use name-brand parts, because they are not 100% custom-fit so that they will bolt on in a breeze, because modifications could be necessary. If you do not like it, then do not buy $1200 turbo kits. LEARN WHAT YOU ARE BUYING....ASK QUESTIONS...DO NOT ASSUME ANYTHING. He delivered EXACTLY what he told you he was selling....end of story.
Next time I see you messing with his threads, his iTrader feedback, insulting him, cursing him out, or calling him liar, scammer, dishonest, etc etc, you WILL BE BANNED FOR IT.
We're done here.
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