1FASSTFD3S Did not pay!!!
08-08-14, 10:44 PM
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1FASSTFD3S Did not pay!!!
His name is David Eppinger. He lives in Long Beach.
He purchased my MOTEC M4. He apparently did not read the ad , or look at the pics. The ad clearly stated, "Engine Harness used in other project." Or he was not well versed in actual pro built racing harnesses for MOTEC ECU, as being two piece . Chassis and Engine with a huge Amphenol connector in the middle. AS THE PICS CLEARLY SHOW!!!
He is saying that I stated that the harness was complete. I stated many times in texts, that the "harness stops at the engine." I did say that used the sensors from a13BREW. But never that it had an engine harness.
The ad and pics are crystal clear.
He received my parts on 7-31-14. I have no payment as of yet. 8-8-14.
This is the thread:
https://www.rx7club.com/race-parts-o...ckage-1054043/
Should NOT have been marked as "SOLD", as he did not yet pay although he has my parts.
Unscrupulous buyer, so he must be the same when selling.
Get the money first if you're selling. Gt the parts first if you're buying.
He purchased my MOTEC M4. He apparently did not read the ad , or look at the pics. The ad clearly stated, "Engine Harness used in other project." Or he was not well versed in actual pro built racing harnesses for MOTEC ECU, as being two piece . Chassis and Engine with a huge Amphenol connector in the middle. AS THE PICS CLEARLY SHOW!!!
He is saying that I stated that the harness was complete. I stated many times in texts, that the "harness stops at the engine." I did say that used the sensors from a13BREW. But never that it had an engine harness.
The ad and pics are crystal clear.
He received my parts on 7-31-14. I have no payment as of yet. 8-8-14.
This is the thread:
https://www.rx7club.com/race-parts-o...ckage-1054043/
Should NOT have been marked as "SOLD", as he did not yet pay although he has my parts.
Unscrupulous buyer, so he must be the same when selling.
Get the money first if you're selling. Gt the parts first if you're buying.
08-08-14, 11:10 PM
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What were the terms of the sale? Just asking because you shipped it prior to receiving payment. I have done so before and would trust David ( 1fasstfd3s) in this type of situation.
Have you had any communication from him that states he is not planning to pay you?
Usually when items are sold and not shipped within such a short period (less than two weeks) there is no big issue here on the forums from what I can recall.
Hope you can clear up some of this because I really would be surprised to see find out he is trying to run away with a product and not pay for it.
Have you had any communication from him that states he is not planning to pay you?
Usually when items are sold and not shipped within such a short period (less than two weeks) there is no big issue here on the forums from what I can recall.
Hope you can clear up some of this because I really would be surprised to see find out he is trying to run away with a product and not pay for it.
08-09-14, 02:10 AM
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What were the terms of the sale? Just asking because you shipped it prior to receiving payment. I have done so before and would trust David ( 1fasstfd3s) in this type of situation.
Have you had any communication from him that states he is not planning to pay you?
Usually when items are sold and not shipped within such a short period (less than two weeks) there is no big issue here on the forums from what I can recall.
Hope you can clear up some of this because I really would be surprised to see find out he is trying to run away with a product and not pay for it.
Have you had any communication from him that states he is not planning to pay you?
Usually when items are sold and not shipped within such a short period (less than two weeks) there is no big issue here on the forums from what I can recall.
Hope you can clear up some of this because I really would be surprised to see find out he is trying to run away with a product and not pay for it.
It IS an issue of trust and integrity. I did trust him, and got the run around. I got text after text of how it was not clear, not explained, not obvious. The pics were painfully obvious. Other members had no issue with what was pictured. Or what was stated in the text of the ad.
The issue was that he did not understand the fact that was clearly displayed of the professional harness. True racing harnesses are two piece. In case of an engine fire, the lower harness can be replaced during a pit stop. The pics were clear. The text of the ad was clear. It was out of his realm of understanding of what a racing harness was like. I did not try to deceive anyone. But he tried to "leverage his ownership of my parts."
The transaction was supposed to be simultaneous. But he came up with lame excuses of , 'It's my birth day. I'll be out of town. I'll get you the money on Monday."
Bottom line is, I held up MY part of the transaction. And he has yet to honor his part of paying for the merchandise. I did offer to work with him, once he pays for the parts, and ONLY if he pays. But still no money. There was an issue of mis-spelling his last name. But he was notified at his proper address from FeDex, AND I cleared that up immediately so HE could get his parts.
He has his parts and he still has not paid. When you have something you did not pay for, that is stealing.
I do have the proper text messages, and the Fedex documents and am proceeding with the local Long Beach Police. $1000 is serious money.
08-09-14, 11:26 AM
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All transactions should be done through PayPal not verbally or texting. I'm sure hes going to respond sooner or later unless he wants it to escalade to a legal matter. But please have some kind of sense when dealing with members you don't know at all. That's why I dont do trades nor sell parts without payment I've personally have got the short end of the stick.
08-10-14, 07:40 AM
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A couple things to note here.
you Sent the parts before Payment,before the sale was clear of what the buyer intended on recieving.That is a good way to be in the predicament that you are in.
your Statement above: Get the money first if you're selling. Gt the parts first if you're buying.
What?..
*get the money IF you are selling.YES (that you did NOT.you sent the parts without payment)
*get the Parts BEFORE if you are Buying..Well that's what HE did..you LET HIM.That is Your mistake, not his.(sorry,I had to point that out).
Also Why are you trying to post the parts FOR SALE, Again, in the Racing section as you submitted an Ad to be approved and the parts are supposed to be in 1faastfd3s's possession and you stated that above?
If you do not have the parts how can you sell them?(explain that please.)
A private message has been Sent to the Member(1faastfd3s) so he can respond.
you Sent the parts before Payment,before the sale was clear of what the buyer intended on recieving.That is a good way to be in the predicament that you are in.
your Statement above: Get the money first if you're selling. Gt the parts first if you're buying.
What?..
*get the money IF you are selling.YES (that you did NOT.you sent the parts without payment)
*get the Parts BEFORE if you are Buying..Well that's what HE did..you LET HIM.That is Your mistake, not his.(sorry,I had to point that out).
Also Why are you trying to post the parts FOR SALE, Again, in the Racing section as you submitted an Ad to be approved and the parts are supposed to be in 1faastfd3s's possession and you stated that above?
If you do not have the parts how can you sell them?(explain that please.)
A private message has been Sent to the Member(1faastfd3s) so he can respond.
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08-10-14, 03:24 PM
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Thankfully one of the mods sent me a message letting me know about this thread. A couple of things that should be stated first, I never asked him to ship the items to me without paying first, he took it upon himself to ship. He also neglects to mention that he not only shipped to the wrong address (he did not put my unit # on the package so the package was held at the post office for pickup), but he also puts the wrong name on the package so that its impossible for me to go pickup the package. I was out of town when this was all happening & when I got back in town I contacted the shipping company with the tracking # to get more information about where it was being held and how to pick it up & was notified that because I was not the sender & my name was not listed as the receiver that they could not provide me information regarding the package. I contacted the seller and informed him of this and he said he would call and take care of it. While he was taking care of this I was having another look at his sale ad reading over whats all included and I contacted him and asked him to clarify whether or not the harness that was included was for a Fc 13b or for a Fd 13brew & he responded that it was indeed for a 13brew. I asked him if it would plug into the stock 13brew sensors and he confirmed that yes it would plug into all the stock 13brew sensors except that it used a Gm 3 bar map sensor. I said that was perfect and is exactly what I needed. When he got back to me about correcting the shipping information he said that he corrected the name & that I would be able to pickup. I told him I would try to make it out the next day to go pick it up. At this point everything seemed fine, however I was talking to one of my friends who is big into Motec's about the setup and was showing him pictures of the setup. I mentioned that it plugs into the 13brew and while he was checking out the pictures he asked me some specifics about my setup and realized that something didnt look right in the pictures. He asked if this was pictures of everything and I said I believed so & he said he didnt see some of the connectors that should be on the harness. I contacted the seller and asked him about this & come to find our that it does not include any of the connectors that he told me previously that it did. I asked him why he told me it plugged into 13brew and he stated that he meant the ecu itself would work with the 13brew. I said, no I specifically asked you if it plugged into the 13brew as I wanted to be sure it would plug into my motor and he said yes. He had no answer for that and said I should have looked at the ad & says he states in the ad the harness goes all the way to the engine & I said yes, so that means it goes to the engine & just to be sure I made sure he clarified that it would plug into the 13brew and he said yes. I then states that Id need to talk to my buddy about how much it would cost for the remaining components to be able to have it plug into my motor & decide what to do based on that or I said I could just send him back his package. He then tells me I need to pay him by the end of the day or he would report me for ripping him off. I, completely confused by his reaction/statement, told him no one was ripping him off & that I was trying to be understanding about the miscommunication & the fact that he already shipped it out so maybe we could work something out after I see what other costs were involved that I didnt anticipate before otherwise I it would just need to be mailed back to him. He tells me he wants his $$$$ & I have til the end of the night to paypal him and if he doesn't receive payment via Paypal that he threatens to report me in the good guy/ bad guy section of the forum. I immediately told him that I didn't want or have time for drama & to just take his item back. He said that I agreed to pay him & he wanted me to honor my "commitment", but he also says to send it back Fedex so that it has a good tracking # & a record that it was delivered, but that its Bullshit and if its missing parts or is damaged that he would post the story.. I was concerned as the whole situation seemed ridiculous and shady and I didnt want any part of it. He sends me another message saying to pay him & before I reply I get a message from the mod saying he posted this. And here we are..
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There seems to be some confusion as to what exactly was said to be delivered. I cannot see any of that....the only thing I can see is that when the seller listed this, he specifically stated that the parts included the harness "UP TO THE ENGINE", which would cause me as a prospective buyer to believe that the harness only up to the engine was included.
So now, we have a mess....and honestly, what in the world happened here? Why would you send parts to someone without getting payment first? Why would you send them to the wrong name and address? And when all is said and done, why would you make threats instead of simply talking this out like men first? Seems like not a lot of conversation took place about the mixups and what to do to fix them. The solution really is simple....
1FAASTFD3S--do you want the parts? If you need a couple days or something to figure out what else is needed, then thats understandable, but at this point, it really is on you that you did not read the FS thread clearly. I cannot fault him for the way he listed the parts for sale, as noted above, and I cannot comment on what else you two discussed without being able to see those conversations too. But honestly, I'm going to ask that you wrap up your checking in the next couple days, so that this can move forward. Please get back to me and let me know what you think.
gawdodirt.....here's my take.
1--you have been here for over 5 years. but you have a zero iTrader rating. There's no reason to immediately jump to threats and talk of someone supposedly jacking you around, etc etc etc, when the person you are saying these things about has the reputation that he has here. Yes, you listed the items clearly enough for my liking, for whatever that's worth. But then your whole plan goes south from there.
2--you posted as recently as 7/25/14 in your FS thread, which is 16 days ago as of today. That means, in less than two weeks' time, you managed to:
--ship parts without getting payment first.
--put the wrong name on the package.
--put the wrong address on the package.
--instantly accuse a buyer of trying to rip you off
--threaten to treat him like a scammer unless he pays you immediately, with ZERO understanding of the situation you helped to create.
Did I miss anything there? wow. Let me help you out here--it is not at all our policy to see sellers lose parts without getting paid. But you advertised these parts for sale at the end of 2013. I fail to see why all of a sudden there's this massive full-court press to get paid when a little communication and community spirit on your part could have made this whole mess get fixed in not much time at all. This place used to be a community where people helped each other....it really sucks *** to see that for most people here now, it's all about them and nothing else seems to matter. THIS JUST IN--we are a shrinking community. These cars are not being built anymore, and unless we rely upon each other as a community, the end will come far more quickly. One by one, the shops that used to work on our cars are disappearing too. Some years ago, we had lots more options for things. The pickings are getting slimmer as time goes on. And if this is how you intend to treat people here, then you own the wrong kind of car and you're on the wrong forum.
That being said, chill out. We are not going to let someone keep your parts and not pay you for them.
And then, you can explain to us why you listed these parts for sale again and you do not even have them in your possession at the time you posted the new thread?? BIG no-no. If it is not in your hands, it is not suitable for listing on this forum for sale. The reasons should be obvious.
At this point, it's up to the buyer to communicate in here what his intentions are. And I have no doubt at all that he will handle this just fine--as long as you stop accusing him of ripping you off without any good reason whatsoever.
So now, we have a mess....and honestly, what in the world happened here? Why would you send parts to someone without getting payment first? Why would you send them to the wrong name and address? And when all is said and done, why would you make threats instead of simply talking this out like men first? Seems like not a lot of conversation took place about the mixups and what to do to fix them. The solution really is simple....
1FAASTFD3S--do you want the parts? If you need a couple days or something to figure out what else is needed, then thats understandable, but at this point, it really is on you that you did not read the FS thread clearly. I cannot fault him for the way he listed the parts for sale, as noted above, and I cannot comment on what else you two discussed without being able to see those conversations too. But honestly, I'm going to ask that you wrap up your checking in the next couple days, so that this can move forward. Please get back to me and let me know what you think.
gawdodirt.....here's my take.
1--you have been here for over 5 years. but you have a zero iTrader rating. There's no reason to immediately jump to threats and talk of someone supposedly jacking you around, etc etc etc, when the person you are saying these things about has the reputation that he has here. Yes, you listed the items clearly enough for my liking, for whatever that's worth. But then your whole plan goes south from there.
2--you posted as recently as 7/25/14 in your FS thread, which is 16 days ago as of today. That means, in less than two weeks' time, you managed to:
--ship parts without getting payment first.
--put the wrong name on the package.
--put the wrong address on the package.
--instantly accuse a buyer of trying to rip you off
--threaten to treat him like a scammer unless he pays you immediately, with ZERO understanding of the situation you helped to create.
Did I miss anything there? wow. Let me help you out here--it is not at all our policy to see sellers lose parts without getting paid. But you advertised these parts for sale at the end of 2013. I fail to see why all of a sudden there's this massive full-court press to get paid when a little communication and community spirit on your part could have made this whole mess get fixed in not much time at all. This place used to be a community where people helped each other....it really sucks *** to see that for most people here now, it's all about them and nothing else seems to matter. THIS JUST IN--we are a shrinking community. These cars are not being built anymore, and unless we rely upon each other as a community, the end will come far more quickly. One by one, the shops that used to work on our cars are disappearing too. Some years ago, we had lots more options for things. The pickings are getting slimmer as time goes on. And if this is how you intend to treat people here, then you own the wrong kind of car and you're on the wrong forum.
That being said, chill out. We are not going to let someone keep your parts and not pay you for them.
And then, you can explain to us why you listed these parts for sale again and you do not even have them in your possession at the time you posted the new thread?? BIG no-no. If it is not in your hands, it is not suitable for listing on this forum for sale. The reasons should be obvious.
At this point, it's up to the buyer to communicate in here what his intentions are. And I have no doubt at all that he will handle this just fine--as long as you stop accusing him of ripping you off without any good reason whatsoever.
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Just saw this reply and while I would be fine with checking into the costs involved with getting what else is needed I think the seller would like and I think its more advisable to just have his parts shipped back to him and be done with this situation lest some other issue arise or something else not be what was stated. Seller(and mods please correct if not appropriate) please post the full shipping address you would like the items shipped back to here on this thread & Ill post tracking immediately after its sent. Thank you.
There seems to be some confusion as to what exactly was said to be delivered. I cannot see any of that....the only thing I can see is that when the seller listed this, he specifically stated that the parts included the harness "UP TO THE ENGINE", which would cause me as a prospective buyer to believe that the harness only up to the engine was included.
So now, we have a mess....and honestly, what in the world happened here? Why would you send parts to someone without getting payment first? Why would you send them to the wrong name and address? And when all is said and done, why would you make threats instead of simply talking this out like men first? Seems like not a lot of conversation took place about the mixups and what to do to fix them. The solution really is simple....
1FAASTFD3S--do you want the parts? If you need a couple days or something to figure out what else is needed, then thats understandable, but at this point, it really is on you that you did not read the FS thread clearly. I cannot fault him for the way he listed the parts for sale, as noted above, and I cannot comment on what else you two discussed without being able to see those conversations too. But honestly, I'm going to ask that you wrap up your checking in the next couple days, so that this can move forward. Please get back to me and let me know what you think.
gawdodirt.....here's my take.
1--you have been here for over 5 years. but you have a zero iTrader rating. There's no reason to immediately jump to threats and talk of someone supposedly jacking you around, etc etc etc, when the person you are saying these things about has the reputation that he has here. Yes, you listed the items clearly enough for my liking, for whatever that's worth. But then your whole plan goes south from there.
2--you posted as recently as 7/25/14 in your FS thread, which is 16 days ago as of today. That means, in less than two weeks' time, you managed to:
--ship parts without getting payment first.
--put the wrong name on the package.
--put the wrong address on the package.
--instantly accuse a buyer of trying to rip you off
--threaten to treat him like a scammer unless he pays you immediately, with ZERO understanding of the situation you helped to create.
Did I miss anything there? wow. Let me help you out here--it is not at all our policy to see sellers lose parts without getting paid. But you advertised these parts for sale at the end of 2013. I fail to see why all of a sudden there's this massive full-court press to get paid when a little communication and community spirit on your part could have made this whole mess get fixed in not much time at all. This place used to be a community where people helped each other....it really sucks *** to see that for most people here now, it's all about them and nothing else seems to matter. THIS JUST IN--we are a shrinking community. These cars are not being built anymore, and unless we rely upon each other as a community, the end will come far more quickly. One by one, the shops that used to work on our cars are disappearing too. Some years ago, we had lots more options for things. The pickings are getting slimmer as time goes on. And if this is how you intend to treat people here, then you own the wrong kind of car and you're on the wrong forum.
That being said, chill out. We are not going to let someone keep your parts and not pay you for them.
And then, you can explain to us why you listed these parts for sale again and you do not even have them in your possession at the time you posted the new thread?? BIG no-no. If it is not in your hands, it is not suitable for listing on this forum for sale. The reasons should be obvious.
At this point, it's up to the buyer to communicate in here what his intentions are. And I have no doubt at all that he will handle this just fine--as long as you stop accusing him of ripping you off without any good reason whatsoever.
So now, we have a mess....and honestly, what in the world happened here? Why would you send parts to someone without getting payment first? Why would you send them to the wrong name and address? And when all is said and done, why would you make threats instead of simply talking this out like men first? Seems like not a lot of conversation took place about the mixups and what to do to fix them. The solution really is simple....
1FAASTFD3S--do you want the parts? If you need a couple days or something to figure out what else is needed, then thats understandable, but at this point, it really is on you that you did not read the FS thread clearly. I cannot fault him for the way he listed the parts for sale, as noted above, and I cannot comment on what else you two discussed without being able to see those conversations too. But honestly, I'm going to ask that you wrap up your checking in the next couple days, so that this can move forward. Please get back to me and let me know what you think.
gawdodirt.....here's my take.
1--you have been here for over 5 years. but you have a zero iTrader rating. There's no reason to immediately jump to threats and talk of someone supposedly jacking you around, etc etc etc, when the person you are saying these things about has the reputation that he has here. Yes, you listed the items clearly enough for my liking, for whatever that's worth. But then your whole plan goes south from there.
2--you posted as recently as 7/25/14 in your FS thread, which is 16 days ago as of today. That means, in less than two weeks' time, you managed to:
--ship parts without getting payment first.
--put the wrong name on the package.
--put the wrong address on the package.
--instantly accuse a buyer of trying to rip you off
--threaten to treat him like a scammer unless he pays you immediately, with ZERO understanding of the situation you helped to create.
Did I miss anything there? wow. Let me help you out here--it is not at all our policy to see sellers lose parts without getting paid. But you advertised these parts for sale at the end of 2013. I fail to see why all of a sudden there's this massive full-court press to get paid when a little communication and community spirit on your part could have made this whole mess get fixed in not much time at all. This place used to be a community where people helped each other....it really sucks *** to see that for most people here now, it's all about them and nothing else seems to matter. THIS JUST IN--we are a shrinking community. These cars are not being built anymore, and unless we rely upon each other as a community, the end will come far more quickly. One by one, the shops that used to work on our cars are disappearing too. Some years ago, we had lots more options for things. The pickings are getting slimmer as time goes on. And if this is how you intend to treat people here, then you own the wrong kind of car and you're on the wrong forum.
That being said, chill out. We are not going to let someone keep your parts and not pay you for them.
And then, you can explain to us why you listed these parts for sale again and you do not even have them in your possession at the time you posted the new thread?? BIG no-no. If it is not in your hands, it is not suitable for listing on this forum for sale. The reasons should be obvious.
At this point, it's up to the buyer to communicate in here what his intentions are. And I have no doubt at all that he will handle this just fine--as long as you stop accusing him of ripping you off without any good reason whatsoever.
08-11-14, 01:28 AM
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If the seller(Gawd) does not want to publicly Publish his address then the Alternative would be to send a PM containing the full shipping info to BOTH 1FaastFd3s and Rx7roller02.(you can send to multiple parties at the same time,Or Forward the PM)
08-12-14, 07:37 PM
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1). The parts WERE supposed to be sent simultaneously WITH the payment. Through PayPal.
2). The address WAS correct, as he DID get notification as to the parts being at the depot. If the address WAS wrong, he never would have gotten notice. Right? He lied about that.
3). I cleared up the name post haste to satisfy MY portion of the agreement, and make sure he got his parts.
4). My integrity here is not in question. I DO trade and purchase here, for the last 5 years. There might not be any rating, but there are no complaints either. I PAY my bills
5). I got the run-a-round of how he could NOT send the payment due to a birthday, out of town, no banks where we're going, etc. "Hey! I got a used clutch that is PERFECT for you!!! What kind of car do you have?"
6). "Accusations with no reason." He has my parts without paying for them. In most courts, that is either a gift, or theft. So, since we both state that there was an agreement to PAY for them AS LISTED, And payment has not yet been made, It would be theft.
7). Our communication on his possible purchase of these parts in question, has been going on since 4/2014. So this is not a full court press. I have been more than patient with this member.
8). On how I treat people here. I have been open to giving advice on issues I have knowledge of, since 2009. Just because I do not require fanfare, does not mean I am not a contributing member in good standing. I treat people how I want to be treated. I pay my bills.
The bottom line here is that I did , in earnest list the parts properly and sent them by our agreement. He does NOW have my parts and has not sent the payment.
I listed them again, in hopes that he will own up to his agreement, and I could sell them, to someone else. IF they're not damaged in anger.
I hope he does do the right thing, as it will be costly if he does not. We both lose if he chooses to default.
The "RETURN shipping address" WAS on the label. It was Fedex. Please return my items , in the same shape you received them. NO POSTING OF ANY TRACKING INFO! THAT IS NOT APPROPRIATE.
Sincerely,
GD
1). The parts WERE supposed to be sent simultaneously WITH the payment. Through PayPal.
2). The address WAS correct, as he DID get notification as to the parts being at the depot. If the address WAS wrong, he never would have gotten notice. Right? He lied about that.
3). I cleared up the name post haste to satisfy MY portion of the agreement, and make sure he got his parts.
4). My integrity here is not in question. I DO trade and purchase here, for the last 5 years. There might not be any rating, but there are no complaints either. I PAY my bills
5). I got the run-a-round of how he could NOT send the payment due to a birthday, out of town, no banks where we're going, etc. "Hey! I got a used clutch that is PERFECT for you!!! What kind of car do you have?"
6). "Accusations with no reason." He has my parts without paying for them. In most courts, that is either a gift, or theft. So, since we both state that there was an agreement to PAY for them AS LISTED, And payment has not yet been made, It would be theft.
7). Our communication on his possible purchase of these parts in question, has been going on since 4/2014. So this is not a full court press. I have been more than patient with this member.
8). On how I treat people here. I have been open to giving advice on issues I have knowledge of, since 2009. Just because I do not require fanfare, does not mean I am not a contributing member in good standing. I treat people how I want to be treated. I pay my bills.
The bottom line here is that I did , in earnest list the parts properly and sent them by our agreement. He does NOW have my parts and has not sent the payment.
I listed them again, in hopes that he will own up to his agreement, and I could sell them, to someone else. IF they're not damaged in anger.
I hope he does do the right thing, as it will be costly if he does not. We both lose if he chooses to default.
The "RETURN shipping address" WAS on the label. It was Fedex. Please return my items , in the same shape you received them. NO POSTING OF ANY TRACKING INFO! THAT IS NOT APPROPRIATE.
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I listed them again, in hopes that he will own up to his agreement, and I could sell them, to someone else. IF they're not damaged in anger.
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NO!, your AD was DELETED as you do not have possession of the Item,so how can you Rightfully sell OR receive a Payment of an Item that is NOT in your Possession???..and IF the parts did come back damaged and your "ad" is stating the parts are good condition you would be not be truthful about the condition if you had already sold it and received payment..SO YOUR AD IS DELETED.
Once you receive the parts back you can Post an AD,but until then it would misrepresentation and outright deception that you have the parts and can ship them.SO do not even try to post until it is confirmed that the parts are actually back in your hands.
I listed them again, in hopes that he will own up to his agreement, and I could sell them, to someone else. IF they're not damaged in anger.
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NO!, your AD was DELETED as you do not have possession of the Item,so how can you Rightfully sell OR receive a Payment of an Item that is NOT in your Possession???..and IF the parts did come back damaged and your "ad" is stating the parts are good condition you would be not be truthful about the condition if you had already sold it and received payment..SO YOUR AD IS DELETED.
Once you receive the parts back you can Post an AD,but until then it would misrepresentation and outright deception that you have the parts and can ship them.SO do not even try to post until it is confirmed that the parts are actually back in your hands.
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On second thought. Like AutoZone. "NO RETURN ON ELECTRICAL ITEMS."
For the same reason that most OEM's do not. They may not have been tested by a trained technician.
Got it. Ad deleted. So 1FAast3Ds can sell them if not satisfied.
I'm trying to work with you guys.
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For the same reason that most OEM's do not. They may not have been tested by a trained technician.
Got it. Ad deleted. So 1FAast3Ds can sell them if not satisfied.
I'm trying to work with you guys.
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See below!!!
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I listed them again, in hopes that he will own up to his agreement, and I could sell them, to someone else. IF they're not damaged in anger.
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NO!, your AD was DELETED as you do not have possession of the Item,so how can you Rightfully sell OR receive a Payment of an Item that is NOT in your Possession???..and IF the parts did come back damaged and your "ad" is stating the parts are good condition you would be not be truthful about the condition if you had already sold it and received payment..SO YOUR AD IS DELETED.
Once you receive the parts back you can Post an AD,but until then it would misrepresentation and outright deception that you have the parts and can ship them.SO do not even try to post until it is confirmed that the parts are actually back in your hands.
I listed them again, in hopes that he will own up to his agreement, and I could sell them, to someone else. IF they're not damaged in anger.
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NO!, your AD was DELETED as you do not have possession of the Item,so how can you Rightfully sell OR receive a Payment of an Item that is NOT in your Possession???..and IF the parts did come back damaged and your "ad" is stating the parts are good condition you would be not be truthful about the condition if you had already sold it and received payment..SO YOUR AD IS DELETED.
Once you receive the parts back you can Post an AD,but until then it would misrepresentation and outright deception that you have the parts and can ship them.SO do not even try to post until it is confirmed that the parts are actually back in your hands.
Sincerely,
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Do not send back!!!!!
He has the info, but I do not want them back. The deal was for cash. That will be fine.
I will take a reduced amount so he can "Buy" the rest of the harness. He never said he did not want the parts, only that he thought there was more included in the ad. Now there can be.
This will only be done in PM format.
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08-13-14, 02:00 AM
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1). The parts WERE supposed to be sent simultaneously WITH the payment. Through PayPal.
2). The address WAS correct, as he DID get notification as to the parts being at the depot. If the address WAS wrong, he never would have gotten notice. Right? He lied about that.
1). The parts WERE supposed to be sent simultaneously WITH the payment. Through PayPal.
2). The address WAS correct, as he DID get notification as to the parts being at the depot. If the address WAS wrong, he never would have gotten notice. Right? He lied about that.
He also neglects to mention that he not only shipped to the wrong address (he did not put my unit # on the package so the package was held at the post office for pickup), but he also puts the wrong name on the package so that its impossible for me to go pickup the package.
3). I cleared up the name post haste to satisfy MY portion of the agreement, and make sure he got his parts.
4). My integrity here is not in question. I DO trade and purchase here, for the last 5 years. There might not be any rating, but there are no complaints either. I PAY my bills
5). I got the run-a-round of how he could NOT send the payment due to a birthday, out of town, no banks where we're going, etc. "Hey! I got a used clutch that is PERFECT for you!!! What kind of car do you have?"
So, like I said, this is the point where the complaining like that needs to stop.
6). "Accusations with no reason." He has my parts without paying for them. In most courts, that is either a gift, or theft. So, since we both state that there was an agreement to PAY for them AS LISTED, And payment has not yet been made, It would be theft.
7). Our communication on his possible purchase of these parts in question, has been going on since 4/2014. So this is not a full court press. I have been more than patient with this member.
8). On how I treat people here. I have been open to giving advice on issues I have knowledge of, since 2009. Just because I do not require fanfare, does not mean I am not a contributing member in good standing. I treat people how I want to be treated. I pay my bills.
The bottom line here is that I did , in earnest list the parts properly and sent them by our agreement. He does NOW have my parts and has not sent the payment.
I listed them again, in hopes that he will own up to his agreement, and I could sell them, to someone else. IF they're not damaged in anger.
2--you are speaking about a rather highly respected member on this forum who has done a LOT of good deals. There is NOTHING to support this crap about "damaged in anger". If I see you post any more unfounded accusations or something coming close to that, I'll ban you here and now myself. That crap is against the TOS here and WILL NOT BE TOLERATED one minute more.
I hope he does do the right thing, as it will be costly if he does not. We both lose if he chooses to default.
The "RETURN shipping address" WAS on the label. It was Fedex. Please return my items , in the same shape you received them. NO POSTING OF ANY TRACKING INFO! THAT IS NOT APPROPRIATE.
On second thought. Like AutoZone. "NO RETURN ON ELECTRICAL ITEMS."
For the same reason that most OEM's do not. They may not have been tested by a trained technician.
Got it. Ad deleted. So 1FAast3Ds can sell them if not satisfied.
Got it. Ad deleted. So 1FAast3Ds can sell them if not satisfied.
not only that, but there's no way in hell that you are going to try to change the terms of the sale at this point in the game. it doesnt work like that in here.
I'm trying to work with you guys.
will take a reduced amount so he can "Buy" the rest of the harness. He never said he did not want the parts, only that he thought there was more included in the ad. Now there can be.
posted by 1FASSTFD3S:
Just saw this reply and while I would be fine with checking into the costs involved with getting what else is needed I think the seller would like and I think its more advisable to just have his parts shipped back to him and be done with this situation lest some other issue arise or something else not be what was stated. Seller(and mods please correct if not appropriate) please post the full shipping address you would like the items shipped back to here on this thread & Ill post tracking immediately after its sent. Thank you.
Just saw this reply and while I would be fine with checking into the costs involved with getting what else is needed I think the seller would like and I think its more advisable to just have his parts shipped back to him and be done with this situation lest some other issue arise or something else not be what was stated. Seller(and mods please correct if not appropriate) please post the full shipping address you would like the items shipped back to here on this thread & Ill post tracking immediately after its sent. Thank you.
This will only be done in PM format.
If youre "trying to work with us" so much, then that is how this will be done. And I dont want to hear anything more about how you dont want the parts back--you even tried to list them for sale without them even being sent back yet--because you obviously intended for the parts to come back to you. So thats the end of it. The only thing left to do now is to effect the shipping of parts back to you.
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To address his first comment, no he did not put the unit # in the address which makes it impossible for the shipping carrier to deliver & I was never notified by the shipping company of anything, He gave me a tracking # and the tracking # had stated it was not deliveriable due to incorrect address & it was being held at the ship center, which I didnt find out where it was located til after he corrected the name on the shipping label. He's been texting me asking "Where is my money?" & then says he would prefer to take a reduced amount and I keep the items. I am leary of dealing with this guy anymore because he has been so adamant about the fact that the parts will be damaged when he gets them back, which I dont understand as I; a) had no way to plug in the setup to test it or run it in the first place, 2) have never had any issues remotely similr to that before, 3) the fact that he sent the items so hurredly by his own accord without me asking or even speaking to him about this, & d) the fact that he was so quick to claim I was ripping him off when he had absolutely no reason to as I kept in communication with him & he didnt even correct the name on the package until the evening of August 6th and told me it wouldnt be ready for me to pickup until the next day August 7th at the earliest, but yet he started this thread and claims of me ripping him the very next day on August 8th. This is all too much for me and I will just be sending the package back to him however I need him to give me the shipping address as the small tapped on shipping label he used was ripped and likely trashed when the package was opened so Ill need him to send me the shipping address which he has not done as of yet, either by PM, text, or post. His package is sitting here basically untouched in the same box it was shipped in, with the same packaging & a little more added (paper filler so items wont rattle around) for good measure as I felt packaging it was shipped with was a little inadequate for such heavy fragile items. The items were only pulled out of box to verify all contents were there & condition when it was first received and has remained untouched since except to add paper filler, tape back up & await a shipping label so it may be shipped back.
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To address his first comment, no he did not put the unit # in the address which makes it impossible for the shipping carrier to deliver & I was never notified by the shipping company of anything, He gave me a tracking # and the tracking # had stated it was not deliveriable due to incorrect address & it was being held at the ship center, which I didnt find out where it was located til after he corrected the name on the shipping label. He's been texting me asking "Where is my money?" & then says he would prefer to take a reduced amount and I keep the items. I am leary of dealing with this guy anymore because he has been so adamant about the fact that the parts will be damaged when he gets them back, which I dont understand as I; a) had no way to plug in the setup to test it or run it in the first place, 2) have never had any issues remotely similr to that before, 3) the fact that he sent the items so hurredly by his own accord without me asking or even speaking to him about this, & d) the fact that he was so quick to claim I was ripping him off when he had absolutely no reason to as I kept in communication with him & he didnt even correct the name on the package until the evening of August 6th and told me it wouldnt be ready for me to pickup until the next day August 7th at the earliest, but yet he started this thread and claims of me ripping him the very next day on August 8th. This is all too much for me and I will just be sending the package back to him however I need him to give me the shipping address as the small tapped on shipping label he used was ripped and likely trashed when the package was opened so Ill need him to send me the shipping address which he has not done as of yet, either by PM, text, or post. His package is sitting here basically untouched in the same box it was shipped in, with the same packaging & a little more added (paper filler so items wont rattle around) for good measure as I felt packaging it was shipped with was a little inadequate for such heavy fragile items. The items were only pulled out of box to verify all contents were there & condition when it was first received and has remained untouched since except to add paper filler, tape back up & await a shipping label so it may be shipped back.
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Um, no, he did not. This is what he actually said on the matter:
That does not constitute a lie by any means. Stop making up accusations you cannot prove.
While we all do make mistakes, having the wrong name AND an incomplete address on the package speaks of rushing around and not being careful enough.
Here's the funny thing about integrity--you do not get to decide if your own integrity is in question or not. Others do.
This is the point where I tell you to stop crying. You did the deal. No one forced you to. That's called negotiating. However it happened, the two of you agreed upon a price. That's on you for doing the deal anyways. I do not see any complaining from you until after your own errors were laid out...funny how that happens. If he was so horrible to deal with, then you should have never agreed to a deal with him. But he obviously wasnt so bad, because you DID agree to do the deal.
So, like I said, this is the point where the complaining like that needs to stop.
Now you are starting to really **** me off. HEY, GENIUS, HE IS TRYING TO RETURN THE PARTS TO YOU. IT IS YOU WHO IS BEING UNCOOPERATIVE AND HOLDING THAT PROCESS UP.
And yet, you also clearly made enough mistakes in this deal that a LOT is in question.
That would be the last time I care to hear about how you pay your bills. Last time I checked, no one in this or any other thread was accusing you of not paying your bills.
As has already been established, the parts will be sent back to you, which is the proper way to handle this. That way, everyone is made whole as though this deal never took place. You are messing with that deal, and I dont want to hear one more word about "he has my parts" because you are the only reason he still has them!!!
1--that is NOT how we do things here. If it is not personally in your hands, it does not personally go on this forum for sale. Like I said, the reasons for that rule should be plainly obvious.
2--you are speaking about a rather highly respected member on this forum who has done a LOT of good deals. There is NOTHING to support this crap about "damaged in anger". If I see you post any more unfounded accusations or something coming close to that, I'll ban you here and now myself. That crap is against the TOS here and WILL NOT BE TOLERATED one minute more.
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On the contrary, posting tracking info is quite appropriate. Especially since you keep alluding to him possibly pulling some kind of "damaged in anger" nonsense.
Sorry, no dice. Lets stop and think for a minute....you delivered parts to him without both ends of the harness. How exactly would he have "used" these parts? What's he supposed to do, plug the incomplete harness into an imaginary one and use your parts? The parts are to be returned to you. End of story.
Wrong again. Electrical parts are not returnable if they have been installed. If it sat in the box, it's good to go. I've personally returned electrical components to the auto parts stores before, one that comes to mind is a time when I returned an extra pair of MSD 6AL's that I bought but did not end up using.
not only that, but there's no way in hell that you are going to try to change the terms of the sale at this point in the game. it doesnt work like that in here.
No, youre not. You are not following the instructions of moderators or the rules established on this forum. You are trying to make up your own rules as you go...and that just aint gonna cut it. You REALLY want to "work with us"? Then stop complaining and start listening to what we are telling you.
1--he sure did say that....
2--The offer is this--the parts go back to you. Simple. Stop making this harder for no good reason.
Wrong again. You want to keep your address private? I'm cool with that. But everything else will be done here in plain view to protect both parties. That way, there cannot be any "he said she said" nonsense. PMs leave wide open the chance that one party will not keep their word, while public promises carry the weight that everyone can see them and the proper action taken if one party does not follow through.
If youre "trying to work with us" so much, then that is how this will be done. And I dont want to hear anything more about how you dont want the parts back--you even tried to list them for sale without them even being sent back yet--because you obviously intended for the parts to come back to you. So thats the end of it. The only thing left to do now is to effect the shipping of parts back to you.
That does not constitute a lie by any means. Stop making up accusations you cannot prove.
While we all do make mistakes, having the wrong name AND an incomplete address on the package speaks of rushing around and not being careful enough.
Here's the funny thing about integrity--you do not get to decide if your own integrity is in question or not. Others do.
This is the point where I tell you to stop crying. You did the deal. No one forced you to. That's called negotiating. However it happened, the two of you agreed upon a price. That's on you for doing the deal anyways. I do not see any complaining from you until after your own errors were laid out...funny how that happens. If he was so horrible to deal with, then you should have never agreed to a deal with him. But he obviously wasnt so bad, because you DID agree to do the deal.
So, like I said, this is the point where the complaining like that needs to stop.
Now you are starting to really **** me off. HEY, GENIUS, HE IS TRYING TO RETURN THE PARTS TO YOU. IT IS YOU WHO IS BEING UNCOOPERATIVE AND HOLDING THAT PROCESS UP.
And yet, you also clearly made enough mistakes in this deal that a LOT is in question.
That would be the last time I care to hear about how you pay your bills. Last time I checked, no one in this or any other thread was accusing you of not paying your bills.
As has already been established, the parts will be sent back to you, which is the proper way to handle this. That way, everyone is made whole as though this deal never took place. You are messing with that deal, and I dont want to hear one more word about "he has my parts" because you are the only reason he still has them!!!
1--that is NOT how we do things here. If it is not personally in your hands, it does not personally go on this forum for sale. Like I said, the reasons for that rule should be plainly obvious.
2--you are speaking about a rather highly respected member on this forum who has done a LOT of good deals. There is NOTHING to support this crap about "damaged in anger". If I see you post any more unfounded accusations or something coming close to that, I'll ban you here and now myself. That crap is against the TOS here and WILL NOT BE TOLERATED one minute more.
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On the contrary, posting tracking info is quite appropriate. Especially since you keep alluding to him possibly pulling some kind of "damaged in anger" nonsense.
Sorry, no dice. Lets stop and think for a minute....you delivered parts to him without both ends of the harness. How exactly would he have "used" these parts? What's he supposed to do, plug the incomplete harness into an imaginary one and use your parts? The parts are to be returned to you. End of story.
Wrong again. Electrical parts are not returnable if they have been installed. If it sat in the box, it's good to go. I've personally returned electrical components to the auto parts stores before, one that comes to mind is a time when I returned an extra pair of MSD 6AL's that I bought but did not end up using.
not only that, but there's no way in hell that you are going to try to change the terms of the sale at this point in the game. it doesnt work like that in here.
No, youre not. You are not following the instructions of moderators or the rules established on this forum. You are trying to make up your own rules as you go...and that just aint gonna cut it. You REALLY want to "work with us"? Then stop complaining and start listening to what we are telling you.
1--he sure did say that....
2--The offer is this--the parts go back to you. Simple. Stop making this harder for no good reason.
Wrong again. You want to keep your address private? I'm cool with that. But everything else will be done here in plain view to protect both parties. That way, there cannot be any "he said she said" nonsense. PMs leave wide open the chance that one party will not keep their word, while public promises carry the weight that everyone can see them and the proper action taken if one party does not follow through.
If youre "trying to work with us" so much, then that is how this will be done. And I dont want to hear anything more about how you dont want the parts back--you even tried to list them for sale without them even being sent back yet--because you obviously intended for the parts to come back to you. So thats the end of it. The only thing left to do now is to effect the shipping of parts back to you.
You missed the majority of what was sent in texts. They certainly would have exonerated me. They're private. But hey, that's cool. I get my parts back.
Where did you hear that I delivered the parts without "both ends of the harness?"
Did you even look at the pics? The ECU end was there attached to harness and an AMPHENOL connector!!!
Whatever....
Glad there will be closure.
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originally posted by me:
"There seems to be some confusion as to what exactly was said to be delivered. I cannot see any of that...."
"I cannot fault him for the way he listed the parts for sale, as noted above, and I cannot comment on what else you two discussed without being able to see those conversations too."
"There seems to be some confusion as to what exactly was said to be delivered. I cannot see any of that...."
"I cannot fault him for the way he listed the parts for sale, as noted above, and I cannot comment on what else you two discussed without being able to see those conversations too."
Where did you hear that I delivered the parts without "both ends of the harness?"
Did you even look at the pics? The ECU end was there attached to harness and an AMPHENOL connector!!!
Did you even look at the pics? The ECU end was there attached to harness and an AMPHENOL connector!!!
Whatever....
