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Old 11-12-14, 01:38 PM
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Dates 10/18/2014 - Present

Items purchased: supposed "S4 TII half shafts"

Problem: Bolt pattern on mating flange of purchased half shafts too "narrow" to fit on my TII Differential, Leading me to believe they are NA Half shafts.

Inquired about TII Half shafts for my project. Said he had S4 TII half shafts for sale. Purchased them for 140 bucks. Turns out they are NA half shafts. When I messaged [email protected], He says theyre from his buddies bone stock TII, and he is sure they are correct. I asked for a refund, and he refused because i received them "over 2 weeks ago".

I cannot dispute this in Paypal because [email protected] requested that i send payment as a gift instead of for goods, in order to waive paypal fees. I believe he did this just for this reason.


Here is the PMs:

10/18/2014

ME: 125 shipped for half shafts

MR2: Let me get a shipping quote. What's your zip?

ME: 95336

MR2: I'll box em up and let you know. More then likely I can take that for them.

ME: Ok lmk

10/19/2014

ME: Whats up with those axles?

MR2: It's Sunday man. Post office is closed. I'll have a quote for you tomorrow

ME: Ok thx

MR2: What's your address so I can get an exact quote.

ME: (sent my address)

10/20/2014

MR2: If you can do $140 I can have them out tomorrow. And you'll get them by

Monday. It's about $80 in shipping to get to you.

ME: Paypal

MR2: J********[email protected] Send as a gift.

ME: Sent

MR2: Recieved. I'll have it out tomorrow and will get the tracking number to you.

10/21/2014

ME: You ship that out?

MR2: I'm sorry I didn't. I got the the post office and they locked the door right in
front of me. Ill have it out early tomorrow morning.

10/22/2014

MR2: It's in the mail USPS Tracking number is as follows 9114901230801851857447

ME: Thx

10/28/2014

ME: Received. Nice doing business with you.

11/10/2014

ME: What's up man. These axles at for an n/a. Please advise.

11/11/2014

MR2: Hey what's up, they came off of my buddies turbo II car after he blew up the
center section and swapped to a cobra section and shafts.

ME: The bolt pattern on the half shaft where it meets the stub shaft is "too narrow"
which leads me to believe they're NA axles. I even compared them to my NA LSD and it's the same bolt pattern. I'd like to arrange a refund please.

ME: Please get back to me about this.

MR2: These came from a bone stock II car. I'm 100% positive on that. You received
these over 2 weeks ago and are now trying to tell me they aren't. When I know for a fact that they are.

ME: Then could you please explain to me why the bolt pattern doesn't fit onto my tii diff? And could you also explain to me why the bolt pattern is the same as an NA?

MR2: No I can't explain to you, or tell you about your parts. I don't know what you have. I do know what I sold you, TII half shafts.

ME: Well how about a refund. Then you can re sell your "tii half shafts". I will ship them back to you and you give me back my 140 bucks. Even stevens.

MR2: A refund? For something you got 2 weeks ago and are now trying to say there incorrect? Have a good day.



I'll let a MOD dispute this one. The reason it took 2 weeks for me to find out the Halfshafts were incorrect is because i work 6, 11 hour days a week at a car manufacturing plant, and i hardly have time to do anything. Thanks.

Attached is the paypal transaction. I will upload pics of the incorrect bolt pattern if necessary...
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according to mazdatrix i think there is a difference between early and later s4 t2s
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according to mazdatrix i think there is a difference between early and later s4 t2s
I believe that was the length of the stubbys not the bolt pattern. But you never know...
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Just got off the phone with a Mazdatrix tech. All 2nd gen turbos have the same bolt pattern, all NAs have the same bolt pattern.
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As stated they came off a running bone stock TII car.

The payment was sent as a gift, I asked for it that way because you asked for 125 shipped, as stated it was $80 in shipping alone. I asked for $140 as a gift to not add the $5 in PayPal fees. You could have sent it that way if you wanted too.

You never asked me to measure and supply you with the dimensions or I woud have. In fact I think the only thing you asked me was if the boots were in good shape. And they were. You can say well I would have thought you would sell me the actual parts you listed. And I did. I sold you TII half shaft out of a bone stock 88 TII.

And yes it was 2 weeks before you have tried to say that " they are n/a axels " if it was a day or two I would understand. But it wasn't.

I also work 12 hour days and sometimes 24-48 hours. I have purchased parts and checked them the day I got them. Infact you messaged me and said you recieved them, why didn't you check them that day?

The bottom line is the correct parts were sold, I wish I would have taken pictures of them measured out, I had no reason too. I guess my lesson is learned here.
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Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
As stated they came off a running bone stock TII car.
You can keep saying that until your eyes fall out. Fact of the matter is, they are not TII axles, they are NA axels. If they were TII axles we would not be having this conversation right now.

THEY DO NOT FIT THE BOLT PATTERN OF MY TII DIFF

The payment was sent as a gift, I asked for it that way because you asked for 125 shipped, as stated it was $80 in shipping alone. I asked for $140 as a gift to not add the $5 in PayPal fees. You could have sent it that way if you wanted too.
You're right, I could have sent it any way i wanted to. But you requested that it be sent as a gift, to save 5 dollars on a 140 dollar sale? If i would have known that you were a scammer con artist, i would have sent it for goods or services.

You never asked me to measure and supply you with the dimensions or I woud have. In fact I think the only thing you asked me was if the boots were in good shape. And they were. You can say well I would have thought you would sell me the actual parts you listed. And I did. I sold you TII half shaft out of a bone stock 88 TII.
First of all, i never said anything about the boots, so theres another made up lie right there.

Second of all, you're right again! I didnt ask you for dimensions because all TII axles have the same bolt pattern, so as long as you are in fact sending me TII axles, measuring is redundant.

you did not send me TII axles, or they would have fit.

You said they were from your buddy's "bone stock TII". Is your buddy the original owner? Did you pull the axles off yourself? Are you sure it was a TII rear end?

You also stated your "buddys" car "blew up the center section and swapped to a cobra section and shafts". Your buddy must have been making over 500 hp, because thats what these rear ends are capable of.

if your "buddys" car is making over 500hp, im sure hes on one of the rotary forums, so maybe you can direct me to him to confirm all of this nonsense.

And yes it was 2 weeks before you have tried to say that " they are n/a axels " if it was a day or two I would understand. But it wasn't.
Whats the difference if i hit you up 2 days after of 2 weeks after? It sounds to me like you're using the 2 week delay as an excuse to not give me my money back.

I also work 12 hour days and sometimes 24-48 hours. I have purchased parts and checked them the day I got them. Infact you messaged me and said you recieved them, why didn't you check them that day?
Because i go to work before the sun comes up and i get home after the sun goes down. If you actually work 12 hour days then you would know this. I also commute 2 hours each way.

The bottom line is the correct parts were sold, I wish I would have taken pictures of them measured out, I had no reason too. I guess my lesson is learned here.
The bottom line is you dont know for sure if the axles you sold were TII axles. You never fitted them to a TII diff, didnt remove them from the car, dont know if the car had a TII drivetrain, and you and your buddy are most likely not the original owner of the car.

But i believe you are not mistaken. I believe you knew all along that they were not TII axles, which is why you will not refund my money. you know that NA axles are a dime a dozen, and nobody wants them, so you sold them as TII axles.

You learned your lesson? How is that? By coming up on 140 bucks on some axles that arent worth ****? Great Job.

Please share with us your "buddys" 500hp+ rx7.
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As stated they came off a running bone stock TII car.
Which means nothing to us, because none of us here can see that car. We also are expected to take your word for it, while you at the same time expect us NOT to take his word that they do not fit. Sorry, it doesnt work that way on this forum

The payment was sent as a gift, I asked for it that way because you asked for 125 shipped, as stated it was $80 in shipping alone. I asked for $140 as a gift to not add the $5 in PayPal fees. You could have sent it that way if you wanted too.
This is the last time I expect to see you use the "gift" provision with paypal. Pay the fees and leave it as it is. You remove every protection for the buyer when this happens. And all so you could save $5??? Not acceptable.

You never asked me to measure and supply you with the dimensions or I woud have. In fact I think the only thing you asked me was if the boots were in good shape. And they were. You can say well I would have thought you would sell me the actual parts you listed. And I did. I sold you TII half shaft out of a bone stock 88 TII.
Sorry, that is not the point either. You advertised these parts as TII parts. It doesnt matter that he did not ask you to measure--on this forum, the seller is solely responsible for the content in the advertisement. YOU declared them to be TII parts, which means no one should have had to ask you to measure anything. YOU bear the responsibility here, not him.

And yes it was 2 weeks before you have tried to say that " they are n/a axels " if it was a day or two I would understand. But it wasn't.
This is as pointless an argument as I have ever seen. Two weeks is nothing. Youre acting like he bought these a year ago and then only spoke up now. Some people work a lot. Some people have to wait to get to the project. Two weeks is hardly unreasonable. It's not like you can show he was driving around on these parts and then suddenly claimed they dont fit or something.

I also work 12 hour days and sometimes 24-48 hours. I have purchased parts and checked them the day I got them. Infact you messaged me and said you recieved them, why didn't you check them that day?
And how exactly could he check them that day? If he did not have the chance to get to his car until two weeks later?? Most people who drive FCs couldnt tell you those measurements if they tried. He is not to blame because of that. Stop trying to blame him for working a lot.

The bottom line is the correct parts were sold
Apparently, this may not be the case. And this issue is not finished.

I wish I would have taken pictures of them measured out, I had no reason too.
Are you kidding me?? youre telling us that you had no reason to measure these out, but then you try to fault HIM for not measuring them out?? Youre really starting to **** me off with this ridiculous "logic" youre using. On this forum the seller is solely responsible for accurately describing the parts he is selling. If anyone had reason to measure out anything, it was you, and that would be before you listed them for sale.

I guess my lesson is learned here.
Not yet, but it's about to be.

We are going to conduct a little experiment. I'll post in here later this evening when I get back in about what we are going to do.
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Just for the record, so everybody knows I'm not trying to screw this guy...

I just bought tii axles from "first gen man" on this forum for 200 bucks.
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When those axles arrive, I would like you to measure them and compare them with the measurements from the set that this thread is about. Show us the difference.

And MR2, if there is a difference, you will issue a refund for the ones you sold him and they will be sent back to you. This is not that difficult a situation folks....it really isnt.

This place used to be a community that was about helping each other....more and more these days, it looks like it's degraded into a free-for-all where everyone only cares about themselves. Sad...
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My new axles have arrived. First thing I did is shove them on the car as soon as i got home. They fit perfectly. The difference is to hard to tell from the naked eye, but thankfully I have access to a portable CMM with laser scanner and will be scanning them tomorrow morning to show the exact difference.

Attached anyway is a photo. The TII axle is the one in the middle. The one on the left is the NA axle MR2 sold me, and the one on the right is my NA axle that came off my car.

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Win.

Haven't seen [email protected] on here much lately, he probably wont be back either.

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If this Guy doesn't post or Contact you the next time he logs on..he is GONE.
He has already received notification of this matter and it has dragged on long enough.
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This ***** still lives there. If anyone near him wants to go make his day, ill make it worth your while.

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if i were you i'd sell the n/a shafts and move on with your life. $140 shipped for turbo axles was already a "too good to be true" story and is even moreso now. you can sell the n/a axles for what you paid for them due to rarity of parts now.

it may have been an honest mistake caused by his friend's ignorance and passing on misinformation.

for the record, i'd charge $250+ shipping for TII axles because they're so hard to find and always have been.

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if i were you i'd sell the n/a shafts and move on with your life. $140 shipped for turbo axles was already a "too good to be true" story and is even moreso now. you can sell the n/a axles for what you paid for them due to rarity of parts now.

it may have been an honest mistake caused by his friend's ignorance and passing on misinformation.

for the record, i'd charge $250+ shipping for TII axles because they're so hard to find and always have been.
Yeah i've moved on, i just ran across this thread a while back, and it reignited my emotions.

I ended up getting a good set for $200 as stated in the thread. Still running them today.

Anyways, I ended up donating 2 sets of NA axles and a **** ton of other FC OEM and aftermarket parts when I moved last year.

I dont think it was an honest mistake though. Do you know this guy or something?

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I'm shutting this thread down..It's been 2 years since this has happened so it should not be brought up again.
The Seller was banned and the Buyer should know better to post a "Bounty" about the problem on this Forum.(..I'll make it worth your while??...Nice move..and a public statement at that!)
Case Closed..move on .You should not have to bring up the past to feel better about the Present.
The boo-boos are healed and the issue is over.
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