Autronic Autronic SM2 EMS
#52
Wow, i did not know Autronic ECU has such a bad rep . Is the SM4 such a bad ecu ?
So if i wanted a Autronic ECU with the auto-tune feature and will support 2-3 Rotor applications . How would i go about doing so ? Any input would be great ?
Damn this Ray Hall sounds like a dick ...may be someone should go take it out his *** ....
So if i wanted a Autronic ECU with the auto-tune feature and will support 2-3 Rotor applications . How would i go about doing so ? Any input would be great ?
Damn this Ray Hall sounds like a dick ...may be someone should go take it out his *** ....
#53
I have never used an Autronic on a rotary engine, only piston engines, and it has always been really good. No issues at all.
I was going to get the SM4 for my s6, but after reading all this... Either stay with Microtech, or start research on the AEM EMS.
Do you guys have any input on the AEM EMS? Pros/cons?
I was going to get the SM4 for my s6, but after reading all this... Either stay with Microtech, or start research on the AEM EMS.
Do you guys have any input on the AEM EMS? Pros/cons?
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Originally Posted by zkeller
I am using the Autronic Ford EEIV valve that the Autronic dealers sell.
I have no other problem with the ECU , I think its great and it will serve me well . I autotune / staging figure the problem was an over sight that would eventually be corrected , but the way Mr *** HALL , Lord Of The Forum is dealing with us , his customers is the real problem here !!!
#55
Banned. I got OWNED!!!
Originally Posted by SomeGuy_sg
Damn this Ray Hall sounds like a dick ...may be someone should go take it out his *** ....
#58
Originally Posted by SomeGuy_sg
Wow, i did not know Autronic ECU has such a bad rep . Is the SM4 such a bad ecu ?
So if i wanted a Autronic ECU with the auto-tune feature and will support 2-3 Rotor applications . How would i go about doing so ? Any input would be great ?
Damn this Ray Hall sounds like a dick ...may be someone should go take it out his *** ....
So if i wanted a Autronic ECU with the auto-tune feature and will support 2-3 Rotor applications . How would i go about doing so ? Any input would be great ?
Damn this Ray Hall sounds like a dick ...may be someone should go take it out his *** ....
If you guys are not smart enough to use a real computer or cant' afford to pay someone experienced to install/tune it for you then just goto the link above.
Last edited by enzo250; 05-02-05 at 07:34 PM.
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Originally Posted by enzo250
Want Input. Goto www.microtech-efi.com
If you guys are not smart enough to use a real computer or cant' afford to pay someone experienced to install/tune it for you then just goto the link above.
If you guys are not smart enough to use a real computer or cant' afford to pay someone experienced to install/tune it for you then just goto the link above.
Have ordered 3 SM4 upgraded map ECU's for various jobs, will give an update as to function very soon.
#60
Originally Posted by RICE RACING
Bit harsh but generaly true
Anyhow if you need any help with the sm4's let me know.
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Originally Posted by enzo250
Yeah i know pete but it's getting old and annoying to hear **** from people who have no clue.
Anyhow if you need any help with the sm4's let me know.
Anyhow if you need any help with the sm4's let me know.
Using external map sensors and going to use the onbaord for barometric compensation, all other sensor inputs will in two car cases come from high quality STACK dash inputs....... will let you know how we go.
Ray missed out on a BIG order LOL ...... **** of a man !
#64
Originally Posted by enzo250
Yeah i know pete but it's getting old and annoying to hear **** from people who have no clue.
Anyhow if you need any help with the sm4's let me know.
Anyhow if you need any help with the sm4's let me know.
WTF do you mean by that ?
#65
Originally Posted by SomeGuy_sg
Wow, i did not know Autronic ECU has such a bad rep . Is the SM4 such a bad ecu ?
So if i wanted a Autronic ECU with the auto-tune feature and will support 2-3 Rotor applications . How would i go about doing so ? Any input would be great ?
So if i wanted a Autronic ECU with the auto-tune feature and will support 2-3 Rotor applications . How would i go about doing so ? Any input would be great ?
When you enter the AutoTune mode in the tuning software, the program looks at a number of permissives to determine whether or not it is safe to allow AutoTuning to take place. It looks at the coolant temp, charge temp, IAC temp, RPM, trigger errors, etc to see if anything is outside the alarm limits that the user has selected. It even looks to see if the engine is in over-run (i.e. the engine coasting down on a closed throttle under braking, etc.) It does so by looking at the #1 injector. Under small loads, the secondary injectors (wired as #1) are just along for the ride, and the ECU mistakes that as meaning the entire engine is coasting/over-run. Again, this is due to the customary method of wiring injectors on the Autronic ECUs:
Injector 1: Rotor 1 Secondary
Injector 2: Rotor 1 Primary
Injector 3: Rotor 2 Secondary
Injector 4: Rotor 2 Primary
OR
1 & 5 Secondary 1
2 & 6 Primary 1
3 & 7 Secondary 2
4 & 8 Primary 2
In either of these cases, the #1 injector is a SECONDARY injector which is not going to do much of anything until the engine is under some real load/rpm. The ECU sees it doing nothing or < required threshold in order to say the engine is NOT in over-run. The OVER-RUN permissive is not given, and the program will not enter AutoTune mode.
The solution is to either swap the injector pins in the harness and change the values in the injector trim tables (this you can do yourself, requires no changes on behalf of Autronic) or perhaps a software update will allow you to select which injector output the ECU looks at to determine over-run state (rather than the current default of inj. #1, which would require re-writing the software and is not a super critical issue.)
Even though they cost a little more than other ECUs popular on rotary engines, the Autronic ECU is a very good value. The typical popular ECUs used on rotary engines quite honestly are a sad joke compared to Autronic. I've got Autronic in one of my cars, and MoTeC in the other, and I honestly prefer using the Autronic. At a fraction of the cost, it's a no-brainer, and I'll never outgrow it.
Damn this Ray Hall sounds like a dick ...may be someone should go take it out his *** ....
Everybody has a different personality. Peter doesn't like Ray Hall. . . . sorry to hear that. Ray Hall hates my guts (why, I don't know.) Whether you like Ray or not, he's the International Distributor and primary source of support for myself and the rest of the Autronic dealers. If you are an Autronic user, odds are that eventually you'll need something from Ray. It's a lot better idea to not burn your bridges before you've even SEEN them. If you get an Autronic ECU on your car, and for whatever reason have a legitimate beef with Ray, take it up with him personally. Talking bad about somebody you don't know (not talking to you, Peter, so just chill) is silly. Whether or not you want to nominate Ray for "Man of the Year" is irrelivant to the quality and value of Autronic products. It's damn good stuff. . . . try it, and you'll like it!!!!!
NOTE: Rotary wiring info as contributed by ENZO (Autronic rotary guru) on the Autronic support forum
#66
Banned. I got OWNED!!!
Yes Autronic is indeed fantasitic, well my B model meter played up first day I opened it up NTK L1H1 or loom has a problem? *reads 9.0:1 after warm up* then reads OK then goes to 35:1 @ idle !!! (but thats just my luck I suppose) but it works great on the LSM11... Its good having a dealer (not Ray) that is there to help and be "non emotional" and start a pissing match when people ask legitimate questions or have real problems.
I am sure he is a talented person, people skills is not one of his strong points... so far as needing him? Well no need when you can talk through another dealer straight to the creater of the product within minutes instead of having to go through his shitty forum or worse still e-mail him or heaven forbid need to call (of which I have had to endure all of).
Enzo is a talented man so to are you Brian from what I have seen, Autronic is a great product and does some amazing things that other units cant, and this will stay above any one individual no matter who they think they are
I am sure he is a talented person, people skills is not one of his strong points... so far as needing him? Well no need when you can talk through another dealer straight to the creater of the product within minutes instead of having to go through his shitty forum or worse still e-mail him or heaven forbid need to call (of which I have had to endure all of).
Enzo is a talented man so to are you Brian from what I have seen, Autronic is a great product and does some amazing things that other units cant, and this will stay above any one individual no matter who they think they are
#67
Originally Posted by jetenginedoctor
The Autronic ECU does NOT have a bad rep. The ..
.....NOTE: Rotary wiring info as contributed by ENZO (Autronic rotary guru) on the Autronic support forum
.....NOTE: Rotary wiring info as contributed by ENZO (Autronic rotary guru) on the Autronic support forum
Mm...i see . So the reason for the Autronic not to go into autotune with a rotary engine was that it was using the secondary inj on the first rotor was the input for over-run state. I did not know that . I thought you could have set which inj as the primaries/defaults. How would you go about swapping the inj pin settings ? By changing the inj 1&2 on the ecu to primary inj for the 1st and 2nd rotors ?
Thanks for the information .
As for the remark on Ray Hall , you are right . I should give him a chance . I will leave the remarks to the people that have dealt with him . They do have some great products....ie ; 500R cdi box and the autotune feature on their ecus
As for Enzo ...he is the man for your Autronic needs ... He told me the 500R could be juiced to pump out all the current/amps you need
#68
Originally Posted by SomeGuy_sg
Mm...i see . So the reason for the Autronic not to go into autotune with a rotary engine was that it was using the secondary inj on the first rotor was the input for over-run state. I did not know that . I thought you could have set which inj as the primaries/defaults.
How would you go about swapping the inj pin settings ? By changing the inj 1&2 on the ecu to primary inj for the 1st and 2nd rotors ?
Thanks for the information .
Thanks for the information .
As for the remark on Ray Hall , you are right . I should give him a chance . I will leave the remarks to the people that have dealt with him . They do have some great products....ie ; 500R cdi box and the autotune feature on their ecus
As for Enzo ...he is the man for your Autronic needs ... He told me the 500R could be juiced to pump out all the current/amps you need
#69
Originally Posted by RICE RACING
Will do, updated order to 4 SM4's, ..............
Ray missed out on a BIG order LOL ...... **** of a man !
Ray missed out on a BIG order LOL ...... **** of a man !
Last edited by SomeGuy_sg; 05-15-05 at 01:55 PM.
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Originally Posted by SomeGuy_sg
Mmm....hows the SM4 going ? I went to the website to look up some documention, i.e;wiring diagrams or flow charts, for it ... guess what ... none at all . Do you have any i can see hehe....
I dont have any info so can only rely on what turns up from Autonic directly or my dealer, either way stay tuned.
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I am a recent addition to the autronic dealer lineup as well, and I will be doing a sm4 in a fd over the next couple of weeks. I will let you all know how it works out. As for questions and pricing just pm me and I will do my best to find the answers, but bear with me as I am very new to this product...
Justin
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#73
Banned. I got OWNED!!!
Replacement B model meter is on its way, NTK and harness checked out OK on their own B model while on engine dyno...so looks like I got a dud oh well see what happens with new unit and hopefully SM4's not too far away either
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Well my new B-model meter arrives tommorrow, the old one had a dry solder joint (first one in 2000 meters apparantly?) cant help bad luck I suppose
Will recieve a thorough test all day sat getting a supra ready for comp on sunday
Will recieve a thorough test all day sat getting a supra ready for comp on sunday