Lol, the amount of misinformation and ignorance in this thread is unbeliveable. Aaron Cake is correct, some of you others are smoking crack.


While hydrogen does have significantly higher energy per unit mass than gasoline, it is practically impossible to store hydrogen at the densities required to make it even somewhat comparable. Realisitically, you must make comparisons using energy per unit volume. Once you do this, it becomes very clear that gasoline, alcohols, and other fuels have the advantage.

 

Ok I will explain it a little more clearly.
Japanese companies currently have 2 advertised prototypes from 2 different companies that use lead based cold fusion. Add water and you get electricity you need nothing else.
2 I am well aware that you need a oxidizer but most hydrogen cars store H2 under pressure or in metal hydrides maybe I assumed too much of you. H2 burned in air does pollute. Adding water injection does lower the temp reducing this tendency..
As opposed to fuel cell H2 cars that use oxygen from the air to make electricity.

3 I never mentioned electrolysis.... Also with regard to electrolysis ... if you have the voltage just right the process is endothermic absorbing heat from the environment...not that I would ever do it that way as you said it is very inefficient.

Your words
Pure hydrogen is not explosive at all. It's only explosive when it is near an oxidizer. Again, basic fundamental science

My words
I don't drive in a vacuum I have 21-23 percent oxidizer around me all the time.

Your words.
No one in the world is driving a water powered car, because such a thing flat out doesn't exist.

My words
Tell the 2 companies in Japan it can't be done! I don't think they would believe you!!
After all they have 4 prototypes driving on Japanese roads as we speak!
I also drove a 6 cylinder 3 liter engine that run on hydrogen and oxygen split via solar. It didn't drive far and you couldn't use it realistically but I guess you are wrong their too.

Anyway have a great day.
Cheers
Michael Smith

 

Please provide links to these Japanese cars that "run on water".

 

Although I agree that if this were a viable resource, that many details would need to be worked out - I have to say that this statement is relative to the process being used for electrolosys. There are those which are quite efficient - enough for the job of powering your vehicle.

 

I forgot about this topic.

Waiting still for that link to the "run on water" cars from Japan.

Compared to just charging batteries, electrolosys is very inefficient. The power is better used to charge an EV.

 

just did some searching on this ***** "water powered car" and he seems not to be a complete retart the vehical works off some type of electroloisis. a simple search in google brought me to this. a liter of andy water and even tea will alow the thing to move at 80kmph for about an hour
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrxfMz2eDME

 

Yeah, I've seen that one before. All the "water powered cars" are either HHO scams, just a fuel cell, or use something to react with the water and make hydrogen. Not water powered at all. Big surprise there.

 

i'm gonna get back with you on more info but before i joined the forum someone other than myer already created a storage device made of a special charcoal canister if anyone wants to research that as a means of storage device for the hydrogen. The problem is instead of this creator being killed he sold the rights to an oil company and they refuse to let the info go as this would solve the speed problem by allowing someone to first use myers method to create the gas and then use the storage device to get the hydrogen to the car.

 

I don't know about the charcoal canister concept but I don't really believe that it would be the solution to using hydrogen as a fuel for a car because of the volume consumed in order to power an IC engine. A charcoal canister isn't going to modify this volume - it may make it safer to store, but most likely not. Wherein lies your biggest problem with hydrogen as an automotive fuel - storage of such a large quantity. A charcoal canister isn't going to reduce that volume. Myers had it right by basically mass producing it at the point of use and using that which was produced.

On a higher note, I saw that Cali's looking to legalize and tax bud due to their deficit.

 

Doesnt work. Simple as that.
Some of my co-workers thought it would, they all chipped in to buy the book.
Thier "brown" gas experiment never worked. They made thier little containers out of canning jars, only had one explode.
Either way, it doenst work.
BTW i did not fall for it and never chipped in. I also got a good laugh when it failed..lol

 

First the water4gas is a scam but the technology of it is legit. I have made my own cell and i had a increase of about 30% fuel savings. There are a lot of scams out there but if you research just the information(public information not kits) you can build one cheap and easy.There are many sites devoted to getting this information out FREE.Second Stan Meyer did not use brute force he use resonance meaning he was not putting electricity into the water but different frequency so over unity is possible( I'm not say he did or did not but it is possible) Third I don't know but was told that you can't use this for a rotary because of the apex seals. If anybody know please pm me . I want to put it on my s4 for the power and economy but I'm scared it will blow the motor.

 

You mean can't use hydrogen in a rotary engine as a fuel?

Mazda already does. They have dual fuel RX-8's on corporate leases in Japan.

The engine makes significantly less power when running on hydrogen though.

 

"Stan Meyer was convicted of fraud in 1996 after he was unable to demonstrate his claims to investors or the court after soliciting large sums of money for commercializing his technology. "

http://www.aardvark.co.nz/stanley_meyer.shtml

HHO is a scam. It will never work. Basic, 8th grade science tells you this.

I demand proof that you obtained a mileage increase. This proof is to be scientific, conducted in controlled conditions and must include a double blind test.

 

The idea of an HHO engine is not to replace a gas-powered rotary, but to enhance it. Water4Gas is a nice starting point. I did a conversion on my dad's Dodge Neon and now it gets about 50 miles to the gallon on the highway. I want to test it on my rx7, but my car is tempermental enough. I'd like to try hooking up the water vat to more than 12 volts and see if I can't get a better output.

Try it before you slam it. As far as the Water4Gas guy being a known criminal, aren't we all criminals at heart?

 

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.
Abraham Lincoln
16th president of US (1809 - 1865)

 

Electrolysis is not the most efficient way to produce H-H-O.
There are more than one way to produce it

 

This is really weird place to have to comment on something I feel like I'm stepping on your page but anyway I guess this is the way it works but you can definitely run your car off of water at least with a gas engine I know that because me and my cousin back before hydrogen was a big thing we would would take salt water put in a mason jar but we had two of them connected together and we would put bolts in there and then put washers in there and space them out and of course that created the hydrogen bubbles we need it which Rose at the top came gas and once that gas started rolling out we put it into the car that at no gas tank and we can almost get at the fire then we put the gas tank back with a little tiny bit of gas and it fired of course perfectly fine and then we ran it it was we got about 60 more horsepower than we had before and then on top of that we were getting about about 50 to 60 miles per gallon and we were smashing into it constantly so it works I would get the kid off of Amazon because we had a hard time keeping a good seal on this mason jars so kid off Amazon has seals and all that good stuff have you got the stuff laying around might as well just do it that way I mean it's just like literally a bolt down through the lid seal it then have another hole where the hose comes out put glue around that and then put the hose into two we put it straight into the intake manifold we didn't put it in then take runner we put it directly into the manifold but we did this on a del Sol because it was my cousin's idea and it was his car so a good thing also that helped out is that he had a massive ******* turbo on that damn thing that would not spool up until almost redline but that also helped out a lot cuz it started giving us boost around 2500 RPM but anyway if it doesn't give you extra power it will definitely give you extra gas mileage that's a 100% fact at least on a gas motor now on a rotary I'm assuming it would save gas but looks like rotaries are going to start being generators at least for Mazda that way they can have a battery car with regen that's actually good enough to keep the car running without having to charge it I knew they were going to find out that figure out a way to do that I didn't know if Mazda would get it I kind of figured they would because bigger the only way to do it to do it was with the small wankle so like 2026 we can see a preview it's kind of helping but still not happy myself about electric vehicles mainly because I had the idea when I was a kid I was like why don't car is just run on batteries like RC cars and seems like every idea I had somebody else with money had and ran with it if I had generational wealth I'd be like so rich right now not really a cheap own horn I just see good ideas and want to run with them but I can't. This is like this hydrogen things that me and my cousin are making those kids weren't online back and like I don't have ******* 10 15 years ago that we did that I'm not even sure like how much of a concept that even was back then and we could have made some money doing that but we were dumb and never did anything with it after that week of playing with it because his car died not because of that but because he didn't know how to put an engine back together he took it apart and never he just tightened everything he didn't torque anything so of course the head gasket went. Anyway end of story lol