Alternative Fuels Discussion and Tech on using alternatives such as E85 or Hydrogen or other fuels and/or supplements to Gasoline in Rotary Engines

Is this enough fuel to support 450+whp on E85

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jan 11, 2009 | 09:53 AM
  #1  
ProjectD's Avatar
Thread Starter
I'm on a Boat!
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (15)
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 1,824
Likes: 0
From: OK
Is this enough fuel to support 450+whp on E85

Dual supra tt intake pumps and 4 1680cc injectors.
This is on 1/2 bridge gt3574 w/.96 exhaust a/r.

Also, where can I get a primary rail for top feed 1680cc injectors? I link would be great.
Reply
Old Jan 11, 2009 | 06:43 PM
  #2  
Rocking Rotary's Avatar
Rotary Enthusiast
Tenured Member 20 Years
iTrader: (14)
 
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 1,482
Likes: 3
From: St. Paul, MN
That may be good for just shy for 550 if every thing is set up right and there are no bottle necks. If you run out of fuel and want more you will need the ground zero manifold and run 6 of them. Thats if you want to keep your injector duties at a good percentage.

KGparts sells the top feed primary rail if you need one. http://www.kgparts.com/
Reply
Old Jan 11, 2009 | 07:36 PM
  #3  
ProjectD's Avatar
Thread Starter
I'm on a Boat!
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (15)
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 1,824
Likes: 0
From: OK
Thanks for the link. I didn't know 4x 1680's would go that far with the extra fuel needed for E85. I know a top notch tune is the difference between a smooth idle and sputtering rotary. But how many people have been able to acheive that "perfect" idle with 1680's ?

If anything the limiting factor on my setup would be the small turbo. I'll probably be picking up the fjo injector driver box.

Id like to see 500hp to the wheels but I won't complian if I can at least hit 450
Reply
Old Jan 11, 2009 | 08:49 PM
  #4  
rxrotary2_7's Avatar
Lives on the Forum
Tenured Member 20 Years
 
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 5,097
Likes: 1
From: southern NJ
Originally Posted by ProjectD
. But how many people have been able to acheive that "perfect" idle with 1680's ?
it is not as hard as you would think...

http://injector-rehab.com/kbse/e85injectorsize.htm
Reply
Old Jan 12, 2009 | 05:12 PM
  #5  
ProjectD's Avatar
Thread Starter
I'm on a Boat!
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (15)
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 1,824
Likes: 0
From: OK
Also, will the stock fuel Lines work or is something bigger needed?
Reply
Old Jan 15, 2009 | 02:14 PM
  #6  
gusfd3s's Avatar
E85 Addict
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 519
Likes: 2
From: Stockholm
we were able to push 479rwhp on 2x850 + 2x1680 on stock fuel lines and a 280l/h sard pump.
Reply
Old Jan 15, 2009 | 09:42 PM
  #7  
ProjectD's Avatar
Thread Starter
I'm on a Boat!
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (15)
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 1,824
Likes: 0
From: OK
Gus, thanks for your input. What turbo was that on and what were the idj's? If I can squeez 450+ out of my 850/1680 setup while keeping my idj at or under 85% I may just work with what I have.
Reply
Old Jan 16, 2009 | 03:58 AM
  #8  
gusfd3s's Avatar
E85 Addict
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 519
Likes: 2
From: Stockholm
Originally Posted by ProjectD
Gus, thanks for your input. What turbo was that on and what were the idj's? If I can squeez 450+ out of my 850/1680 setup while keeping my idj at or under 85% I may just work with what I have.
fuel was maxed out, you will need more fuel to stay under 85%. this was on a t78.
Reply
Old Jan 17, 2009 | 09:42 AM
  #9  
ProjectD's Avatar
Thread Starter
I'm on a Boat!
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (15)
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 1,824
Likes: 0
From: OK
Damn, I guess I will have to go with 4x 1680s and another pump.
Reply
Old Apr 25, 2009 | 03:16 AM
  #10  
7envy's Avatar
Senior Member
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 279
Likes: 0
From: PA
You have more than enough for 450 hp with that set up. You only need to flow around 45 lb/min of air to get 450 hp... Your turbo can support up to 60 lb/min at around 25 psi.

Anyway, you will not run out of injector. 450 hp you're at 48% duty cycle.

You will run out of turbo when it maxes out at 60 lbs/min. The maximum you can get with your setup is around 597hp at 7000 rpm.

4x1600s on E85 will hit 82% duty at 8500 rpm. That's 678 hp on a half bridgeport.
Reply
Old Apr 25, 2009 | 01:07 PM
  #11  
7envy's Avatar
Senior Member
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 279
Likes: 0
From: PA
^^^ I CALCULATED FOR E15.

According to my calculations, E85 will not get you 450 hp with 4x1600cc! You will hit 80% duty cycle at 5000 rpm, giving you 400 hp only.

Maybe my calculations are wrong, but I can't figure out why!
Reply
Old Apr 25, 2009 | 01:41 PM
  #12  
ProjectD's Avatar
Thread Starter
I'm on a Boat!
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (15)
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 1,824
Likes: 0
From: OK
450WHP+ has been done on 4x1680cc. Though 500 may be pushing it I don't think my setup will have a problem pushing past 450whp. I'll deffinatley post the resuts when I have it dialed in. Currently waiting on my cleaned injectors and some anodized parts.
Reply
Old Apr 25, 2009 | 03:04 PM
  #13  
7envy's Avatar
Senior Member
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 279
Likes: 0
From: PA
I just redid all the calculations factoring in the lambda for stoich E85. It may seem ridiculous but 4x1600cc can give 805 hp at 83% injector duty????????

This cannot be right.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
ChrisRX8PR
Single Turbo RX-7's
21
Oct 18, 2015 04:01 PM
Captain_Panic
Alternative Fuels
9
Sep 16, 2015 02:06 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:34 AM.