AEM EMS for the 3rd gen update!!!!!!!
 

Here is the current status on the 3rd gen 7. The calibration work is nearly done, the oil metering pump control works perfectly, and production parts are being made. It won't be too long before the unit is available. I will post some dyno results when the calibration work is complete. Out test car is an overly complicated totally stock 93 5 speed. Single turbo cars will be much easier to setup. At least the PnP will have all of the hard work completed by AEM.

Jason.

Sweet! So is it still worth purchasing the PnP if you have a single? Are there any base maps to work with that are based off of single applications? Man I can't wait!

It is especially worth getting if you have a single. Base maps for various combinations will become available in time.

Jason.

Key words...

Which of course means AEM time. The conversion equation is:

Real world time x 3 = AEM time

But we must realize that while AEM speaks in Real world time, they actually mean AEM time. For example, AEM says that it will have various single turbo base maps available 3 months after the release of the FD PnP unit. Plug this into the equation:

3 Real world months x 3 = 9 AEM (or actual) months.

Voila!

:D

Actually what I was trying to say, is that several people out there will have tuned their singles, and will be sharing maps. Whether or not you trust those maps is completely up to you. We will not be providing any "proven maps" for any combination. Rotary engines are to tempermental for that.

I know everyone is all bent out of shape that this unit has taken so long to come out with, and that is fine. I would rather something come out correctly, than come out wrong. BTW all of the rhumors about engines being blown etc... is all B.S. The only reason this has taken so long, is because it was simply put on the back burner until software and instructions were simplified, plain and simple. The Honda guys had a very hard time understanding how things worked in the software (Hondas were released first, and that was all the feedback we had from the "average joe"). The Supra release really showed what the EMS was capable of, and so far, ALL of the Supra guys love it, and are making great safe and reliable power. In Sound Performance in Chicago just put down 1040RWHP through and Automatic with out the assistance of Nitrous. Pull after pull, no problems.

So in the end, it will be out, it will be late, but it will be awesome.

Jason.

Affirmative sir :bowdown:. But i guess you answered my question s/o really answering my question :D. I was wondering if there were going to be multiple base maps to work with based off of singles that would come pre-packaged or for d.l off of your forums. According to you, there will not be.

There will be maps available on the AEM forums, just not AEM sponsored maps. It will be up to you to trust the individual supplying the maps. If we happen to do a calibration for someone with a specific setup, we will post that calibration with the specific modifications just like we do now with the Honda, Toyota cals. I will make my T66 calibration available as well. What I guess I am saying, is that we don't intend to go out and try to duplicate certain common mods and providing calibrations for those.

Jason.

Please try to put yourself in the shoes of AEM, or any one of the other EMS manufacturers. AEM is going through great pains to make a PNP EMS for the FD. Do you really think that it is practical for them to make a map of every different combination of turbo, intercooler, intake, porting, etc., for the FD? A base map is just that - something that you start with, and just about every EMS on the market comes with one. Yes, it would be wonderful to just bolt a part on your car and magically get 1000hp, but it doesn't quite work that way. Well, maybe someone will come up with a single turbo kit that includes maps, but that is about the only way that it will happen.

Other people's maps are great for reference, but it's not a good idea to load them directly into the EMS on your car. This is especially true given the on-the-edge tuning which is usually associated with high-boost single-turbo rotaries. Reference maps, not base maps.

As for AEM's delays, I know of several EMS manufacturers who have taken much longer to get their products into full production, so it is not just AEM. It is unfortunate that the EMS market is like this, but at least it's not like the computer software market which unleashes buggy products on the unsuspecting public. I would rather have a few delays as opposed to a blown engine.

Hey Jason, So you know JP (Jermany Powell) I was hanging out with him this past weekend here in Tampa and he was telling a little bit about the ECU, if you could please pass my email address to him since i know he forgot. bbigdl@hotmail.com

O sorry man to sound so rash about it. I meant a base map for just the turbo and not everything else. Liek you said, a startinh point to work on which is what I was planning to do ;).

JP, JR, and all those other guys out at aem know their shit. dont give them any shit or you'llhave to answer to me.... some one ask JP why he did not stop by the shop while he was in tampa for a wedding. o yea my name is rich i work at racerelated in clearwater FL

Here's my chance to lobby for the TII (yah I know the thread is about 3rd gens). I'd think AEM would benefit from generating base maps for what is essentially a single turbo 13b, AKA a TurboII. OK so the airflow sensing is different but this can be calculated out of the maps. Will AEM get rich off all the TII owners buying up the ECU...not a chance. But considering 75% of the effort to convert to an '89-91 is already done for the 3rd gen, and that single turbo is an extremely popular upgrade for "high-performance" 3G ECU buyers (AEM's target audience) I've got to believe it's worth the effort. No hardware changes are required besides the different connectors on the black box. Yes I really desire a preprogrammed AEM ECU for the beloved TII.

Don't worry, it is on the list! We will get to it at some point. Obviously we need to hit the high demand applications first.

Jason.

AEM BS
 

If its so good how come the Aem sponored car has motec? Last time i asked this question you chewed me out Jason ,well i saw his car at summer slam july 7th 2002 .
Why is it so big that thing looks like a desktop are you sure that for a car.
If Steph is not testing it who the hell is?
If aem was smart you would make him put the motec in the Aem housing.
Biggest event of the year and only one car runing aem DRT ,blew up on sat and sun . what gives Jason you guys are using the public are test dummies eg supras and hondas and when anyone trys to talk to you about it you act like they are stupid{oh you need to learn how to tune}
Barry

Re: AEM BS
 

Now people see the light.....

Re: AEM BS
 

Barry, I just came from DRT (prepping for ATCO). I could not resist asking Ralphy what happened. He is actually in love with the new AEM unit and recommended it for the many inout/output fuctions as well as timing accuracy.

I could not resist asking about blowing up on both days. It was actually due to a faulty injector causing one of the cylinders to go lean causing engine failure, however he did say even though he had these problems it took the motor to blow twice to figure out one cylinder was running lean and still manage to run a 9 second pass.

Good luck to Ralphy and the DRT crew as they work out the racing bugs.

How does traction control with AEM compare to having a stand alone unit like http://www.racelogic.co.uk/

Ken

I have a prelude with the PnP ems and love it but I am ditching the prelude for a FD3S so I am ditching the EMS but I am going to get one for my 3rd gen when I get it. The tech support at AEM is incredible and the people are extremely nice and knowledgeable. (They will even call you back promptly when you leave a message!) I had some problems at first but the tech support people were great and actually worked and researched to help me with my problems.
I am definitly getting one for the 3rd gen I am buying as soon as possible.

What's the latest delivery date in the AEM EMS for the FD P&P???

Ken

does anyone know when the race system will be out??

Any Day Now....
 

I just called them at 1.800.255.4608 and asked about their part number 30-1800 availability...

Sales guy said, "Sometime in August"

Jason: Elliott here......how's it going? Looks like there is a lot of stuff being said about the system......rumors or 1st hand experience? It seems as though the guys who have it have nothing but good things to say about it. I'm still down.....how about you? I'll give you a call this week and talk some more. I'm coming down there again this weekend.....maybe we can meet up again. I've got some new parts to show you:D You'll like them.......of course on some of them you get the credit because you gave me quite a few ideas. Pat wanted to talk to you some more about the SVO also......you got him all fired up! We did a few little things to his car the last couple of weeks. It's flying!

I should be around this weekend. I haven't had much of a chance to work on my car (I have been on vacation for the past couple of weeks). I am going to be starting a new project car, and the RX7 may be up for sale;)

Jason.

Re: AEM BS
 

jason care to comment why a guy aem throws tens of thousands of dollars a year to refuses to use your own system. hmmmm;)

He doesn't!

Jason.

If the AEM can make 680 rwhp on your car months and months ago, how come its not ready to sell to the public?

Because my EMS was not a Plug N Play

Jason.

the race version is ready?

Greg: you don't want it though do you? Remember there are a lot of problems with them and Steph doesn't run it and he's sponsored by them:rolleyes: I'm just playing.......but why are you interested? Aren't you quite against it? I'll let you know soon how it is.....hopefully all goes well;)

Jason: Pat ordered his turbo....the one you guys were talking about. His car runs like a raped ape now!!!! It completely put it on me in my Mustang the other day. My car runs upper 13's on the motor and low 12's on the bottle with the DR's. I was on the unit for a sec. and he still left me like i mis-shifted to reverse:o: I'll give you a call if we decide to come down there this weekend......or even if we don't.

Only to certain Authorized people.

Jason.

just proving a point :)

So what is your point?

Jason.

Point is that if this EMS in race forum was ready the it would be on the market. If you can make 680hp and be proud of it with the race version which you plan on selling anyways why is it not on the market? You have been sporting your numbers for a while now, why not start with the race version which you claim powered your car to 680 hp and then release the plug an play versions? Id also like to know about the steph papadakis rumor about him not using your ems. Last I heard he was making 700+ hp with the motec system, If you can get 680 out of your car with the AEM, how come steph didnt feel confident enough with the unit to run on his AEM sponsored drag car? or any other AEM sponsored racer for that matter and he is using a less delicate engine.

Greg, the key word here is that Steph doesn't use the aem unit ANYMORE. Jason, why don't you tell us all the problems steph was having with it before he finally just gave up and went w/ motec.

Steph didn't have the time to re-wire the car for the ems this season, and that is the only reason it isn't on the car, feel free and ask him! We made a test jumper harness to run the car and dial it in, but it wasn't a proper wiring job, the car made great power, and EVERYTHING worked fine.

As for my car, what difference does it make. Obviously I am the engineer, I can do in my own time what ever I wish. I chose to make a harness to run the system on my car. I however am not going to make harness for everyone else in my spare time. Those decisions are handled by someone other than myself, and wisely they decided to do the plug n play units first. BTW I don't claim anything.

Jason.

Jason, you have still managed to avoid one very direct and clear question which has been asked several times. WHY IS THE SYSTEM NOT OUT YET? Seriously...from my (the consumers) perspective this all looks like total bullshit. Obviously I don't know any of the details behind the delays because nobody from AEM is saying shit! First it was supposed to be out when...back in JANUARY! Then it was pushed back again, and again, and again, until it was finally June and AEM said:

"Ken,

Good news, in the event we don't run into any road blocks the release has been moved up to late July!!!

Thanks again for your patients,

Kirk"

I would really like to know what these roadblocks are? I just don't believe that the 'development' and 'enhancement' of this product has caused over 8 months in delays. I think something is wrong with the product. I honestly hope I am wrong, since I have been waiting for this thing for 8 months. Please stuff my foot in my mouth and fill us in on the details.

It really doesn't matter what you believe, those are the facts. The delays are quite simple, it wasn't the first priority, software developement was. Our very first Honda plug n play release will run an RX7 if it is wired up properly. The RX7 plug n play was not our first priority, making the software easier to use was, end of story!

Jason.

Do you know how much more comfortable I would feel is someone from AEM just told us "Hey guys, we are having some problems with the unit and we dont want to release it to the public so that is why we are delaying selling it to the public".


BTW, is it possible to get a AEM ECU in the race format from an authorized dealer? I want to play with it....

Jason you have a fork tongue,earlier in the year i told you i had tried the software and that it had seemed real hard as compare to {hondata.or haltech} and you said no way, now its a different story .
How many wires do you need for a race system ? and why do you have to make the harness ?haltech sells terminated or un terminated .
Let see
2 air temp
2 water temp
3 map sensor
3 tps
4 crank angle sensors
3 o2 sensor
3 ignition
2 fuel pump
2 batt
How hard is that?
you pumped us up now you're selling you shit.
Tell us again why its better and easier than all the other systems out there . How are you going to make that thing pnp it can't fit in the stock location .
Who's doing the testing on the RX7s?
Why would steph put it in race with it and then take it out. how much did motec give him? no more lies please
Barry

If you guys want to believe there are problems, go ahead, I really don't care. Obviously everyone else is having great success with the units. I was initially on here to help you guys, and now I am being called a Liar, etc... by people who haven't a clue! I really don't care what you guys believe. Believe what you want! I am done wasting my time here. For those of you who are interested in finding out more info on the units, get on the AEM forums and read about it.

Jason.

wait, wait, wait. that's a good one. lemme get off the floor and stop laughing here. jason, you're saying that aem's biggest avenue of exposure, the car and driver which everyone associates with you're company, doesn't have your ecu because you guys quote, "didn't have time to re-wire the car"? wtf were you guys doing all winter, sipping margaritas by the beach? i find it very hard to believe that you just plain ran out of time to wire up your number one advertisement and your most important customer. so what exactly is he advertising for you guys for all the boatloads of money you guys give him, your fuel rail, lol? jason, you do know what your saying is equivalent to nike making golf balls for everyone, EXCEPT tiger. or castrol simply forgeting john force needs oil this year. you're saying you guys are passing up the chance to make millions of dollars in sales because you just didn't have the time.

also why keep it a secret that he's using another computer. you know aem's silence this whole time has led everyone to believe he's using your system. we had to find out from steph himself at the track that he's not even using your ems after all the hoopla you guys generated about it. you should see how surprised everyone at the track is when they realize he's using another manufacturer's ecu, using money out of his own pocket. and another thing, why don't you just tell us why you've really been having all these delay's, instead of having the political answer like "we've decided to focus our priorities elsewhere". I don't know about everyone else on this forum but the only reason I can think of for such massive delays is that it's been blowing up motors. so yeah, i guess you could say software development was your first priority, cuz your current software has been blowing up motors.

seriously though i'm gonna drop this. the one thing about drag racing is that results speak for themselves. it's like math, no matter what anyone says, the numbers never lie. so we'll just see how quick and reliable cars are on the strip with this thing, then maybe you'll be proven right. (if those cars really are using your system;) )

Way to go guys, beat him to death so he never comes back. Don't you understand that software development takes time? Software is rarely finished on time.

The EFI Xtreme has been delayed repeatedly, is it because the system "has problems"? No, its because it isn't ready to be thrown in a box on a shelf yet. There's a load of work needed to turn a perfectly working device into a product ready to be sold to consumers.

Wade

I don't understand why everyone is waiting for the PNP version or the race version. Why not pick up a universal one for a Honda and just wire it in? I've had mine for many many months but was waiting for other things to get finished 1st. It was a nice thought to get the wiring already done and just plug it in but looks like i'll be wiring it in anyway.

Have any of you guys met Jason? If so, i really don't think you'd be giving him so much shit. He's a really nice guy who probably knows more about cars in general.....let alone RX7's...than most (and i mean MOST) of the guys on this forum. I've talked to quite a few other people who will back him up as well. You people should do your homework on things before jumping to conclusions! Everything is not always as it seems.....

I really don't think Jason is to blame for the EMS not being out for certain cars. It's called business.......supply and demand. There isn't as much demand for the RX7 box compared to any of the other's i'm sure.

Jason......i really hope you don't let a few idiots piss you off and not come back. If so, then so be it. It's their loss!

I think the ignorant folks are the pushy ones who don't have a clue on what it takes to push out a product (hardware and software and support).

I understand the connectors took some time (is it ready yet?) to be developed for the 3rd gen PnP.
We all should know by now that software is not a cake walk to ship out the door. Look at most software products (patch and update software after launch).

Anyways, Justin (ProTech) has got me so interested in the EMS that I'm willing to give it a try. If it doesn't work out, I can always fall back on the Haltech. From what Justin has shown me on his AEM (Supra), it's pretty kick butt. The interface is real nice and the function blocks are real cool too.

A base map for a single turbo so start off would be nice. =oD

J

Its plain and simple, he came to the board to promote the product, not to help. THERE IS NOTHING TO HELP!! He couldnt answer some questions without being shady and now he dont wanna come back?!? Whatever happened to being truthful and telling the community whats going on.... Noone said he is to blame, he is just comming to the forum as a REP for AEM basically and he is not able to come up with any info.

hmmm, interesting after steph secretly switched out the aem ems for a motec, he's gone to 3 straight finals and won the last 2 events.;)

After taking a step back and looking at this thread, I can see how some of the things I have said may read a bit negative. I allowed a few users unnecessary personal attacks to temporarily color my impression of this boards users so I am writing this to recap the issues at hand.

Why is the Race box not available?
As previously stated, the manuals are not up to par for setting up a system from scratch. It has been incorrectly stated by some that the Race box is easier to make than the Plug & Play. While the designing and manufacturing hardware is essentially the same, the documentation and customer support required is much more involved. Since we do not require specific sensors or pickups to be used, the setup requires extensive documentation detailing sensor calibration, firing order setup, # of teeth on the cam and crank pickups that have never been seen by the existing stand alone tuning community. This flexibility would be extremely overwhelming without the proper setup documentation. The Race box hardware is unchanged since our very first box. We have all of the necessary parts to ship the Race box as soon as we feel the documentation is complete and we are prepared to support the product at the level required. However, the priority within AEM is to focus our resources on development of the largest Plug & Play applications first, since this is what's unique about our system and our largest immediate market.

Why has the RX-7 been delayed, I have heard you are blowing up engines.
The one and only Plug & Play test car that we have used is still 100% intact, and the engine has never been damaged with our system. The delay comes from software features being put as a higher priority. Customers that received early software with their units were having a hard time understanding some of the features, so we decided to take more time to make the software more intuitive. Since the RX7 required new software to properly drive the Oil Metering Pump, it was affected by this decision where other releases were not.

Why is Steph still running a Motec and not AEM? I heard he couldn't make power.
Our prototype Race system was not available to Steph until after the current race car was completed and the start of the 2002 season had already begun. We made a jumper harness to connect our system to Steph's existing Motec chassis harness and made the same exact power as the Motec on the dyno. Steph took the car to Florida with our system on the car. However, our launch control system is different than the Motec and Steph wasn't familiar with it and had a hard time setting it up. Also while in Florida, he developed an intermittent misfire, that traced back to the jumper harness between the AEM unit and the existing Motec harness. The next race was in New Jersey and the car was staying on the east coast. This fact, coupled with Steph's familiarity with the Motec data logger analysis software that we already possessed led to the joint decision by Steph and AEM to remove the jumper harness, put the Motec back in the car and finish the existing season rather than use race events as test sessions. As you all know, trying to get familiar with new software is not an overnight thing and not something a professional race team does mid-season.

As to any belief that AEM was hiding the fact that the Motec is in the car, well, anybody who has seen the car recently can attest to the fact that the Motec is prominently displayed in the cockpit in public and recent print advertisements.

For more information and to get prompt answers to technical questions we encourage you to check out our AEM EMS forum at http://www.aempower.com/bbs. AEM provides this forum as a place for information exchange between EMS users and interested future users. There is a wealth of information from the hundreds of people using this system to power their vehicles. There is a new forum dedicated exclusively to the Mazda, which releases the 28th of this month.

Jason.

So what is the deal with the group buy that was going to happen?

ok, who the hell is going to be able to tune that thing?

how hard is it compare to haltech or power fc.

what i liked about the PFC is that you can put in a map from a tuner, will it be the same thing with the aem?

i don't know which one to buy anymore.

that's fucking exactly what i wanted to hear from you jason. you guys put the aem unit in steph's car and it had problems, some quite major. he couldn't do shit with the aem system in the car, and it was cleverly disguised as "tranny problems." he switched back to motec and is now kicking ass w/ it. i'm sure you guys are working on rectifying all your problems and will come back stronger. all you had to do was be man enough to explain the problems you've had with it so that we don't go around repeating your mistakes. you've had problems, so what, now go fix them. you don't have to go around bullshiting like everything's been perfect.