hawaii rx-7

what do u guys think? i always thought rx-7's were meant to be grip cars that were intended for road courses. after all, it does pull .97 g's stock... don't you think 240 sx's and and corollas's were more suited for drifting? The stock shitty suspension and super narrow tires make it easy to slide around. Speaking from personal experience, the stock 240 i drove was sliding out at a 20 mph corner...

Sure you can drift a fd, but why? imo, they were just never meant to be used like that.

please post a reply...

peace, hawaii rx-7

hawaii rx-7

respond please... i want your opinions!. I don't care if you tell me yes, or give me an enthusiastic HELL NO!! just write something... thanks.

whitet777

I think the real strength of the FD is not so much drifting but in utilizing throttle for oversteer possibilities. Just a slight goose of the throttle and your rear will try to catch up with the front making cornering very interesting and fast. I have done 4 wheel drifts, but they aren't as fun as oversteer.

DK

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brother of Tim,

98% of the guys on this board don't know the difference between powersliding, oversteer, recovery, and true drifting. I'm not even sure that you do. I don't think you're going to get much response to this thread.

The best drifters actually have great suspensions in their cars, so I'm not sure on your suspension conjecture. The FD is a good drift car, but not the greatest. It's limited by being too well-balanced, with the light motor behind the front wheels, and therefore doesn't produce as much centrifugal acceleration as an S13 platform, etc.

Flybye

Ahhhh....drifting

There is nothing like going through an entire corner with the car at a 45 degree angle Drifting with the FD isn't really hard. Recovery is what is tricky. FDs have a tendancy of snaping themselves back into a straight line. If you don't know how to control this, it could get ugly.

Whats the best way to practice drifting? Go to a BIG parking lot. The last thing you want to do is practice drifting on exit ramps and then end up in a ditch

But DO remember.....drifting ONLY looks cool. It WILL kill your time in a race.

Zoomspeed

I was thinking the same thing DK. I don't know very much about drifting, but I know its alot more then just getting your car side ways. It takes skill and the right setup. Its not all about breaking traction, but about breaking traction and maintaining control. May be I've just been watching too much Intial D.

SleepR1

OH YEAAHHH!!!

--FD Drift King

Tobal

this drifting things all reminds me of this anime i saw "Initial D" where all these cars uses the drift technique. The FD was tight...

Flybye

It's all about being able to get the reat end loose, and then fluctuating the gas to where you don't bring the rear end out completly but you give it enough gas to keep it drifting.

BOOSTIN

I belive an MR2 is a GREAT dirft car. They have hadrly any body roll, and with their tiny body can control like u wouldnt belive, i have a friend who drifts all the time in the mountains of Lake Tahoe in San Franciso, CA area, he will soon be racing in europe on a professional circuit, he is excellent at it! i dont know but ummmm yea sure FD"s would be fun to drift in, hehe

DK

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HAHAHAHA! At least you can admit it! You wouldn't believe how many people have seen Initial D now that it's in pure fad stage and suddenly think they know about drifting. Or would you?! HAHAHAHA ... you made me laugh!

PraxRX7

I drifted once by accident at the drag strip ending that curves back the other way in my FC.....then I saw Initial D....

But it is very difficult to drift I think.

An FD for instance is very difficult to control in a drift and keep the rear from getting to far ahead in the angle etc.

I think an FC is easier, but due to my lack of racing school knowledge (soon to be remedied) I still have problems with the car snapping straight again. Probably because I am not entering the corner with enough speed...and am scared shitless at losing control of my car at 80+ KPH

Alpine

lol da hell, how many people here saw initial d???

BlackR1

Alpine & DK> LOL You're telling me!

I dunno about MR2's being good drift cars...their weight is all in the rear. Too much weight in the rear will cause traction, in addition to the weight transfer when stepping on the throttle. Too much traction during a countersteer will send the MR2 spinning in circles! You've got skill if you can successfully drift an MR2. The most I could do in my friends NA model was to just drag its *** by using the throttle without any countersteer. Any time I tried countersteering i went sliding or doing 720s. Those cars are scary!

About FD's as drift cars...they're ok... i've played around with mine, but without much success with the stock suspension setup. The car has too much traction, even with my ultra hard compound-cheap-*** 'Kelly Charger' tires. My only tip is to never let your foot off the gas...thats when trouble happens...I think the best thing about the FD for drifting is it's hp and the fact that it pulls so many G's-- it's easy to get the *** end squirrely by pushing the throttle during a tight turn or just by hitting the brake (and then mashing the gas pedal immediately after ) Controlling it thereafter is another story

For the most part it's really hard...i should take pictures of my battle scars and curb rash. I have like 7 failed attempts for every 1 successful drift. It's too difficult and dangerous (that or i simply suck) when it comes to drifting on a stock setup. I'll try again when I get my TEIN or N1 susp.

any car that puts power to the rear wheels can drift...corollas, nissans, and fcs just tend to be a bit more popular. Heck, you could probably drift one of those stupid lowered mini trucks, or grandpas Crown Victoria if you were determined enough

Mid_KnightFD

Its all about car control, fd has great handeling so it makes it easy to control the drift, but first you have to set the car up for it, most of the guys you see doing this have specificaly set there car up for drifting thats why you see the expensive suspension on the cars, watch the option rx7 special theres a guy on there that realy knows how to drift an FD. but you have to have the set up to make it easier to control just like any thing else drag racing, road corse, whatever there is a different set up for everything.

Mindphrame

Well im not the greatest typer so this is going to take a bit. Hopefully it helps a little bit . Please forgive any spelling or grammerical errors b/c im a dumbass and dont feel like checking it ok..now with that out of the way.

Inducing Drift
Inducing drift with tires sliding across the road not only looks good, but for the driver there is no better feeling. The basics of inducing drift start with mastering weight transfer the technique common to all race car driving skills. If you wan to drive as fast as you can and look cool doing it, you'll want to learn how to induce drift.

To drive as fast as possible, you must get the most performance out of your tires and master the technique of weight transfer. The basics of inducing the drift maneuver are based in the same principles. Sliding the rear tires while staying in control not only looks awesome, there is no greater thrill for the driver.

Allowing the rear tires to go into a slide is over steer. If the rear tires slide too much, the car spins out. Drift is that state where the car is manipulated with the steering wheel and throttle to continuously maintain a state of over steer.

When the lateral and straight-line force components acting on a tire exceed the tires traction capacity, the tire suddenly loses its grip on the road. However, if the traction capacity is exceeded by only a small margin, the car will not spin and the driver can still maintain control.

Although it is difficult to express accurately in numbers, if the force components are approximately 101% or 102% of the traction capacity, the driver will still be able to maintain some control without the car going into a spin. If the force exceeds 105%, maintain control becomes exceedingly difficult. The driver can control the car in this situation by using the throttle to adjust the strait-line and lateral components of the tires’ traction. In other words, while the car is in a state of over steer, the driver can control the car to further induce over steer or conversely, slowly correct the over steer while still moving forward.

The driver can continuously adjust the tires’ traction to dip to about 98% or exceed 100% while still maintaining control of the car. If weight transfer techniques are employed with skilled handling, controlling over steer will become a snap, allowing you to induce beautiful drifts.

There you have it. If anyone is interested Ill explaine about the spin turn, Braking drift, Faint Motion and the ultimate : Inertal Drift. This is just to give peple that dont know an idea about drifting.
Let me know if anyone cares.

Zoomspeed

Whats an inertial drift? I just rember somebody doing it on intial D and everyone in the anime was like " INERTIAL DRIFT!! "

PraxRX7

"INERTIAL DRIFT!"

What episode?

95MX6

Inertial drift is inducing drift by weight transfer alone. Usually make a quick turn or feint in the opposite direction of the turn and then turn the correct direction, it's one of the more difficult techniques to master. For more drifting info and drifting videos check out http://www.driftclub.com

Zoomspeed

I dont' remeber. I think it was one of the episodes in which takume (sp?) raced the girl that has the silvia, but I'm not sure.

Mindphrame

Contrariy to popular belief, inertial drift is not from doing a faint motion. Thats a faint motion drift, kinda like whipping the back end around...just about anyone with some skills can do that. Inertial drift is much MUCH harder. It really takes some *****.
Ok. here it is. This is inertial drift.

The Ultimate: Inertial Drift

If you’re now able to induce both braking drift and faint motion drift, then there’s no question you’ve got some driving skills. And although being able to show fans in the gallery a cool counter-steering move or long controlled slide is part of the fun the true test of your skills as a master drifter lies in the ability to pull off inertial drift.

What is inertial drift? It’s where you don’t use any of the techniques like faint motion or breaking. Instead, you enter a corner at high speed, exceeding the lateral traction capacity of the rear tires and causing them to naturally slide laterally while still maintaining control of the car.

In addition, not only does that car slide laterally but by controlling that throttle you must keep the car moving forward to maintain its cornering speed. Ideally, the steering wheel will be slightly counter to the direction of the corner, so even while the car is cornering, the steering wheel remains near center. If you can master this maneuver, you’re truly cornering at the highest speeds possible.

Inertial drift is not only beautiful in its technique, but is also the fastest way to corner, thus combining two important aspects of race car driving.

How do you induce inertial drift? Enter mid to high speed corners at the highest speed possible, bordering on going too fast. If the car goes into under steer, you must work on turning the car earlier.

Once you’ve sufficiently turned the car, you need to use the throttle to barely exceed the tires’ traction capacity and increase the cornering speed. You don’t want to floor the accelerator to create over steer. Instead, you want to accelerate slightly to create centrifugal force just great enough to exceed the tires’ traction capacity so that both the front and rear of the car start sliding.

You should have the steering wheel in a slight counter-steer position as you use the throttle to keep the car moving forward with all four tires sliding. This is the best way to reach the highest speeds around a corner.

Because you will be traveling at very high speeds during the inertial drift, having the proper mindset is very important to mastering this maneuver. As you round the corner and prepare to exit, keep your line of vision set far ahead of you with the determination to make it through to the end of the corner while maintaining control. The only was to develop the confidence to complete the turn without losing control is through repeated practice.

As you become more familiar with drifting, you will realize that this is the only method available to truly reach the highest cornering speeds possible. What this means is that to become a truly fast race car driver, you too must master the technique of drifting.

So there ya have it. Like I said before, there is sliding, spin turn, breaking drift, faint motion, and the 'ultimate' Inertial drift.
I guess I should post em? Have like a little "how to" thread going.

JoeD

hey Mindphrame, stop copying the info on drifting from the Gran Turismo Reference Guide, and claiming you wrote it.

Mindphrame

I never said that I wrote it. I figured almost everyone had gran turismo anyway. Note "im not the greatest typer this may take a bit" and "So there ya have it" Just thought people would want to know.

Cheuk in Seoul

I think that suspension wise it would be a great drifter.
But have you seen those drifting videos... all the cars are atleast a little f'ed up from all the minor off road or on road "incidences". Especially those team drift videos.

The FD is just too pretty to drift... much less practice learning to drift on. Get on old corolla or 240 SX.

Cheuk

DK

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HAHAHAHAHA!! Oooops ... Busted! I don't play GT anyways, but damn those explanations are pretty bad. Oh well, it just made me think he thought he knew what he was talking about and made him look silly ... but now this plagiarism has added to the silliness.