weaklink

not likely as mazda has stopped producing the rotors, right?

su_maverick

it doesnt have to be oem parts...it just depends on when people want to restore them, if there is enough backing from suppliers, whomever they may be (not saying it will happen, but only time will tell)

areXseven

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I found this old thread....
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...ight=vin+block

Also, The RX-7 bible didn't have the info/illustration I remember seeing. I think it's in my 1993 Owners Manual (I have it at the house). I'll check it tonight and post my findings.

EVS.TurboTuner

Of course your not an expert, who compares a 2005-2006 car to a '93-'95 Car? You need to compare cars during its time. You'll find that the FD is well matched against the $110K+ Ferrari 348, actually surpassing it in performance. Sure I can compare the Mopars. Mopars were built as the ultimate sports car, same definition applies to the FD. Mopars were meant to be affordable, so was the FD when compared to many high end sports cars. Mopars weren't built for reliability and comfort! It was about raw muscle power. I have a freaking Mopar so I know what the heck I'm talking about. I own an original 1970 T/A with all documentation. I don't think I would be beating myself to a pulp.

1970 Dodge Challenger T/A 340 Six Pak
www.turbotuner.com/challenger/001.jpg


The Mazda RX7 3rd gen was a no compromised sports car, so reliability and comfort aren't even issues that should be brought up. People now and later will appreciate their strict definition of a sports car. How many pure sports car were there during the early '90s that didn't cost more than $50k? I don't think any. 300ZX, Supra, 3000GT, etc were all GT cars (heavy and not as nimble).

The worst FD owner is the one that doesn't appreciate and understand what he owns. A lot of FD owners here are passionate about their car, even if it gives them some problems. Owning an FD isn't about comfort and daily driving capabilities. If the FD isn't a great car, why are there many independent shops that thrive on just servicing and selling aftermarket parts for the FD? www.rx7store.net www.rotaryperformance.com www.rx7fashion.com? Just to name a few. Its about emotions, the link between man and machine. If you want comfort and reliability go buy your econo box Honda.

FD_dave

it already is a classic, and its cult status will ensure it'll become even more of a classic. monetary value is not the ONLY factor you use to judge a classic. vw bugs are classics but they don't fetch that much $, same w/ the bus

of course japanese cars can become classics. there're already a couple of 'em out there. the toyota 2000GT (which have been rumored to be valued at over 100k), the mazda cosmo sport, the nissan skyline 2000GT-R, the honda S500 & S600. granted, only the honda and toyota were sold here, but these are bona fide classic cars and where they were sold these now have a cult following and are quite valuable. the reason the Z seems like it's worthless is because it's too new, it only came out in 1970, and it was mass produced and subsequent models became less and less attractive ('cept the z32). the original 240Z, however, has attained classic status. there're clubs of people around the car and prestine restored examples can be found. the FD, given its rarity in the US and its characters, will no doubt become more valuable, only a matter of time

jimlab

I didnt see anyone chime in to verify what Gordon said. There sure wasn't a stamp that matched that description anywhere on my original 1995 "block", and we tore it down completely during the swap. I even went back and checked the pictures I took.

For that matter, I've never seen it on any other block, including the one we swapped in that I believe came from a '93. There was no stamp on my last engine either, which came from Hayes Rotary.

Should be interesting to see what you find. Looks like we've got a genuine mystery here.

weaklink

your 2nd post is at odds with your first. Perhaps you forgot what you wrote, or perhaps you don't know what you are talking about. You are the one that made comparisons to todays cars. Please reread your post. You remarked that the car was easy to tune and now you are saying it's not all about ease and reliability? Incidently, the reason there are so many aftermarket parts shops and servicers is because the car breaks ALL of the time. I know because I have supported these shops you are talking about. The worst type of FD owner is the one who hasn't owned or driven one long enough to know what the hell he is talking about.

areXseven

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I may be wrong Jim,(not the first time, certainly not the last!) but I'll check the Manual tonight. Perhaps the "plate" is taken off when the Engines are rebuilt and sold as Remands??

But that would'nt explain your situation with your original block. Strange to say the least.

weaklink

i don't doubt you, even though I haven't heard of any of these cars. However, the truth is that the FD hasn't held its value even over the last year. I at least appreciate that you maintained a civil tone. I guess the difference is between classic and "cult classic". I agree that money doesn't make cars "classic". That's why I can't agree with the "emperor's new clothes" mentality.

neofreak

There are no numbers to match up with a chassis on the engine whatsoever.

onefast3gen

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I think the price will go up in lik 10 years or so. But i can definitly wait for that to happen cause that also meens im getting older. I dont wanna get old. To be honest if you are worried about making money off them, ya the price will go up but i would just enjoy the car now while its still young and your still young. If your in if for your better off putting it in the bank.

cosmicbang

Datsun 240Z is considered a classic. Actually, an earlier RX-7 might make an interesting comparison. A 1979 RX-7 (25 years old) in good condition is now easily worth it's original purchase price. Because there were over 50,000 of the 1979 models sold, the comparative rarity of the FD should make it correspondingly more valuable. In the long term, the most original cars will have the greatest value, but hopefully no one is buying RX-7's as an investment.

John Magnuson

I think that once Mazda makes a new RX7 the value is going to drop a lot. Mine had high miles and I bought it in good running condition 2 years ago for under $10K.

EVS.TurboTuner

Ease of tuning and the word "comfort" is two different things buddy. Comfort is like a cushy ride and non jarring suspension. Ease of tuning also means no OBDII! Come on read the threads correctly!

TranceMuzakMatt

That makes me feel sick.

PhoenixDownVII

Did I read that the supra is more rare than the Rx7? Can someone post numbers proving that? I find it hard to believe considering the Supra was out from 93-98, not just 95, PLUS the fact there were so many NA's around, and plenty of automatic and exclusive hardtops....

I always said it's quite the opposite, makes sense that a Turbo-only car released from 93-95 would be more rare than one that came in many options from 93-98.

Tenacious

I've debated this with a pretty big number of people, FD's were and still are some of the best looking cars out, reliability? blah! For instance, I own a 1977 MGB, it was trashed, bought the car for 800dollars, I rebuilt the motor, did the interior and did all of the body work(except the painting), I roughly spent about 2.5k total on the car(about 50hours on it), and I'm about to resell it for 9k, thats a pretty nice profit margin.
MGB's were once a british racing car, today, its one of the slowest cars I think I have ever driven, but its still a good looking car, it has more problems with it than FD's, and people are still willing to spend 10k on an almost 30 year old sports car?
For instance, like 91 Skylines sell for like 2500 in Japan, they sell for like 25000 here(U.S).
For instance Shelby Cobra's :http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...487422779&rd=1

considering inflation etc etc etc, back in 1975 you could buy one of those bad boys for like what is today 10k. Mind you, right now, the economy is ***, and everything is going for cheaper.
I remember seeing a 64 Austin Healy(just the body) no engine, no seats, no axles, go for 8k! I bet in 2 years when the new 7's come out, people are gonna hate them(lmaybe the body, or engine(plastic practically), then the Rotary fad is gonna skyrocket, and all the old Rotary guys are gonna come out of the woodwork again.

Just my 2 cents

fd3s_rx7

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Depreciation value on our FD will go down... Way down... One of problem is the Non-Reliable that kills the value on the FD.
"KIDS" will soon have enough fund to take over. A good example of how much our FD is being value is already proven... The Altezza Lights.....I feel so sad. But then again, I will keep mine till I give up on it...

EVS.TurboTuner

Yes you did read that the Supra is more rare than the FD in turbo form.

http://www.mkiv.com/specifications/s...ail_sales.html

3712 + 2939 + 326 = 6,977 turbo charged Supras


There are 13,879 RX7s.

EVS.TurboTuner

This is the exact reason the value of the FD will go up in the future. I'm not saying anytime soon but it will skyrocket. When all these kids destroy the FD, whats left of good FDs will be very rare. People drive muscle cars and they are no where near being reliable. I have so many muscle cars, frame off or on frame restoration it doesn't matter. No classic car is reliable. If anything the FD is so much more reliable than the 60s and 70s car. But the reason the FD will be worth a lot in the future is because of its uniqueness, being the first Japanese or maybe any sports car to first feature twin sequential turbos.

The other reason it will be worth a lot is because RX7 owners you know the the car are passionate about it, like you and me.

jimlab

You've got to be kidding.

You've GOT to be kidding.

jimlab

http://www.mkiv.com/specifications/s...ail_sales.html

Scrapiron7

Wow. I am surprised by those numbers.

jimlab

Just for comparison, there were 84,104 Nissan 300ZXs sold from 1990 to 1996, 65,303 Dodge Stealths sold from 1991-1996, and 86,151 Mitsubishi 3000GTs sold from 1991 to 1999.

Skeltah

I was looking at Supra's when I bought my Rx-7 back in 98' and was only able to find one "used" TT with a 6speed.. damn they made a shitload of them with autos. I ended up staying with the Rx because of the way it felt....i still wonder wether or not I made a good decision.

Matthew Walsh