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XLR8 11-08-11 07:38 PM


Originally Posted by zeroG (Post 10854709)
Kilo probably doesn't like Meth because it's something you have to fine tune for

If you use straight up water injection, it essentially does the same thing as meth, and you do not have to tune for it.

++1 Monitor knock and turn up the boost.

OP, you should look into Rice Racing. Peter has been making sick reliable numbers using manual water injection for years. I am developing my own kit is well. With the use of Aquamist's monitoring DDS3 system, it will be rock solid.

buffrx7 11-09-11 12:08 PM

Ok so ordering my Borg warner s366 today

oo7arkman 11-09-11 07:20 PM

Bingo. No tuning needed for just h2o injection. Heck, I run windshield wahser fluid (premixed h2o and meth % meth depends on degree, lower = more meth) and most certainly did not retune for it. I run it primarily as a knock deterent and air intake temp cooler. I am tuned to run boost safely and added the AI as an extra safety measure. BUT like I mentioned, if you do not need all that power all the time ( and I seriously doubt you do, most of us don't) you could tune for safety with fuel only to the 19psi, then turn the AI on to deter knock, turn theboost up and continue to tune with fuel. Set the AI failsafe to lower boost to 19psi or lower if the sytem fails. Good, name-brand systems are really quite reliable if installed correctly.

If you want help lemme know. I am in the Orlando area. I just did my AI install about 9months ago and you don't even know its there unless you look under my Greddy elbow and see the injector and line...

buffrx7 11-10-11 07:34 PM

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well ladies here it is the new turbo to get me to 500hp borg warner s366 im getting the meth kit tomorrow will throw it on and hit the dyno and see where it lands me......only thing though is im not gonna tune with meth to add more power im gonna tune it to run safe at the power it will already be making

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Alex Rodriguez 11-10-11 07:46 PM

sounds good bro keep us posted

Yo make a thread of your car in the builds section!!!!

XLR8 11-10-11 08:06 PM

Pretty! :)

Lets see those charts!

buffrx7 11-11-11 05:38 PM

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buffrx7 11-11-11 05:39 PM

bigger turbo and Methamphetamines here we come 500

rcracer_tx 11-12-11 11:32 AM

Thank god you decided to go with water/meth. Anyone who claims to be an expert and discourages meth injection on a rotary is a poorly informed tuner at best imo. Anyone who's used water/meth and understands how it works in the engine would tell you not to build the car without it. (Unless your running e85 then the gains are marginal, but the water still has a strong cooling and cleaning effect on the engine)


Are you running the stock secondaries as primaries with a top feed rail, or are you actually running the whole stock primary setup? Before you look at making 500+ whp, you might want to look at the injector duty cycle as that setup has to be being pushed at that power level.

GoodfellaFD3S 11-12-11 03:31 PM

+1 for water/meth. I've been injecting windshield wiper fluid for years now.....ran up to 22 psi on the 500R with it, so more than 500 rwhp. Basic Aquamist 1S system has been absolutely bulletproof. I use the OEM tank, and it's funny to watch all the BMW/Porsche guys watching me constantly refilling my tank in between sessions at the road race track. More than one has asked me what the hell I'm doing :lol:

buffrx7 11-12-11 04:59 PM

yeah i got the stock primarys and 1600s on the other 2

buffrx7 11-12-11 05:27 PM

i also made a build thread

https://www.rx7club.com/build-threads-292/my-3rdgen-built-lots-o-pics-videos-d-976655/

rcracer_tx 11-12-11 07:24 PM


Originally Posted by GoodfellaFD3S (Post 10859369)
+1 for water/meth. I've been injecting windshield wiper fluid for years now.....ran up to 22 psi on the 500R with it, so more than 500 rwhp. Basic Aquamist 1S system has been absolutely bulletproof. I use the OEM tank, and it's funny to watch all the BMW/Porsche guys watching me constantly refilling my tank in between sessions at the road race track. More than one has asked me what the hell I'm doing :lol:

Haha, whats worse is when somebody overhears you're talking to a fellow enthusiast saying you need to pick up some more meth... talk about awkward :blush: I'm sure there's a group of strangers that think I am addicted to meth and not realizing I'm talking about aux injection in my car.

Getting an aftermarket FPR and 1000cc primaries with a top feed rail might be a good idea if you are going to be pushing the engine.

buffrx7 11-12-11 08:06 PM

i got a fpr and what wiper fluid are you guys using insted of mixing?

rcracer_tx 11-12-11 09:53 PM


Originally Posted by buffrx7 (Post 10859627)
i got a fpr and what wiper fluid are you guys using insted of mixing?

I know several people who use HEET, although it is expensive.

A little info courtesy of Snow Performance on what to use as water/meth:

• Windshield Washer fluid: Only if it is blue in color and rated for -20 deg F. This means it is safe to use and made of about 30% methanol, 70% water. If it is another color or another temperature rating, do not use it. It should NOT have any extra additives or features.
• You can “spike” your Blue -20 Washer fluid to a 50% mixture by adding 3 12OZ yellow bottles of Heet® gas-line-antifreeze to every gallon of washer fluid.
• Mix your own: You just need to make sure the methanol is “neat” and contains no lubricants or other additives. We recommend a 50% mixture.

buffrx7 12-13-11 08:58 PM

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IF YOU WATCH THE VIDEO EXCUSE THE DICK HEADS SCREAMING IN THE BACK FUCKING KIDS......lmao

buffrx7 12-13-11 09:12 PM

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fendamonky 12-13-11 10:57 PM

When is boost coming on in force for you?

buffrx7 12-14-11 01:20 PM

full boost by 4800

buffrx7 12-14-11 06:19 PM

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XLR8 12-14-11 06:38 PM

Very cool stuff man! Congratts :)

fendamonky 12-14-11 08:04 PM


Originally Posted by buffrx7 (Post 10899839)
full boost by 4800

And what psi were you set for after A/I again? (Don't mind me, I'm just curious, lol)

buffrx7 12-14-11 09:49 PM


Originally Posted by fendamonky (Post 10900395)
And what psi were you set for after A/I again? (Don't mind me, I'm just curious, lol)

24-25psi

ALPSTA 12-15-11 04:03 AM


Originally Posted by GoodfellaFD3S (Post 10859369)
+1 for water/meth. I've been injecting windshield wiper fluid for years now.....ran up to 22 psi on the 500R with it, so more than 500 rwhp. Basic Aquamist 1S system has been absolutely bulletproof. I use the OEM tank, and it's funny to watch all the BMW/Porsche guys watching me constantly refilling my tank in between sessions at the road race track. More than one has asked me what the hell I'm doing :lol:

Once I get my car back on the road water/meth inj. will be the first in my list and I also plan to use the OEM tank for convenience. As we all know, engine bay gets very hot so the water in the oem tank would be warmer than the water in the trunk. Would this make any noticeable difference?

fendamonky 12-15-11 08:53 AM


Originally Posted by Alpsta (Post 10900872)
As we all know, engine bay gets very hot so the water in the oem tank would be warmer than the water in the trunk. Would this make any noticeable difference?

I used the stock front windshield washer fluid tank for years and I never really noticed anything bad.

You figure the liquid is providing cooling through the chemical process of atomization, not necessarily it's starting temperature. That, and the tank isn't really INSIDE the engine bay, it's up there, but it's getting constant air flow from the oil cooler ducts iirc.


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