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12-29-06, 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by turb0x2
I was at the body shop ( I get all my work done there and referred Rob to them
and I will be the first to tell you that the custom sheet metal rear fenders look AMAZING and it might as well have come from the factory like that! If you looked at the car from the front you would have no idea that theres 315's in the rear...just plain sexy...hehe
and I will be the first to tell you that the custom sheet metal rear fenders look AMAZING and it might as well have come from the factory like that! If you looked at the car from the front you would have no idea that theres 315's in the rear...just plain sexy...hehe
12-29-06, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by wanklin
The car's been in the hands of my talented body/paint guys for about 4 months, and I'm picking her up tomorrow. Dropped her off for a full color change (CYM to TGM) inside, underneath and out, custom sheetmetal fender work with costum well liners to match perfectly offset for my widened 99 spec wheels and ZR-1 tire setup. From their description it seems that they have gone above and beyond in achieving the objectives which I outlined for them. I wanted a wide-body setup to suit my to-be properly cambered 315 rears while maintaining the OEM appearance, including the rear lips! Everything was done the right way. The necessary panels were stripped, all glass was removed, and the paint has been polished to show room spec. I can tell from their enthusiasm over the phone that they have really enjoyed the project and I have high expectations which I think will be fulfilled.
Wish me luck! ;o)
Robert
Wish me luck! ;o)
Robert
GET SOME DAMN PICs........PRONTO!!!!!
TGM? Titanium Grey Metalic?
12-29-06, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by jojodotcom
I am sad because another CYM is gone.... but very excited to see the new colour~ Pics please~
12-29-06, 11:08 AM
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Here are some before shots:
I've attached 3 shots of the car when it was a bare shell and a couple shots showing the widened 99 spec 17" wheels for good measure. The Burnout flares in the wheel pics have long since been ditched for the metal work. I did this for aesthetics (I wanted to keep an OEM look) and structural integrity. The front fenders have been rolled and removable, fiberglass weel well liners have been made for the front to allow ample room for the 275mm tires. I haven't seen the rears yet but my understanding is that they did somewhat of a miny tub to extend the existing wells.
If the body guys haven't trashed the burnouts I'll be putting them up for sale shortly. Maurice, you have dibs if you want them.
A little side note: I have also had some custom OEM-looking badges made for the car. I drew the design and the emblems were CNC'd from metalic looking plastic and red high sheen plastic. I'll post pics of those later, but I'm really happy about the way that they turned out ;o)
If the body guys haven't trashed the burnouts I'll be putting them up for sale shortly. Maurice, you have dibs if you want them.
A little side note: I have also had some custom OEM-looking badges made for the car. I drew the design and the emblems were CNC'd from metalic looking plastic and red high sheen plastic. I'll post pics of those later, but I'm really happy about the way that they turned out ;o)
12-29-06, 11:23 AM
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You had stock '99+ wheels widened? What kind of guarantee did they give you about the durability of welding to cast aluminum?
No offense, but my life is worth a bit more to me than being able to run a P315 on a stock style wheel. I would have bought properly sized wheels.
12-29-06, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by jimlab
You had stock '99+ wheels widened? What kind of guarantee did they give you about the durability of welding to cast aluminum?
Originally Posted by jimlab
No offense, but my life is worth a bit more to me than being able to run a P315 on a stock style wheel. I would have bought properly sized wheels.
12-29-06, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by wanklin
The company that I had perform the work has used this same process on cast alloy wheels for years with no issues.
The aluminum extension rings which were welden in are of a slightly thicker gauge than the rim halves and the welds are as stout, deep and clean as they come. The rim was cut in half then the ring was welded in on a jig while the fabricator made sure to constantly check and recheck that everything was properly aligned.
12-29-06, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by jimlab
You had stock '99+ wheels widened? What kind of guarantee did they give you about the durability of welding to cast aluminum?
No offense, but my life is worth a bit more to me than being able to run a P315 on a stock style wheel. I would have bought properly sized wheels.
With all due respect of course
12-29-06, 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by jimlab
On cars with a 170+ mph top speed?
Originally Posted by jimlab
Good info. Just FYI, aluminum welds are always weaker than the material on either side.
How's your theater coming along by the way?
12-29-06, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Fritz Flynn
Of all the people on the forum to make this comment WOW
With all due respect of course
Unfortunately, I'm one of the few people on this forum who understands that a P315 doesn't offer significantly more traction than a P285, given equivalent tread design and compound, so to go to lengths like this to fit a wider tire doesn't make any sense to me. The reason wider tires are associated with better traction is because they're heavier and harder to spin... not necessarily because they grip any better.
Wanklin, best of luck with your wheels and your car. I'm looking forward to seeing pictures of your fender mods.
12-29-06, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by wanklin
I could not make my current powerplant powerful enough to break these wheels if I wanted to.
How's your theater coming along by the way?
12-29-06, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by jimlab
Hi Fritz. Have I ever compromised on safety with any of the changes I've made to my car, or is this just because I still believe the weight of stock turbos should include the required cast iron exhaust manifold?
Of course.
Unfortunately, I'm one of the few people on this forum who understands that a P315 doesn't offer significantly more traction than a P285, given equivalent tread design and compound, so to go to lengths like this to fit a wider tire doesn't make any sense to me. The reason wider tires are associated with better traction is because they're heavier and harder to spin... not necessarily because they grip any better.
Wanklin, best of luck with your wheels and your car. I'm looking forward to seeing pictures of your fender mods.
Of course.
Unfortunately, I'm one of the few people on this forum who understands that a P315 doesn't offer significantly more traction than a P285, given equivalent tread design and compound, so to go to lengths like this to fit a wider tire doesn't make any sense to me. The reason wider tires are associated with better traction is because they're heavier and harder to spin... not necessarily because they grip any better.
Wanklin, best of luck with your wheels and your car. I'm looking forward to seeing pictures of your fender mods.
OOPs I misread your comment and thought you were referring to him wasting his time not his life/mortality so I'll proceed to insert foot into mouth
Regarding the tire thing if he's making 400 rwhp he'll use those 315mm tires no problem. Remember I have some experience with wheels and tires.
Which is why I was ribbing you because to me you guys are both crazy *** fools building these wild projects but I sure love following the mix and hope his and your car both come out beauuuteeefulll!
AND for the last DAMN time you don't include the exhaust manifold with the twin turbos SHEEESH
12-29-06, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by jimlab
I honestly didn't mean any offense. I simply regard some risks as not worth taking, and I hope for your sake that there's none involved with that mod. Enough people die in these cars as it is.
Fine, thanks.
Fine, thanks.
Originally Posted by jimlab
Unfortunately, I'm one of the few people on this forum who understands that a P315 doesn't offer significantly more traction than a P285, given equivalent tread design and compound, so to go to lengths like this to fit a wider tire doesn't make any sense to me. The reason wider tires are associated with better traction is because they're heavier and harder to spin... not necessarily because they grip any better.
Originally Posted by jimlab
Wanklin, best of luck with your wheels and your car. I'm looking forward to seeing pictures of your fender mods.
12-29-06, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by jimlab
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Unfortunately, I'm one of the few people on this forum who understands that a P315 doesn't offer significantly more traction than a P285, given equivalent tread design and compound, so to go to lengths like this to fit a wider tire doesn't make any sense to me. The reason wider tires are associated with better traction is because they're heavier and harder to spin... not necessarily because they grip any better.
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Unfortunately, I'm one of the few people on this forum who understands that a P315 doesn't offer significantly more traction than a P285, given equivalent tread design and compound, so to go to lengths like this to fit a wider tire doesn't make any sense to me. The reason wider tires are associated with better traction is because they're heavier and harder to spin... not necessarily because they grip any better.
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I've heard alot of different theories about this over time and I'd like to know your take.
12-29-06, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by GooRoo
I'm cluttering up the thread, but do you have any links that go over this is detail?
I've heard alot of different theories about this over time and I'd like to know your take.
I've heard alot of different theories about this over time and I'd like to know your take.
If we could fit 335s we would run faster laps. Z06 boys are running 335s all the way around and they have less power and just a little more weight than us single turbo folks and I'd bet they'd go bigger if they could. Sure eventually there's a equalling out but 315 on a high power FD is nothing they have to worry about spinning. **** I couldn't even drive my last single turbo car at 14 psi without spinning through the first 2 gears and I was running sticky 285s and that's in a straight line. Imagine how much faster you could go in a come out of each turn with more tire.
However the street is completely different and if Rob's building this car for the street then he's really a wild man lol. On the street I don't like running more than 255s because you have to go too fast to have any fun.
12-29-06, 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by GooRoo
I'm cluttering up the thread, but do you have any links that go over this is detail?
I've heard alot of different theories about this over time and I'd like to know your take.
I've heard alot of different theories about this over time and I'd like to know your take.
The net friction force is the same for all tire, regardless of tread width, but wear is more rapid on a narrow tire. The main advantage of big meats is treadlife and the ability to use softer compounds. With that being said, I stand behind my decision for the same reason that Jim put 19" blingers on his FD ;o) Because I can....
If you're wondering why dragsters use such wide tires... It's because the swell-to-deswell change in tire diameter acts as a final gear reduction. There's also the issue of a different type of friction on drag strips which results from the stickiness of the track tires and road surface which creates frictional force which is to a large extent independent of Normal Force.
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