Is there anything else that can cause blue smoke to come out of exhaust?
 

I just had put in new turbos and rebuilt exhaust manifold day before yesterday and for the first start up today I saw light blue colored smoke coming out consistently for like 3 minutes. What the fuck can it be!!!! the turbos are brand new and the exhaust manifold is rebuilt!!!! I need to know what the fuck is causing the blue smoke!!!!!I spent 3400 dollars on the turbos and new actuators and everything and I still have the same problem!!! I have both of my cats off but is the exhaust light blue when the catalytic converters are off!!!! I dont know what other possiblites can it be!! I mean the oil pressure is normal and the oil dip stick reading is full so I mean what did I get a pair of faulty turbos!! :mad: :ar:

it could just be getting used to the new parts, or maybe it hasnt been started in a while...i dunno :(

Could it be the oilmetering pump or what?

Sounds like coolant Orings to me...
new turbos and manifold won't
fix that problem.. Only a rebuild
with new orings..

Lataz..

I guess next time before just guessing and spending $3400.00 you should take it to a GOOD rotary mechanic. Which we told you to do. Even if there is not one close to you, to have your car shipped to one, or to drive to one and get your car fixed probably would have cost less than $3400.00.

All in all don't be pissed because you spent $3400.00 and your problems not fixed. The spending of the $3400.00 was your own mistake.

I plus alot of other people have told you before, I recommend you take the car to a mechanic to get it looked at before spending any more $$$.

BTW your problem could be OMP, or O-rings in the motor like someone else said. There are many things that can cause your blue smoke.

I dont need lectures here, I need a diagnoses. These mechanics are good for they are licensed through racing beat. By the way its not the coolant o rings, its fuckin blue smoke! not white smoke. Now could it be that the oil metering pump is pumping to much oil into the combustion chamber?

Question: Why not let the "Mechanics Liscensed from Racing Beat" figure out what it is, since you're not going to be fixing it yourself anyways?


BTW, your motor has OIL SEALS that could go bad too..
Go buy a Mazda manual and you'll see.

It amazes me how you just spent $3400.00 on new turbos, on a whim that they were the problem(might I add you're pissed that they weren't the problem) and now you want us to guess at what your problem might be so you can waste more money on another whim? We can't tell you what EXACTLY is wrong with your car, we can only tell you what it might be and lead you to things to check out. Which we have already done. Anyone who can tell you EXACTLY what's wrong with your car over the internet in this situation is fully bullshitting you.

Buddy if i had oil seals that were going bad then I would be losing oil pressure and my Oil on the dipstick would be low, which means that the engine is burning oil, well guess what thats not happening to me. This is a brand new engine with only 43000k on it, so its no oil seals problem. And your remark about why i dont get a licensed racing beat mechanic? well they are, now what I am trying to say is could it be that the oil from the bad turbos may have access still in the combustion chamber and the access is just spitting all out? I diffinintly dont have a turbo issue because these turbos are brand new and a rebuilt exhaust manifold.

Man I really fuckin had it with you black 99, you should just fuckin stop replying man, You give no help but fuckin yap away with how wrong we are about things, fuckin stop replying man your completely useless:bash:

I think dontbearikki answered that in your other post and told you to chill out for a few days so if there is any left in there it can be ran out.

:bigthumb: Yep I am completly useless... I'll be back later to see how many other people help you out with your 45th post in the last week for this problem... :crackup:

thats not your worry buddy, sounds like to me your interested in the posts i put up haaaaaaa

i think he is just amazed at your entire situation.
btw....what black said about the mechanics....was taking a :stickpoke: at them ;)

:bigthumb: Again a great reply from you.. :withstupi Yep again you know everything, you even know where to find a "Mechanic liscensed by Racing Beat" I've been looking for a mechanic that's liscensed by Racing Beat for years. :D But it sounds like Racing Beat might want revoke that liscense soon.


BTW: Let's keep the flames to a minimum. You should spend less time worrying about my comments, and more time learning something about your car.

i think i am going to cry fuckin fagget

why don't u guys shut up,black 99if u don't like him posting,then show it and not reply,hey do u drive a 99 rx-7 or a 99 ecco[fuck the spelling]

Blue smoke could mean blueberrys....

Seriously, like others have said you should have properly diagnosed the problem before throwing hardware at it..

Here's a thought, how bout before poppin $3400 on new turbos, disconnecting the any intercooler hose and running it n/a for a while to see if the blue smoke stops....If it's still there it aint ur turbo's.

Point is, is that Im sure there are about 10 different quick and farely simple tests you (or your mechanic) could have done to better get an understanding of the problem.

But You went about it entirely backasswards and then "panic post" and then start cop'in a attitude to people who reply. Not very cool.

Anyway, best of luck tracking down your problem.

Sorry I didnt have the silver bullet your looking for.

Try revving the engine after it's warmed up to 4krpm.
Do you still see smoke?

Does you smoke smell like oil? (Just confirmation since the blue smoke usually indicates oil burning).

If it does smoke after the 4krpm test, most likely your oil seals (oil control o-rings) went bad or it could be the intermediate housing is worn out where the oil seals ride. You won't see any pressure loss since it's a very small leak. The oil leaks through the wear on the housing (or bad oil control o-rings) as the rotor sweeps across the intermediate housing. The leaked oil will get burnt in the combustion process on top of the small amount of oil being injected by the OMP. No real performance loss, but it's annoying to have smoke coming out of your car until you have an engine overhaul.

You can check your OMP for a possible failure, but I think if the electric OMP fails, you'll still have 50% duty cycle of oil injection. I think there is an error code for OMP malfunction if the electrical part fails.

If the turbos are at fault, you will NOT see smoke with the 4krpm test (unless it's real bad like my ceramic ball bearing turbo shaft wobble failure -- bad CHRA).

A compression test will not catch the oil seal wear since it really doesn't cause a loss of compression.

J

Alright calm down for a minute man. First, whenever you have work done on the car underhood there is a possibility of smoke from spilled oil or protective grease. Its entirely possible that there was some oil in your exhuast or in the turbo that is leftover from the install. For now I'd drive it around for a week and see if the problem persists, give the stuff and chance to burn off. I had my turbos rebuilt and the mechanic told me it smoked for 15 minutes straight while on the lift because there was a layer from the finish on the surface of the turbos themselves that needed to burn off. If thats not the case, and its not the turbos, it could be the oil control rings, which when they get old will not seal properly until they are warm. It COULD be the OMP, but if the OMP is broken (it will default to 50% injection at all times if this is the case) it will trigger an engine light. Don't be fooled by the fact that the oil level isn't going down, 3 minutes of smoke at startup isn't that much oil, and you could be getting fuel dilution. For now I'd just drive it around for a bit, and also check for oil in your intake, smoke on boost, and any external leaks.

Yeah I drive an "ecco" :D You're another smart one. Learn to spell and learn something about RX7's before you join with a username like that. ;)

You sound just like RotaryRockeTT either it's just a coincidence that you two jackasses are friends. Maybe jackasses flock together? Or you are the same person with an personality crisis.

99 you sure can talk alot behined that little computer of yours man, if I only knew who you are I would put a fist in your fuckin mouth.:D

Why'd you just now realize how much of an idiot you are? Or are you going to cry because you might have to get your hands dirty. Hopefully you realize that not alot gets done when you're...

a.) Crying because you "jumped the gun" and spent $3400.00 on turbos before you truly knew they were bad. And now the problem isn't fixed.

b.) Starting 45 posts about your problem before you've tried to figure anything out yourself, asking dumbass questions that could be answered with a search, and bitching because no one can tell you EXACTLY what the problem is.

c.) Flaming members who tell you what to take a look at, instead of actually getting motivated and going to work on your car.

What makes you think I done get my hands dirty buddy? I Fuckin work on my car all the time!!!!! man fuck shut up and stop coming in my threads!!!!! I told you to stay out and take your fuckin talk and give it to someone else who cares!!!! man your a geek probably an ugly looking one to. Ok mommy I will get my hands dirty, fuck man you dont know me and you say shit with no evidence to back it up, fuck listen dont come into my threads and give me your big talk. You think you run the show on this forum or something? telling one of the other guys on his post to do a search and shit, fuck you the moderator or something? go find another hobby man and stop coming on here and being so air headed.:cool:

Time for the Moderator to Ban "Rotaryrockett" this guy never listens, just clutters up the forum with bunk! I have the feeling this guy has been here before under a different name, and was kicked out then. If you draw a timeline of his posts, I think you will see it is all :bsflag: .

Many of us genuinely like to assist others on the forum, we may not always be right but we try. Lets put it to a vote!

My vote is to ban "Rotaryrockett".

And your little dog too (Kill All RX7's)

Ban me for what, so your going to support black 99 then hey, All I am saying is that if you dont like what I am posting dont reply, simple. This forum is for anybody to post a problem, people like Black 99 are saying that you cant post a problem that they feel is stupid, Listen Black 99 or anybody else that supports him, I am here to get help from this forum and If a question is not answered I will repeat it to get it answered. Now for people like Black 99 they should go and open up there own forms and run there own stupid rules. As far as I am concerned? I am hear to get help, and there are people I am sure that are willing to help. Moderators if you read this post you will understand why this flame war has started, and i hope you will use your discretion and not cut me out of this>

It just seems to me that you are looking for people to diagnose EXACTLY what's wrong with your car. I told you that can't be done. You have started sooooo many threads for this same issue. People tell you what to look at, because it could be many things. You then put new turbos on your car, that were installed by a mechanic I assume for $3400.00(better be for that money) and then you get pissed, and throw a fit in your first post about it. I tell you what it could be, as well as some other people do, and you get pissed again and say I am not helping. I took it for granted that when someone gives you hints on stuff to look at, you then go take a look at that stuff and try to figure the problem out rather then trying to have people behind a computer miles away figure out what the problem is EXACTLY. You responses have been less then witty and all you have gotten accomplished is flaming. Did you take a look at anything anyone has told you to check?


I couldn't care if you call me a ugly, a geek, a faggot, etc. Because, you don't know me, my personality, my rx7 or anything about me. I don't care call me all the names in the book just learn some fucking automotive knowledge for christ sakes. If you are so in to working on your car as you said, buy a Mazda manual(available at any Mazda dealer BTW) and go try to figure somethings out on your own.

I could have flamed you a hell of alot worse than I did, if I did any flaming. But I chose to spare everyone the cheap insults.

Look Black99 IF you have a prob! take it else where go put your head up your ass even further the guy is trying to get some insight on his prob!!! I myself have a smoking prob! but i cannot figure it out either!!! so whatever that case may be! you should just piss of unless you have something of any HELP to say just piss off and keep putting that thumb up your ass some more!!! you know it feels good! ALright i am tired of people doing this shit!!! he wants help just give it to him!!! if you can't help and have nothing to say that is useful (wich you have none EVER) piss off! and get a life!!! ok!

so black 99 u think i'm a jackass cause I gave u some critisism,why don't u give me your fuckin address so I can come down there and beat u like the bitch you were born from:mspank: :mspank: .get this through your fuckin retarded head DO NOT REPLY IF YOU DO NOT LIKE THE THREAD,what does it hurt you if the guy post a thousand post on a topic just don't respond,just look at how many u have posted over a year,that is alot dick face ,all the people in here can tell u are a imbread little hermaphrodite from pa,fuck off u little bitch:devil:

BTW, I am not 100% sure if it's a rule or not because it's posted at the top of this forum(doesn't say "rules" though I don't think) but before you ask a question, you are supposed to try and search for the answer. In short it keeps the 3rd gen section from being cluttered with questions that have been answered over and over again. Or even with just questions that have been asked before. I told the young man earlier to "search" because it was a question about 3 rotor fitment into a FD. This question comes up every week or two. I also though gave him a little info about 3 rotor swaps and the 2 different ways to do it because I have researched the swap, and know a fair share about it. Do feel like explaining all my knowledge every week in a different thread? No. And I would imagine everyone else gets tired of typing answers over and over too. So that's why I told him to search. I was in no way being assanine about it.

Oh and by the way that is why people come here is to learn about their cars from other people that is what he is trying to do obviously!!! so don't tell people to learn about mechanics cause you learn from others!!! and this forum is a good way to get it done!

Just my 0.02$

Not necessarily, doesnt sound like the coolant seals failure to me.

Black 99 just stay away from peoples threads if you dont like it ok, you dont run the show here ok?????? now lets call it quits here, I dont want to see your stupid comments on my threads again.:wave:

You have no idea who you are dealing with junior(sorry jimlab). Hey you tell me when you're coming down big man.. I'll listen for the sound of flowmasters on a fox body mustang coming my way.. :D BTW, Everyone knows I was born in a test tube... Duh!! You'll have to try better than that.

Again this thread is over and done with as far as help goes anyways. And he has nothing more than his own ignorant flaming to blame for that.

Bye Bye you wont be missed pal, stay out of peoples posts and suck some pppp man here this is a good ppp for you to suck:mspank:

You are right you can learn about working on cars from other people. Is this forum only for teaching people how to work on cars? No. This forum is for people who love the rx7 and the different forums are for people who want to talk about issues related to those model years.

And... There are people who know little about cars with what I call "mechanic ability" meaning they want to learn, and more importantly have a base knowledge of cars, and general automotive knowledge.

And then there are people who have no mechanic ability at all. Girls sometimes fall into this catagory as they usually never do car maintance or repair cars themselves. When these people usually get a problem with their car, they usually take it to a mechanic instead of trying to work on it themselves because they don't have the time to learn about autos and they don't know alot already about how to going about fixing them. And I think these people should either do research and learn about the basics of cars and for example what white smoke versus blue smoke is, and that a broken vacum line usually causes bad idle. Or they should take their car to a mechanic.

every body knows you were from a test tube, i think they mixed the test tube up with monkey jizz,trust me I could beat u down with one arm behind my back,u listen for my car that will be the sound of death heading your way.good thing u are leaving now everybody can be calm and not start these retarded flame wars,ahhhh back to normal, no more test tubed monkeys .remember black 99 i know were u live hahahahaha:devil: :devil:

Why am I leaving again? Because you guys started a flame war and want to talk about monkey jizz instead of having an intelligent conversation??

BTW, I bet you do know where I live because you're just that smart. I bet in a town of 9,000 people you know exactly where I live.

true enough but how do you expect people to learn about their cars if they can't figure it out! they are most likely depending on others who have had the same prob! and have fixed it to give them a heads up! a forum is a collective mass of different people talking and working with each another! so in both ways! the forum is to be used! as far as i see it! people that are trying to do things them selves get a brownie point people who can afford to bring their car everytime they need their oild changed! have too much oil!

All I am saying is if you want to learn how to work on your car and don't know much about cars in general at least take the extra step to buy a manual. He has asked obvious questions about which parts are where that can be found out from a manual. He spent $3400.00 on turbos he could at least spend the $100.00 on a manual. I and most of the people on this board have a manual for our cars. I'll be truthful I know alot about cars in general and I still need the manual.

Finally a person that get the same message across that I have been trying to get throught to Black 99

All I am saying is if you want to learn how to work on your car and don't know much about cars in general at least take the extra step to buy a manual. He has asked obvious questions about which parts are where that can be found out from a manual. He spent $3400.00 on turbos he could at least spend the $100.00 on a manual. I and most of the people on this board have a manual for our cars. I'll be truthful I know alot about cars in general and I still need the manual.


I am not saying that I look down on people who use mechanics, I know I can't afford a mechanic, and that's why I learned what I know now. How'd I learn what I know? My dad has never been able to afford a mechanic, and everytime he was outside working on a car whether it was 30 degrees outside or 80 degrees outside my dad made me be out there to watch/help. I also learned If I run into a problem or question I look at the manual or use a search button. If I start a post and get some people telling me things to look at, I say "Thanks guys, you're great!" and go dig into working on my car to try to fix it. I don't spend the whole day on here with a flame war starting thread after thread.

Yes i own a manual but sometimes problems that are listed in the manual obviously need to be fixed! so why not try and get the advice from someone who obviously knows more than you! it is called teaching/learning! it is something that goes on for a long time!!! and in my opinion is a good thing! But anyway Rotary TockeTT good luck with your smoke i hope to find the cause of mine as well! Black99 I am not trying to be rude but be a little more polite with your suggestions!

How the fuck do you know if I have a manual or not, your putting words into my mouth buddy, what are you the fuckin gene in a bottle? I have a fuckin manual, I think It would be better to come onto this form and have someone reply that has had experience in fixing problems, but I guess there are the odd rotten apples like yourself that give out bull shit. Now for the last time Black99 take your small talk and use it somewhere else, You just wont admit that your wrong and that is why your keep putting your self in a deeper hole, stop defending your self and take your knowledge and posted somewhere else and not in my fuckin threads.:fruit:

I am not polite? Dig up any of his old threads or any threads I post in and you'll see I'm polite.

I don't think he has a manual or uses it. In his first post he asked where the turbo actuator was, which can obviously be found in a manual.

i guess the moderator is sleeping ,yes ,free to flame away:bash:
any takers

Black 99 I guess you have no life hey? shit man you actually sat on your computer and dug posts that I had made a while back? wow man jeez alot of time on your hands. So what If I had asked where the turbo actuator control is, whats the harm? maybe I didnt feel like flipping pages in a manual, and instead post it on the forum, for maybe others to see aswell who may also benefit for they may not have a manual. Your hypothesis with this whole manual thing is getting old man, look that is why this forum was created man, do you actually think everybody has access to a manual? I dont think so, so thats why forums like these can benefit those people who may not have them. Were not like you claim to be, a fuckin rotary guru and mr no itall, bye black 99, save your self the dignity and stay out of the forums, or change your views, or stay out of my god dam posts.

Yeah, all the moderators are probably sleeping. It's 11pm in the west coast now.

No I didn't dig the posts. Remember they were just last week and I posted info in them to try to help you.

RotaryRockeTT, I will not try to explain myself to you anymore. You obviously don't see my point. Good luck fixing your problem.

Why do you still think I am leaving? I haven't received notification...

BTW, if there's one thing I hope you learn on this forum, it would be how to spell..