stock turbos max whp?
10-06-09, 03:26 PM
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The power expander looks a lot like an HKS downpipe designed to fit RHD rx7's, for LHD you aren't limited by space as much so sticking the largest possible DP would yield the most gains.
On RCC forum there's a guy making 329 hp @ 9 psi. Stock REW twins, all sequential stuff remaining on a street ported RE block, he's supposed to go back the 9th and try for 400 HP with more boost.
On RCC forum there's a guy making 329 hp @ 9 psi. Stock REW twins, all sequential stuff remaining on a street ported RE block, he's supposed to go back the 9th and try for 400 HP with more boost.
10-06-09, 03:46 PM
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I made approx 401whp (if my car were to be measured on a similar dyno to the one Rich ran his car on) at 1.2 bar with the BNR stage 3's run sequentially.
My car measured 340whp on the DynoDynamics brand dyno at Re:worx (British rotary specialist) in Portsmouth, England. I said initially my car made approx 401whp (vice 340) because, after asking around, I came to realize that the dyno I got my numbers from shows an average of 15-18% lower whp then the ones in the US.
My car had stock ports and MUCH more then just your basic bolt-on's when I hit 340. I'm just waiting to get back from the desert so I can get my car on a dyno to re-tune for American gas (used 94 octane in the UK) and get a print out of "American" numbers.
10-06-09, 03:51 PM
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my car made 360whp@17psi non seq turbos stock. Turbos didn't last more a few months. This was on a dynojet. My friend;s FD managed 396whp@17psi. mods were streetport, pfc, bosch pump, 850cc injectors, intercooler, downpipe etc....
10-07-09, 12:31 PM
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Sorry, but 408 whp at 14.5 psi with basic bolt-ons is about 10-15% more than has ever been reported for this car on stock twins with equivalent boost. Even with BNRs and the like, getting to 400 whp requires a lot of work and more boost than that.
10-07-09, 01:01 PM
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yeah i WANT to believe it based on his credentials... I WILL believe it when i see pics of the setups and a dyno sheet.
ohh and maybe the bosch dyno has something to do with it... not familiar with them at all
ohh and maybe the bosch dyno has something to do with it... not familiar with them at all
10-08-09, 01:41 AM
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As mentioned... most likely jdm turbos etc... higher octane. However, if boost is at 14.5 psi, the only other way they could have made power is to advance the timing or with a very good ignition system. Im curious as to how many degrees before TDC RE tunes to.
Also... sequential or non sequential?
"power expander"....... great marketing term for a downpipe
As mentioned... most likely jdm turbos etc... higher octane. However, if boost is at 14.5 psi, the only other way they could have made power is to advance the timing or with a very good ignition system. Im curious as to how many degrees before TDC RE tunes to.
Also... sequential or non sequential?
"power expander"....... great marketing term for a downpipe
10-08-09, 04:50 AM
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theres a lot of variables that will turn out 405 hp, the major one being the type of dyno thier using and the gas. there seems to be no secret addition he mentioned other than a midpipe downpipe ecu and intercooler and obviously jdm turbos so the 400 hp hes talkin about and that you're thinking of are two different things. the only way i can see stock twins doing that are
1. bnr turbos
2. non sequential
3. roughly 17+ psi
and imo running the stock twins that hard is too much if you want that kind of power get turbos suited for it like bnrs or a midsize single turbo
1. bnr turbos
2. non sequential
3. roughly 17+ psi
and imo running the stock twins that hard is too much if you want that kind of power get turbos suited for it like bnrs or a midsize single turbo
10-08-09, 06:13 AM
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Hello guys
Many PMs from you.
But most of them say 'Dubious'
This is my final post for this topic.
400+ RWD HP with
14.5 boost pressure
Completely stock turbines. SEQUENTIAL
but many intake and EX mods.
We can go to all around the world to set up your car.
We have visited Hong Kong, Singapore, Australia, Korea, Thailand and so on.
We set up more than 50 FDs every year.
Regarding the dyno sheet, visit Amasan's weblog.
http://www.re-amemiya.co.jp/diary/
but all are written by Amasan in Japanese.
Many PMs from you.
But most of them say 'Dubious'
This is my final post for this topic.
400+ RWD HP with
14.5 boost pressure
Completely stock turbines. SEQUENTIAL
but many intake and EX mods.
We can go to all around the world to set up your car.
We have visited Hong Kong, Singapore, Australia, Korea, Thailand and so on.
We set up more than 50 FDs every year.
Regarding the dyno sheet, visit Amasan's weblog.
http://www.re-amemiya.co.jp/diary/
but all are written by Amasan in Japanese.
10-08-09, 11:14 PM
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in the end its re-amemiya one of the most respected rotary tuners in the world, they've developed more parts for these cars than you could imagine, im sure they're capable of doing what they claim
10-09-09, 10:56 AM
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From the blog (October, 2009):
9 What are the specifications from the customers issue a fine machine.
And I was told.
Engine is normal,
Port with the polishing stage,
I took the counterweight to balance.
Eainteku is put oche,
F & R to change to 70φ Intekupaipu.
Polishing stage with the exhaust manifold.
A 265-horsepower turbine for use in OH.
Expander & Muffler is manufactured with 90φ.
FD3S。 The boost-up has evolved every year FD3S.
cut-up vinegar.
Torque output is 402 horsepower at 47.6 kmーvinegar.
From what I can puzzle out with google translate- they're using S7 turbos (265hp turbine), ported, Intekupaipu (which near as I can tell is intake, throttle body, or intercooler), exhaust manifold work, down pipe and exhaust.
9 What are the specifications from the customers issue a fine machine.
And I was told.
Engine is normal,
Port with the polishing stage,
I took the counterweight to balance.
Eainteku is put oche,
F & R to change to 70φ Intekupaipu.
Polishing stage with the exhaust manifold.
A 265-horsepower turbine for use in OH.
Expander & Muffler is manufactured with 90φ.
FD3S。 The boost-up has evolved every year FD3S.
cut-up vinegar.
Torque output is 402 horsepower at 47.6 kmーvinegar.
From what I can puzzle out with google translate- they're using S7 turbos (265hp turbine), ported, Intekupaipu (which near as I can tell is intake, throttle body, or intercooler), exhaust manifold work, down pipe and exhaust.
10-09-09, 10:35 PM
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There have been a number of guys who have made 400 rwhp with the stock turbos, but they have really been bleeding edge stuff running much more than 14.5 psi boost.
However, the downpipe that they show is really a baby expansion chamber and it really makes me think they can pull these numbers, especially since I don't know what they are doing on the intake side. That expansion chamber is probably going to scavenge the exhaust gases like on a 2 stroke motorcycle engine. That should improve volumetric efficiency, reduce pumping losses, and enhance combustion efficiency. These are key to me for my NA motor, but most turbo owners don't focus on this, since the air fuel is pushed in rather than pulled out...
Curious if the Inukai can comment on this?
Gordon
However, the downpipe that they show is really a baby expansion chamber and it really makes me think they can pull these numbers, especially since I don't know what they are doing on the intake side. That expansion chamber is probably going to scavenge the exhaust gases like on a 2 stroke motorcycle engine. That should improve volumetric efficiency, reduce pumping losses, and enhance combustion efficiency. These are key to me for my NA motor, but most turbo owners don't focus on this, since the air fuel is pushed in rather than pulled out...
Curious if the Inukai can comment on this?
Gordon
I've heard of users here doing that for wastegate efficiency but never scavenging.
10-12-09, 02:23 PM
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theres a lot of variables that will turn out 405 hp, the major one being the type of dyno thier using and the gas. there seems to be no secret addition he mentioned other than a midpipe downpipe ecu and intercooler and obviously jdm turbos so the 400 hp hes talkin about and that you're thinking of are two different things. the only way i can see stock twins doing that are
1. bnr turbos
2. non sequential
3. roughly 17+ psi
and imo running the stock twins that hard is too much if you want that kind of power get turbos suited for it like bnrs or a midsize single turbo
1. bnr turbos
2. non sequential
3. roughly 17+ psi
and imo running the stock twins that hard is too much if you want that kind of power get turbos suited for it like bnrs or a midsize single turbo
10-12-09, 04:07 PM
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From that bit of translation it is apparent that there was some balancing and maybe porting and polishing going on in that engine
So quite possibly the ONLY thing stock on that engine was the turbos. With injectors and fuel mods and RE pushing the buttons on the tuning I'm sure THEY got those numbers.
Doesnt mean YOU can... Unless you want to fly Inukai and his boys in to hook up your FD
So quite possibly the ONLY thing stock on that engine was the turbos. With injectors and fuel mods and RE pushing the buttons on the tuning I'm sure THEY got those numbers.
Doesnt mean YOU can... Unless you want to fly Inukai and his boys in to hook up your FD
10-16-09, 10:49 PM
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Hmmm... I had conversation with Ken from Shine about this today and had to read this myself..
I met Inukai and order things from him in the past.. But no way 1bar and 265HP turbo will make 400+ at the wheels with stock internal REW. Even ported motor, its hard for me to believe this as some ported engine with BNR stage 3, its hard to make 400+ at 1 bar.
Only way I could see them making 400+ on stock twin at 1 bar is if they put high compression rotors and tuned it conservatively at 1 bar to make 400+. But I wouldn't call that stock REW engine and its similar to how RX8 guys make mid 300s with 8lbs of boost.
Also, those japanese DP's aren't better than US DPs regarding flow.. So, I don't think it has anything to do with flow of the exhaust of RE-A..
I met Inukai and order things from him in the past.. But no way 1bar and 265HP turbo will make 400+ at the wheels with stock internal REW. Even ported motor, its hard for me to believe this as some ported engine with BNR stage 3, its hard to make 400+ at 1 bar.
Only way I could see them making 400+ on stock twin at 1 bar is if they put high compression rotors and tuned it conservatively at 1 bar to make 400+. But I wouldn't call that stock REW engine and its similar to how RX8 guys make mid 300s with 8lbs of boost.
Also, those japanese DP's aren't better than US DPs regarding flow.. So, I don't think it has anything to do with flow of the exhaust of RE-A..
