Sketchy FD for sale?
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Sketchy FD for sale?
Need some advice... (sorry so long...)
I found a red 94 R2 today for $20,000. The car has 33,000 original miles on it... and it's for sale at a used imports dealership. Absolutely stock, NOOOO mods at all.
I did a little bit of reading about purchasing FD's, and it suggests that I take the car to get a compression test, but the dealership is kinda snotty about it, and said that if I wanted a compression test done, I would have to sign a waiver stating that if any damage was done to the car, then I would have to pay for the vehicle, and would NOT get the car. (WTF??)
However, everything else is IMMACULATE about the car. Nothing questionable or sketchy. She's clean, free of any body damage or evidence of abuse. Only one previous owner, who they say was a doctor, which isn't too far fetched, considering the low mileage, gorgeous paint, (even for RED!) and condition she's in.
The only complaints I have about it, is since it's an R2, it doesn't have a sunroof. The wing is faded... but that's the only things I can find wrong with her! ...and she's red, and I haven't really ever wanted a red one.
She drove like a brand new car, though... she only had the 3k hesitation, which I kinda expected, cuz I'm used to my 3800 hesitation from my FC.
I got a bill of sale, just in case I really want to try to get a loan approved through the credit union, but I thought I'd get advice first from you guys.
Is this worth making car payments on??? ...even if she needs a rebuild in 2 years?
Thanks!
Christina
I found a red 94 R2 today for $20,000. The car has 33,000 original miles on it... and it's for sale at a used imports dealership. Absolutely stock, NOOOO mods at all.
I did a little bit of reading about purchasing FD's, and it suggests that I take the car to get a compression test, but the dealership is kinda snotty about it, and said that if I wanted a compression test done, I would have to sign a waiver stating that if any damage was done to the car, then I would have to pay for the vehicle, and would NOT get the car. (WTF??)
However, everything else is IMMACULATE about the car. Nothing questionable or sketchy. She's clean, free of any body damage or evidence of abuse. Only one previous owner, who they say was a doctor, which isn't too far fetched, considering the low mileage, gorgeous paint, (even for RED!) and condition she's in.
The only complaints I have about it, is since it's an R2, it doesn't have a sunroof. The wing is faded... but that's the only things I can find wrong with her! ...and she's red, and I haven't really ever wanted a red one.
She drove like a brand new car, though... she only had the 3k hesitation, which I kinda expected, cuz I'm used to my 3800 hesitation from my FC.
I got a bill of sale, just in case I really want to try to get a loan approved through the credit union, but I thought I'd get advice first from you guys.
Is this worth making car payments on??? ...even if she needs a rebuild in 2 years?
Thanks!
Christina
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2nd question...
for you experienced FD owners, is it more worth it if I continued looking around for a Supra instead? (I'm asking, cuz that's my dream car... the FD is a very close 2nd.)
I'd rather find a rolling chassis FD, and build it from the ground up to my expectations... but I wasn't sure if this was an opportunity I should pass up?
for you experienced FD owners, is it more worth it if I continued looking around for a Supra instead? (I'm asking, cuz that's my dream car... the FD is a very close 2nd.)
I'd rather find a rolling chassis FD, and build it from the ground up to my expectations... but I wasn't sure if this was an opportunity I should pass up?
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Originally Posted by adam c
Sounds like a nice car. Take it to a rotary shop for a checkup. The dealer is screwing you around.
Aren't they required to let me take it to get checked out??
Should they have a warranty, or something??
It's like they expect me to fork out $20k after driving her ONCE, and not having ANY proof that she's worth it.
When I FIRST arrived there, the owner of the dealership was the first person to talk to me about her, and instead of giving me info about the car, he had me follow him to the back to "his shop," which is a wearhouse where all the mechanics work on their cars. He did this to "prove" that they were a qualified company to sell me an RX-7.
He was pretty rude about showing off the "shop."
I knew more about the FD than any of those people there. Which isn't alot, since I just have my N/A FC.
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I say move on. Don not buy an RX7 without a compression check. What I do say is, you can pick this one up which is fairly close to you:
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=539978
I'm not trying to push a sale on you, I just don't want to see anyone get screwed with a $20,000 car.
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=539978
I'm not trying to push a sale on you, I just don't want to see anyone get screwed with a $20,000 car.
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Maybe you can get a certified mechanic with very good knowledge of the rx-7 go over to the dealer with you. And conduct any tests that you felt is necessary under the supervision of the owner of the dealership. It is only fair for you to want to get a third party's opion, right?
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Honestly, $20,000.00 for a 33,000 mile R2 sounds like a really good deal to me. Even if the engine craps out on you in a couple years it's only a $2-3000.00 added expense. Well worth it for a mint FD. If however, a Supra is truly your dream car I would suggest looking for a Supra. I've always been one to never settle and the FD was my first, my favorite, and to me will always be one of the greatest cars .
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Originally Posted by perkystina
It sounds like they won't let me.... unless I bought her.
Aren't they required to let me take it to get checked out??
Originally Posted by perkystina
....the dealership is kinda snotty about it, and said that if I wanted a compression test done, I would have to sign a waiver stating that if any damage was done to the car, then I would have to pay for the vehicle, and would NOT get the car".
Should they have a warranty, or something??
It's like they expect me to fork out $20k after driving her ONCE, and not having ANY proof that she's worth it.
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hey stina, it sounds like a nice car but a bit pricey. if your gonna drop 20k on a fd i would go fro this one
you should have quized his"qualified mechanics" about rotories. then laughed in his face when they choked
Originally Posted by gcbutter
I say move on. Don not buy an RX7 without a compression check. What I do say is, you can pick this one up which is fairly close to you:
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=539978
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=539978
you should have quized his"qualified mechanics" about rotories. then laughed in his face when they choked
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i would get the supra if its your faviort car. i mean it all really depends on how deep yor pockets are. do u want to have to drop a new motor in a few years will this be your daily driver ?. personaly i would never settle for seconds especialy i dont think its the greatest. JMO. but good luck on your surch for power and speed.
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Originally Posted by perkystina
It sounds like they won't let me.... unless I bought her.
Aren't they required to let me take it to get checked out??
Should they have a warranty, or something??
It's like they expect me to fork out $20k after driving her ONCE, and not having ANY proof that she's worth it.
When I FIRST arrived there, the owner of the dealership was the first person to talk to me about her, and instead of giving me info about the car, he had me follow him to the back to "his shop," which is a wearhouse where all the mechanics work on their cars. He did this to "prove" that they were a qualified company to sell me an RX-7.
He was pretty rude about showing off the "shop."
I knew more about the FD than any of those people there. Which isn't alot, since I just have my N/A FC.
Aren't they required to let me take it to get checked out??
Should they have a warranty, or something??
It's like they expect me to fork out $20k after driving her ONCE, and not having ANY proof that she's worth it.
When I FIRST arrived there, the owner of the dealership was the first person to talk to me about her, and instead of giving me info about the car, he had me follow him to the back to "his shop," which is a wearhouse where all the mechanics work on their cars. He did this to "prove" that they were a qualified company to sell me an RX-7.
He was pretty rude about showing off the "shop."
I knew more about the FD than any of those people there. Which isn't alot, since I just have my N/A FC.
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it sounds ok,, but if you want my opinion if something seems sketchy, which i know how hard it can be to not look past when you REALLY want something, dont do it. also i would not, no matter how much i wanted it, give business to a seller who is a jackass about it. the way it sounds, either these guys are just dicks, or they could be trying to hide something. honestly who would object to having a car they want to sell checked out?
i work around a ton of dealers, i have known a couple quite well. they screw people. thats what they do. if you know them well enough they will admit this to you! haha...not ALWAYS the case of course. i actually bought my 93 from a dealer and i am happy with what i got, very much so, but he did in fact try to screw with me a little. still by checking out the car i knew what he had better than he did.
get it checked. if they dont agree or try to bs you just walk. there are more out there.
i work around a ton of dealers, i have known a couple quite well. they screw people. thats what they do. if you know them well enough they will admit this to you! haha...not ALWAYS the case of course. i actually bought my 93 from a dealer and i am happy with what i got, very much so, but he did in fact try to screw with me a little. still by checking out the car i knew what he had better than he did.
get it checked. if they dont agree or try to bs you just walk. there are more out there.
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Originally Posted by perkystina
for you experienced FD owners, is it more worth it if I continued looking around for a Supra instead? (I'm asking, cuz that's my dream car... the FD is a very close 2nd.)
For instance, if all you want to do is run it down the drag strip; you can build a fast Supra much quicker and probably cheaper in the end.
If you just want something to drive around the town, then it just comes down to "looks" preference.
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Also, before you get too excited, see if you can a) actually get financing, b) can afford the car payments. Capital One is one of the few places that will finance older vehicles - most banks and credit unions won't finance a 10+ year old car.
Not to mention the rate for a used car dealer purchase right now is 7.39%, and a 60-month loan on the car is just a hair under $400 a month, not to mention you'll need full insurance coverage with a $500 deductible.
Don't get super excited about the car - make SURE you can take on the financial side of it.
If the car is truly in excellent shape, $20k is a little on the high side for the car. I'd say $16-18k would be a much better price, depending on options (less for an automatic, more for an R package, etc.).
The fact that the dealer is not willing to work with you isn't cool. They don't want your business.
Dale
Not to mention the rate for a used car dealer purchase right now is 7.39%, and a 60-month loan on the car is just a hair under $400 a month, not to mention you'll need full insurance coverage with a $500 deductible.
Don't get super excited about the car - make SURE you can take on the financial side of it.
If the car is truly in excellent shape, $20k is a little on the high side for the car. I'd say $16-18k would be a much better price, depending on options (less for an automatic, more for an R package, etc.).
The fact that the dealer is not willing to work with you isn't cool. They don't want your business.
Dale
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Motors dont blow every couple of years....I have a 14 year old car with 140k miles on it on its 2nd motor with only 6k on the motor....unless you put ~120k miles on your car every 2 years, ofcourse this only applies if you maintain the car.IMO comments like those are the reason FDs sell so cheap. Hell, if you can find another turbocharged car capable of FD performance for 15k go for it, but good like for finding a nice TT Supra for double that.
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I think 20K is a little high for a car in this area. If it were Cali. or FL. it might be a different story. Maybe $17-!8k.
See if they will ( or let you) hook up a standard compression testor and crank the engine over. Make sure you use one that has the shorter probe so you don't cause a deflection on an apex seal. It should read ~100 psi on each rotor, if I'm not mistaken. Also, hook up a boost gauge, start the car, let it idle and see how much vacuum it pulls at idle. A healthy stock motor should pull ~18-20 inHg of vacuum at idle with no electrical load.
Joe
See if they will ( or let you) hook up a standard compression testor and crank the engine over. Make sure you use one that has the shorter probe so you don't cause a deflection on an apex seal. It should read ~100 psi on each rotor, if I'm not mistaken. Also, hook up a boost gauge, start the car, let it idle and see how much vacuum it pulls at idle. A healthy stock motor should pull ~18-20 inHg of vacuum at idle with no electrical load.
Joe
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Originally Posted by DaleClark
Also, before you get too excited, see if you can a) actually get financing, b) can afford the car payments. Capital One is one of the few places that will finance older vehicles - most banks and credit unions won't finance a 10+ year old car.
Not to mention the rate for a used car dealer purchase right now is 7.39%, and a 60-month loan on the car is just a hair under $400 a month, not to mention you'll need full insurance coverage with a $500 deductible.
Don't get super excited about the car - make SURE you can take on the financial side of it.
If the car is truly in excellent shape, $20k is a little on the high side for the car. I'd say $16-18k would be a much better price, depending on options (less for an automatic, more for an R package, etc.).
The fact that the dealer is not willing to work with you isn't cool. They don't want your business.
Dale
Not to mention the rate for a used car dealer purchase right now is 7.39%, and a 60-month loan on the car is just a hair under $400 a month, not to mention you'll need full insurance coverage with a $500 deductible.
Don't get super excited about the car - make SURE you can take on the financial side of it.
If the car is truly in excellent shape, $20k is a little on the high side for the car. I'd say $16-18k would be a much better price, depending on options (less for an automatic, more for an R package, etc.).
The fact that the dealer is not willing to work with you isn't cool. They don't want your business.
Dale
Secondly, the dealer kept pressing the fact that it has 33k miles on it, and it isn't necessary to check the engine.
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Originally Posted by RedR1
Definitely keep us posted
(And of course for my MKIV... so PM me if y'all hear of any good deals!)
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Christina...get your priorites straight. 20k could be a down payment for a house. You could spend 5k on a super nice Turbo II and be almost just as happy. Or for that matter a really nice turbo 1st gen. I know im going to get chewed out since this is the 3rd gen section but anyway... insurance would be a bitch. Just my $0.02.
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