The Shop OVERHEATED my engine!
11-30-07, 05:33 PM
#76
i would say its the shops fault. 15 min of idling to charge the car is "working on the car" as far as im concerned. charging or jumping the car is also work performed without consent. plus 15min idling w/o supervision is stupid.. and is different then moving the car around the lot for 1-2 min. just my opinion im sure things may be different legally
11-30-07, 05:51 PM
#78
i would say its the shops fault. 15 min of idling to charge the car is "working on the car" as far as im concerned. charging or jumping the car is also work performed without consent. plus 15min idling w/o supervision is stupid.. and is different then moving the car around the lot for 1-2 min. just my opinion im sure things may be different legally
There are many things that go on at a body shop i hope you know. Unless its a one garage place, it does get chaotic so yes cars do have to get moved, plans change, people get mixed up, its just the daily routine any shop goes through.
IF there was ANY reason to run the car to complete this suspension task, it would be RUN the car to move it in/out of the shop...in/out of the shop is not 20-30mins 260 operating temps.....this only occurs when the car had a specific reason to idle (charging bat which i did not ask for)............on top of all of this, if the shop was responsible and did not FORGET about the car and took one glance even within 15mins or so of running they would have had the luxury of seeing the rising temps on my gauge)
And if the battery was dead, its just common sense to jump it and charge it to proceed with thier work, why would they call the customer and say, "o your battery is dead, what do we do?" Come on now, now if your car was smoking, then yes a call is mandatory.
Its not their fault you brought in a broken car, if it cant idle for 15 minutes and overheated.
Now if you wanna blame them for "joyriding" the car, good luck because again no proof. Did you jot down the miles?
11-30-07, 06:01 PM
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both sides have a good point but, it depends on what side off the stick your on.
the shop or the owner.
but it would **** me off they touched the car with out my concent!
the shop or the owner.
but it would **** me off they touched the car with out my concent!
11-30-07, 06:07 PM
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Here's my take:
If you decide to sue, you'd most likely be claiming that they were negligent in handling your car. However, in determining negligence, they will have to see whether it was reasonable for a body shop to start a car and allow it to run. I would say that it's completely reasonable, and if you asked 100 people what they would do, I'd bet that just about every one of them would say they'd do the same thing. The shop acted reasonably, and therefore are not negligent in what they did. You probably won't win.
If you decide to sue, you'd most likely be claiming that they were negligent in handling your car. However, in determining negligence, they will have to see whether it was reasonable for a body shop to start a car and allow it to run. I would say that it's completely reasonable, and if you asked 100 people what they would do, I'd bet that just about every one of them would say they'd do the same thing. The shop acted reasonably, and therefore are not negligent in what they did. You probably won't win.
11-30-07, 06:31 PM
#81
There are many things that go on at a body shop i hope you know. Unless its a one garage place, it does get chaotic so yes cars do have to get moved, plans change, people get mixed up, its just the daily routine any shop goes through.
And if the battery was dead, its just common sense to jump it and charge it to proceed with thier work, why would they call the customer and say, "o your battery is dead, what do we do?" Come on now, now if your car was smoking, then yes a call is mandatory.
And if the battery was dead, its just common sense to jump it and charge it to proceed with thier work, why would they call the customer and say, "o your battery is dead, what do we do?" Come on now, now if your car was smoking, then yes a call is mandatory.
ultimately it is their negligence that overheated the car
11-30-07, 06:35 PM
#82
Who said no one was watching it?
That wasnt stated, When they went back INTO the car, noticed it was overheating/overheated.
And i dont know about you but i cant tell if a car is overheating or not standing from the outside, unless you have bionic eyesight.
So again, not shops fault. They could be 10 feet away while the car was overheating, thats still attending the car. We dont know, maybe they went inside the shop while the car was running, we dont know.
But from your perspective, doesnt make sense to say its negligence because the car can be running with them standing right next to it, also not knowing it could be overheating.
If anything, its negligence on the owners part for not stating in specific detail on what to do, this is wrong with the car, this should be done or can it be done this way etc etc etc.
NOT SHOPS FAULT
That wasnt stated, When they went back INTO the car, noticed it was overheating/overheated.
And i dont know about you but i cant tell if a car is overheating or not standing from the outside, unless you have bionic eyesight.
So again, not shops fault. They could be 10 feet away while the car was overheating, thats still attending the car. We dont know, maybe they went inside the shop while the car was running, we dont know.
But from your perspective, doesnt make sense to say its negligence because the car can be running with them standing right next to it, also not knowing it could be overheating.
If anything, its negligence on the owners part for not stating in specific detail on what to do, this is wrong with the car, this should be done or can it be done this way etc etc etc.
NOT SHOPS FAULT
11-30-07, 06:42 PM
#83
lol
being near it isn't the same as "watching over it". what are some of the bad things that can happen to a car when its running..
cooling issues with coolant/oil
lubrication issues
fuel system failure
fire
if they're not putting themselves in a position to monitor all of these factors while they are running the car/the car is in their care... then that is negligent behavior.
being near it isn't the same as "watching over it". what are some of the bad things that can happen to a car when its running..
cooling issues with coolant/oil
lubrication issues
fuel system failure
fire
if they're not putting themselves in a position to monitor all of these factors while they are running the car/the car is in their care... then that is negligent behavior.
11-30-07, 07:01 PM
#85
lol
being near it isn't the same as "watching over it". what are some of the bad things that can happen to a car when its running..
cooling issues with coolant/oil
lubrication issues
fuel system failure
fire
if they're not putting themselves in a position to monitor all of these factors while they are running the car/the car is in their care... then that is negligent behavior.
being near it isn't the same as "watching over it". what are some of the bad things that can happen to a car when its running..
cooling issues with coolant/oil
lubrication issues
fuel system failure
fire
if they're not putting themselves in a position to monitor all of these factors while they are running the car/the car is in their care... then that is negligent behavior.
LOL you are still not understanding, on all parts.
First off, those issues can happen to any car.
Second remember the owner PULLED THE RELAY?? That would certainly prevent excessive overheating or if any overheating at that.
3rd, standing next to the car is attending it, remember they are "charging" the battery. I dont know about you but i dont see a reason why to be INSIDE the car staring at all the gauges.
4th and prob the most important. NOTHING was said to the shop regarding any task in specific as a precaution that should be done to the car.
Again NOT SHOPS FAULT.
11-30-07, 07:11 PM
#86
both owner and shop are at fault i just feel that the shop didn't take care of the car like they should have.
regardless of the relay, a good shop would never have let this happen. they assumed that car would be okay idling for 15 min. while this assumption/practice might be standard.. to me is not acceptable and is a foolish thing to do.
regardless of the relay, a good shop would never have let this happen. they assumed that car would be okay idling for 15 min. while this assumption/practice might be standard.. to me is not acceptable and is a foolish thing to do.
11-30-07, 07:17 PM
#87
Why wouldnt a perfectly running car idle fine for 15 minutes?
They cant act like every single car they have in their hands are timebombs, they wont get any work done and its a bad practice if you wanna talk about practice.
Like said many times, nothing was talked about the hiccups the car has, its only common sense to do the job that they are getting paid for, the suspension, not to inspect the car and make sure its runnign right.
Thats like someone going in for a 10 minute oil change and its their job to clean the engine bay because gee, their already there looking at the engine bay, they see if filthy, might as well clean it.
lol no
They cant act like every single car they have in their hands are timebombs, they wont get any work done and its a bad practice if you wanna talk about practice.
Like said many times, nothing was talked about the hiccups the car has, its only common sense to do the job that they are getting paid for, the suspension, not to inspect the car and make sure its runnign right.
Thats like someone going in for a 10 minute oil change and its their job to clean the engine bay because gee, their already there looking at the engine bay, they see if filthy, might as well clean it.
lol no
11-30-07, 07:23 PM
#88
that shop should probably hire u
yeah its not their job to do things like clean the engine bay.. but don't blow up the car? prevention for this ---> watch the thing while they run it. they are the ones that turned it on anyway. don't start something they cant handle
yeah its not their job to do things like clean the engine bay.. but don't blow up the car? prevention for this ---> watch the thing while they run it. they are the ones that turned it on anyway. don't start something they cant handle
11-30-07, 07:28 PM
#89
LOL still not understanding.
The car will blow up because their charging the battery hahaha ok man.
Wait but something is wrong with the customers car right?
O thats right, the shop didnt know BECAUSE THE CUSTOMER DIDNT TELL THEM!! LOL
Lets tell all the shops in the world to stare at the car like its a piece of ***** because something out the blue will break or blow up in front of their eyes lol
The car will blow up because their charging the battery hahaha ok man.
Wait but something is wrong with the customers car right?
O thats right, the shop didnt know BECAUSE THE CUSTOMER DIDNT TELL THEM!! LOL
Lets tell all the shops in the world to stare at the car like its a piece of ***** because something out the blue will break or blow up in front of their eyes lol
11-30-07, 09:36 PM
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12-04-07, 03:10 AM
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There are many things that go on at a body shop i hope you know. Unless its a one garage place, it does get chaotic so yes cars do have to get moved, plans change, people get mixed up, its just the daily routine any shop goes through.
Again, not their fault. You brought in a broken car then. No written direction saying this and this should be done. Its a body shop, not a mechanic shop, they are expecting working cars when they actually attend them, not broken cars unless its stated.
And if the battery was dead, its just common sense to jump it and charge it to proceed with thier work, why would they call the customer and say, "o your battery is dead, what do we do?" Come on now, now if your car was smoking, then yes a call is mandatory.
Its not their fault you brought in a broken car, if it cant idle for 15 minutes and overheated.
Now if you wanna blame them for "joyriding" the car, good luck because again no proof. Did you jot down the miles?
Again, not their fault. You brought in a broken car then. No written direction saying this and this should be done. Its a body shop, not a mechanic shop, they are expecting working cars when they actually attend them, not broken cars unless its stated.
And if the battery was dead, its just common sense to jump it and charge it to proceed with thier work, why would they call the customer and say, "o your battery is dead, what do we do?" Come on now, now if your car was smoking, then yes a call is mandatory.
Its not their fault you brought in a broken car, if it cant idle for 15 minutes and overheated.
Now if you wanna blame them for "joyriding" the car, good luck because again no proof. Did you jot down the miles?
If i didnt make this clear, this is a MECHANIC shop that does things such as build engines. The work load for their shop was low during the week of working on the car.
Its just so simple to check on my car every 5 or even 10 mins to see that it is running right after being started for the first time in 1 month
12-04-07, 03:18 AM
#94
lol
being near it isn't the same as "watching over it". what are some of the bad things that can happen to a car when its running..
cooling issues with coolant/oil
lubrication issues
fuel system failure
fire
if they're not putting themselves in a position to monitor all of these factors while they are running the car/the car is in their care... then that is negligent behavior.
being near it isn't the same as "watching over it". what are some of the bad things that can happen to a car when its running..
cooling issues with coolant/oil
lubrication issues
fuel system failure
fire
if they're not putting themselves in a position to monitor all of these factors while they are running the car/the car is in their care... then that is negligent behavior.
this is exactly what i am trying to say.
Its not like the fans not running is like bringing the car in with no coolant and forgetting to tell them!
The car is definately not a ticking time bomb without the fan fuse and we all know that. Who honestly thinks the car would hit 250F by charging up the battery for 15mins. And do you believe its right to run a car for 30mins in a parking lot without even checking on the gauges at all after starting it for hte first time in 1 month without even notifying the owner.
what if my fuel filter was damaged from the rear end impact and was leaking gas.....catch on fire?!
12-04-07, 09:36 AM
#95
If i didnt make this clear, this is a MECHANIC shop that does things such as build engines. The work load for their shop was low during the week of working on the car.
Its just so simple to check on my car every 5 or even 10 mins to see that it is running right after being started for the first time in 1 month
Its just so simple to check on my car every 5 or even 10 mins to see that it is running right after being started for the first time in 1 month
You're not understanding, how do you know they werent checking up on it?
Do they have to be sitting in the car the entire time? When i warm up my car, i do other **** while its warming up, i sweep up the area thats around my car. I fix the garbage bins, i do other **** nearby while the car warms up.
Like i said, you dont know what exactly happened, you only know the aftermath. They could have been nearby while the car was warming up. No one will know a car is overheating by standing outside. If your car was in tip top shape before you brought it in, then you would be right 100% but it wasnt so i know you're gonna lose the case if you try to fight it.
And first you said 15 minutes, now its 30?
12-04-07, 10:57 AM
#96
You're not understanding, how do you know they werent checking up on it?
Do they have to be sitting in the car the entire time? When i warm up my car, i do other **** while its warming up, i sweep up the area thats around my car. I fix the garbage bins, i do other **** nearby while the car warms up.
Like i said, you dont know what exactly happened, you only know the aftermath. They could have been nearby while the car was warming up. No one will know a car is overheating by standing outside. If your car was in tip top shape before you brought it in, then you would be right 100% but it wasnt so i know you're gonna lose the case if you try to fight it.
And first you said 15 minutes, now its 30?
Do they have to be sitting in the car the entire time? When i warm up my car, i do other **** while its warming up, i sweep up the area thats around my car. I fix the garbage bins, i do other **** nearby while the car warms up.
Like i said, you dont know what exactly happened, you only know the aftermath. They could have been nearby while the car was warming up. No one will know a car is overheating by standing outside. If your car was in tip top shape before you brought it in, then you would be right 100% but it wasnt so i know you're gonna lose the case if you try to fight it.
And first you said 15 minutes, now its 30?
as i've already stated they should told me "10-15" minutes, I dont believe its possible for an FD to overheat in 60F weather after only running for 10-15...it had to be running much longer
12-04-07, 11:11 AM
#97
It doesn't take all that long for any car which is not moving, to heat up. When I was testing the thermoswitch operation years ago, I doubt the car ran for more than 10-15 minutes before the fans kicked on about 221F. If your fans weren't working, I'm sure you could bring the car up to some pretty high temps in 15 minutes of idling, and then the heat soak after shutting it off wouldn't help either.
12-04-07, 01:56 PM
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if ur car gets that hot in 15 minutes...either they let it run a hell of a lot longer than that or there's seriously something wrong with the car to begin with
12-04-07, 02:26 PM
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I gotta think you're at fault here, man. Unless you told them flat-out "look, the fans will not turn on if you run this car, so please do not attempt to start it", then I don't see why they're at fault. It'd be like dropping it off without any oil in the car, not letting them in on that vital information, then bitching when it tore itself apart.
12-04-07, 04:16 PM
#100
And do you believe its right to run a car for 30mins in a parking lot without even checking on the gauges at all after starting it for hte first time in 1 month without even notifying the owner
gotta think you're at fault here, man. Unless you told them flat-out "look, the fans will not turn on if you run this car, so please do not attempt to start it", then I don't see why they're at fault. It'd be like dropping it off without any oil in the car, not letting them in on that vital information, then bitching when it tore itself apart.
Again, NOT SHOPS FAULT.