Ashkon

actually jim's information was the most usefull to me because of all the facts included about both of the cars..

Why I decided to buy Supra or RX7 was mostly because I could work on them and upgrade them where in a Corvett you can't do anything as much.

of cource I would also like to test drive both cars and get the feeling, but where I live, in Vancouver, both cars are quite rare!

let's keep arguing...

jimlab

So are you admitting that you're one of the dorks who has to make a big deal about the rotary engine in order to feel special about your car? It wouldn't be enough for you that someone might just say "nice car"? You'd probably have to put them down for not knowing how a rotary engine works or that it doesn't have any pistons (as if that would be useful information to the other 99%+ of car owners) and make a big deal out of being one of the few people "in the know", right?

Guess what... being fanatic about the rotary engine doesn't make you special. It just makes you a different type of niche geek... sort of like a Star Trek fan who might make as big a deal out of knowing useless trivia like the model of Captain Kirk's phaser or which red shirted crewman was killed in Episode 5... the only problem is, 99% of the rest of the world doesn't know or care.

rybrx7

i think its a myth that rx7's mess up half as much as its claimed, if you treat it nicely then it will be great

if you start modding the **** out of it then obviously the engine wont last as long.

but you seriously have to ask yourself what do you want more, a good reliable nippy car that ok to drive, or a car that nippy and is something you look forward to getting into everyday???

like i said before, having owned both within the past year, i would choose the rx7 anyday over the supra, dont get me wrong the supra is a very beautiful good car, but you dont get that same rush of emotion, that same collection of saliva as you drive about

i think the best thing to do is test drive them both, make sure you test drive a good rx7 though because if you test drive a mistreated one it might put you off

also stylings of the seven is much better, i prefer the interior, also aftermarket kits etc are more attractive in general, i just think its an alround better car, especially the handling!!

meddle

I disagree with this 100%. I think the vette is a better all around car. An if it within your financial resources(insurance too) to obtain one, I would go wiht the vette. There are numerous ways to take a vette. In fact, oyu have more options than the supra or rx7. Outside of boltons, you can go FI, Nitrous, or more cubes. Hell, if your crazy you can do all both. Not to mention having a car that looks as good as the supra/rx7 and gets 28 mpg.

jimlab

Rybrx7, I've owned both myself, and probably for a lot longer than you have. Your best piece of information was "test drive both", but you left out this part...

If you are buying a car for a daily driver, that will be your only form of transportation, absolutely must be a sports car, and you can only choose between a 3rd gen. RX-7 and a MKIV Supra, then there is only one choice... Supra.

Why? Better gas mileage, overall. Far more carrying space (try putting a 3rd gen. 5-speed in the hatch of a 3rd gen. let alone 500 lbs. of bushing parts). Far more people space (you can use at least one of the back seats in a pinch, which is 50% more human space than the 3rd gen. has). Higher resale value, on average. Better reliability. Period.

The RX-7 isn't the only car that can turn corners, and magazine tests aside, the Supra is certainly near or as capable, which has been proven time and time again. Most of the people arguing for "handling" probably will never take their cars to the track. In fact, given recent events, the chances are pretty good that they could be the next ones posting about the curb they smacked or the tree they hit while screwing around in their 50/50 balanced car on wet pavement. We're talking about the real world here, not about which car would make a better autocrosser or track day car, and even then the choice isn't necessarily clear.

If you absolutely have to bank on your car running day-in, day-out and want a sports car, and those are your only two choices, then there's no way that anyone operating on facts and not purely on emotion could reasonably or in good conscience advise someone to choose the RX-7. It may not break down on you, but the possibility is better than average, and it can't come close to matching the usability of the Supra in real-world situations.

If you're picking a second car for specific duty (autocross, track, drag racing) then drive both, do research on the available mods and prices, and make your decision. However, I believe that most people have to live in the real world, and even if you consider yourself a dedicated competitive driver, most people spend less than 1% of their seat time behind the wheel on an actual track and far more on the street. Bottom line, pick the car that works best for the way you live and how you intend to use it.

Rx-7$4$me

To feel special about the car? Your damn right. Just like if some v-8 nutcase came up to you and talked to you about it or asked you about it or commented you on it. Whats the difference Jim? your probably just as much a "dork" as everyone else when it comes to v-8s, or whatever you love most, its a simple thing even as you stated.

And when someone comes up oblivious as to what the rotary engine is, I simply explain it to them, and answer any questions they have, which I love doing. To ASSUME I put them down is an insult to me, in that you are ASSUMING that I am an outright ***** to anyone that doesnt know what a rotary engine is. Your ASSUMING facts based on someone you dont know, other then a few words I typed on a forum. If you knew who I was as a person, then by all means you could do what your doing now, but since u dont stop. Your telling shinobi that his facts are 100% opinion based? Take a look in the mirror my friend, but you also like to assume alot about people over the internet.

It provides a good hobby and interest just as star trek fans have. So in reality it does make me feel a special, especially being 1% that knows **** about it, regardless if its ASSUMED to not be useful to 99% of the people out there, 80% which of who are obsessed with v-8's. and those Star trek fans sure as hell feel special knowing so much about spocks three mechanical penises, so whats wrong with feeling special about v-8s or rotary's?

Jim, I didnt even direct anything at you, I simply stated that in my opinion, you dont get the same kind of pleasent confusion with a supra as you will with any rotary based car, but you came out and outright insulted me and assumed I was a biased *****. Way to make me lose MORE respect for you.

Supras are blown way out of proportion, as anyone could say rx-7's are. Its a different vehicle, with different qualities, some of which are better, some of which are worse, it basically comes down to what you like personally.

Steve

Rx-7$4$me

I agree, especially if you have no mechanical based skills whatsoever. You WILL put your hands into your pockets and find them getting increasingly smaller and smaller. Supra is better for a daily driver. HANDS down.

Can it be done with a seven?

YEs, ive been doing it for 2 years now. Have I had downtime? HAve I had problems? Yes, but the car was still drivable with the problem. Just not as fast with leaking boost

0110-M-P

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If it were me and I had 70000 US to spend I would buy a 1998 Skyline R33-GTR from Motorex in CA. Those are just as easy to modify as the rx7 and the supra but a million times more rare. Plus you get the fun of driving on the right side of the car

cabaynes

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my bud just did a lot of upgrades to his engine and when it's all said and done will have spent $10,000... and that's only about 1/2 of everything he wants for the engine... then, the rest of the car also needs modifying as well... susp, wheels, body, interior, etc... you'll need a lot more than 10gs to "max out" a car

Shinobi-X

Somehow I don't believe that, seeing at how it's an obvious attempt at mocking me, evident by your last comments directed at me in our last encounter, and seeing as how you quoted my words elsewhere in your post. Obviously in a thread where it was asked to give an opinion, I would share mine- but again, you have no evidence from which to base your claims, and furthermore should not proceed to make claims in reference to people you do not know. On top of this, where in this thread did anyone ask you your opinion, on my post/thoughts anyway? As you later state, you could have left my ideas out of your post, and it would have been just as effective...

If that is the case, then you can stop making statements that begin such as this: "It's my opinion that you..." If you don't care, then stand by your word.

Again, this conclusion is based on your flawed delusion. Like I said, I gave my opinion, and opinions cannot be wrong, based on their subjectivity. Looking at the initial post (which specified the purpose of this thread), very little of it was infered to be objective, or looking for a base in "fact"- example: "Imagin you had 100 grand." "You decide to buy a car either RX7 or Toyota Supra.." "Which would you decide? and WHY?" If you want to argue facts (based in reality), then the hypothetical presented by the creator of this thread doesn't outline it as the very best place to do so, huh?

...Then next time, don't take the liberty to make me feel so privileged.

jimlab

The difference is that I don't "love" V8s, and I wouldn't put anyone down for not knowing about a fringe technology that no one but a dedicated enthusiast would know or care about.

I have a far more radical system... I believe in using the best tool for the job. That's why it doesn't bother me that I will have a Ford differential in my RX-7, because it was the best tool for the job. It's stronger and lighter than the stock part, has a much wider range of available gearing ratios, and retains all the functionality of the original. The manufacturer is irrelevant; I would have used a Hyundai differential if it offered the same benefits.

The fact that I have a V8 and that it was originally made by Chevrolet are also irrelevant, except where package size and availability of aftermarket parts and knowledge was concerned. If Ford had the most compact V8 package with the other requirements that I had (including a strong 6-speed), then I'd have a Ford engine in the car. If V12s were falling off trees, had great aftermarket support, and fit in the space of a V8, then I'd probably have a V12 instead. There's no brand loyalty or "love" for V8s at work here.

It's a safe generalization based on the behavior of many rotary fanatics, and I use that term to mean someone who loves the rotary engine to the exclusion of logic or reason. If you're the exception, then by all means, accept my apologies. I asked (hence the "?") if you were "one of those dorks". All you had to say is no.

Well, let's get the important stuff out of the way first... I don't particularly care if you respect me or not, but if you don't, that's fine.

Second, based on your statements, it was perfectly reasonable to assume that you were like other rotary zealots who take absolute glee in the ignorance of the general population where the rotary engine is concerned without ever once considering WHY they're ignorant or whether or not they SHOULD be ignorant. Someone doesn't have to know how ABS works in order to be able to use it, in other words. And if their car doesn't have ABS, should they reasonably be expected to know how it works?

I was attempting to make a point... like the one I just made above. Is your pleasure in explaining the workings of the rotary engine solely designed to feed your ego, or is it evangelism of the rotary engine. It's one thing to spread knowledge because you're interested in the subject. It's another to look down on other people because they don't know what you know or hold it be special in the same way that you do.

Have a nice day.

Ashkon

Although this argument is somewhat humorus, I would like this battle to be about RX7 vs Supra then

respect and disrepecting
insulting and putdowns

I am pleased to say that there had been some extremely helpful tips stated such as jimlabs:

in view of the fact that this seized my attention towards Supra, I am very interested for an argument about how RX7 could yet bash the Supra.

yet to decide...

adam c

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I apologize for not making this lengthy. This should resolve the problem.

If you want a sports car, buy the RX7.
If you want a sports COUPE, buy the Supra.

Mahjik

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If you want to be driving and not wrenching, get the Z06.

adam c

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jimlab

Christ, here we go with the "Supra isn't a sports car" crap again.

spoolage

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if I had 100k, i'd say F getting an rx7 or supra and get a viper/z06/lancer evo/subaru sti

adam c

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Another reason that the supra isn's a sports car is that it doesn't have any numbers in its name. It is a federal requirement that sports cars have a number somewhere in the name. I thought everyone knew that.

Rx-7$4$me

lol

Ashkon

Is that true?

PhantomZX

You should drive both to see what you like better. It doesn't make much sense to go into a RX7 board to ask if a Supra is better and vice versa.

Drive both cars the way you want to see them perform, then do research on the respective message boards to see what the potential problems with both cars are. You'll have a much greater ability to make the decision that's best for you that way.

Jim Swantko

OMG... I'm in tears! hahahaha... too funny.

rybrx7

how about 20 laps in each @ nurburgring on the same day, that enough experience to be able to judge which one handles better?

and no its not a practical car! i agree with you there, but when i look at which car im buying practicality is last on the list, looks and perfomance are at the top, and i still say the seven is the nicer of the two.

yes the supra is an amazing car, yes i have a soft spot for them, especially the t-top royal blue ones, and yes i may even consider buying another later in life, but for the moment i would rather have the seven for the simple fact that out of the two you feel more at one with your car driving the seven. and thats a wonderful thing if your one of those people who LOVES to drive the car and doesnt buy the car just for looks and performance.

i still say your best bet is to test drive them both because of the simple fact there is reasons for and against both, ppl on here or a supra board are obviously biased, and you know what exactly you want out of the car better than anyone else!!!

johnchabin

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2003 Dodge Viper SRT-10. Wow.

$84,000 and save the rest for those pricey tires.

DaedelGT

I'd rather a Z06 iver a Viper.