a secound look i do see the nozzle. maybe the same car. it looks like the guy takes very good care of it. to me it seems odd the guy got into a situation where the much damage was done. who knows, i had mine out today and i know 20 degrees outside and 320 to the rear wheels makes for a slippery drive.

 

i keep looking, it is the same car notice the missing rx-7 emblem in the rear over the mazda emblem. it is missing in both photos.

 

ok:

A) it';s obvious there was severe rear damage, ala no rear plate cover, i could snap those things looking at them, i doubt they stand up to a crash of that magnitude.

B) you can clearly see that the place that the rear wiper connects to on the trunk is CLEARLY on the wrecked one, the wiper arm has been ripped off by the crash.

C) The interior he had in the car was only red carpetting, IIRC, there were black floormats and black leather chairs.

D) Now to everyone who says an ebay is a solid contract, then sir you must pay 17,500 for a totaled car....i mean you all stand by the point that an ebay winning bid is a solid contract that MUST be adhered to, so i say if you dont pay him 17,500 YOU are breaking the contract.

see if you were open-minded there's two sides to every argument people, sheesh.

kevin.

 

That is just fucked up! Poor FD!!!!
As for the auction. You won the auction and met the reserve. He is obligated to sell it to you. Read the fine print. Bids are binding contracts.
Now off course you are not obligated to buy it wreck because the auction represented it in good condition.
Basically the condition of the car presented in the auction is now different from the actual item.
Poor FD, it could've been saved...

 

see now there's a logical thinking guy

 

if he really did crash his car it would probly be in his town's news paper

 

The car in the wrecked pic looks like the same one, but it still sounds shady, considering the guy in his own admission to me bought it ONLY A MONTH BEFORE! The original owner of the car (I assume) had it in the Houston Chronicle only a few months before. Here is a copy of the email he sent back to me after I inquired about the car:

<----------beginning of email------------->

-------Original Message-------

From: Chris Andropoulos
Date: Friday, January 10, 2003 01:57:34 PM
To: LPJOHNNYBRAVO@EARTHLINK.NET
Subject: Your RX7 on Ebay . . .

Hi,

I came across your RX7 on Ebay last night, and I must say, it looks
absolutely gorgeous, best color combo. I have been looking for 3rd gen RX7s
for sale for a long time and I have a couple of questions for you. I noticed
your car looks awfully similar to one that was in the Chronicle a few months
ago:

'93 Mazda RX-7 slvr/red, 5 spd. 59.5k Pettit TKT perf cond, xtras, much TLC,
FSH $18.0k...713-504-7678
Location: TX Date: 10/26/2002
Source: Houston Chronicle

Is your car the same one as in this ad?

Also, I noticed your description says it has a new "4 puck racing clutch."
Is that a typo? If not, the 4 puck clutch is for 600+ hp racing cars only
and is barely driveable on the street, and that could be why you want to go
automatic! Well anyway that looks like a gorgeous car, best one I've seen in
a long time, I'll bid if I can come up w/ the money. Thank you for your
time.

-Chris

-----------His reply:

Yes you are very correct it is one and the same! I bought it last month and I love it to death. When I bought the car it needed a new clutch. The owner told me about it. I ordered a street/strip clutch but they sent me the wrong one. I already had the transmission out of the car and spen almost $100 to overnight it just to put it in while I had someone to help me with it. As for the horsepower rating. The clutch grips! I made sure to find out if the clutch would work in my car. I asked someone very knowledgable about it and he said that they last longer then any other clutch. Takes a while to get used to but it works! The car is amazing. Perfect in every way!

<---------------End of email--------------->

Anyway, I thought it was pretty shady that he was trying to sell it for $20k after buying it for $18k or less only a month before. Also like I said in the email, why the hell would you put a 4 puck racing clutch in a mildly modded street FD, even if they sent the worng one? Sounds like an idiot to me. This is too bad, I really wanted this car if i could've afforded it, too bad to see such a beautiful rare FD wrecked by a moron.

 

To quote from a posting in the lounge about a week ago:
"Empty-minded, more like."

 

If you look at the pics in the auction the car has red seats and red seat belts, also a '93 would have red doors as well.

There is only a contract that applies to both parties if the item is in the condition as when it was sold and as it was represented. Had the car not beed wrecked the seller is obligated to sell the car for the price of the winning bid.
However the car is smashed anyway so forget it. The dumbass won't get $18,000 from his insurance company anyway.

 

hmm ok well i know vosko is the one who told him a 4 puck would be alright, so it isn't his fault that you feel it is the wrong clutch for the application.

Donovan: hmm i swore the pics i saw of his car had black seats, but i could be thinking of the wrong silver/red combo. I don't know i still think he's telling the truth, he'd have to be highly skilled at photoshop to photoshop the license plate in there, and then add some dirt on top of it in PS.

also he said he paid 19.5k for it so now it's got me wondering since the original ad said 18k in that newspaper article, perhaps he is lying. only he knows i was simply trying to let you guys see the other side of the story and try to explain some discrepancies.

kevin.

 

Damn...that's one big waste of a silver FD. Jeezus...he was probably racing someone out in the middle of traffic.

 

Not really.

If you view EBay's Fraud Prevention Policy, it says you can retract any bid or deny purchase if they product is different in any way from the original published form.

Ebay isn't too open-minded about people getting ripped off.

 

Another scumbag to add to the RX-7Club Hall of Shame. You should let the List know about this as well.

 

maybe that's his punishment from GOD for trying to **** you over. It was a nice car though.

 

The contract was for the car as described and not as it ended up. If I purchased a car and then it was wrecked before I paid for and took delivery. Then that is just bad luck. And that is too bad. The complaint here (IMO) is not that the car was wrecked, but that the seller backed out of the contract. And if the "after" car pictured is not the actual vehicle put up for sale, then that is where I say there should be legal recourse.

 

I also want to add... Once you have made a deal - if it was good or bad, it is the deal you made and if you are a honorable man, then you stick by your deal. If the price was not as much as he had hoped, then it is his own fault for not placing a high enough reserve on the auction.

In my opinion, he is not an honorable man, but just another jerk trying to screw someone. And there are far too many of these folks running around.

Also, in regard to the statement that the buyer owes the seller 17K that is just idiotic. In such a deal, it is the sellers responsibility to take reasonable care of the vehicle once it has been contracted for sale. I don't think rolling it three times fits this description. So, therefore the buyer is released from the obligation.

 

Poor Silver FD. My favorite color. Keep looking and be patient to find the right one for you. It seems like this one wasnt it for sure. Its a shame because that car was a nice one for sure.

 

It's pretty simple: Some ******* moron got a sweet *** car that he didn't deserve and wrecked it hardcore. Whoever is the owner of that car should have his legs broken.

*gets flame suit on*

 

If the car is the same (between the two pictures), I can bet what may have occured.

1) He sells hi FD via EBAY.
2) He decides before he gets rid of it (via the sale), he will take it out and beat the **** out of it, one last time.. Unfortunatly, many people do this.
3) In doing step # 2, you see the result.

Mike

 

the crashed one HAD a rear wiper....base is still there...

 

the wrecked one *had* a rear wiper....but its broken off you can see the lil stub on there. looks like the same car to me, guy shoulda sold it.....now he's stuck with a totalled car. what does insurance do in a case like that.....give him bluebook value?

 

The wrecked car does have the rear wiper still. The washer/spray nozzle is still there, along with base of the arm. the wiper arm is broken off.



edit-looks like 8 people beat me to my post

 

hey anyone wanna trade me a silver rx-7 for my red rx-7 lol

i love silver better than red anyday... i feel like i am driving a giant used tampon.. all i am missing is the string.. lol god bless FD's thu

 

yea if you knowtice.. the wrecked rx-7 has a STUMP of a broken windsheild washer.. but also that car has alot of rear End Damage.. and roof damage..

 

You all have too much time on your hands. It's the same ******* car. Get over it. Not everyone in this world is a scam artist.