Powersteering Removal Kit
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Might be 20 lbs worth of garbage... maybe more. Hard to say on HP. Did I mention that I can change all four plugs now from the top, without removing anything significant?
Originally Posted by Flossing888
Just curious, how much horse power is recovered and weight lost with this conversion?
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Originally Posted by ptrhahn
Might be 20 lbs worth of garbage... maybe more. Hard to say on HP. Did I mention that I can change all four plugs now from the top, without removing anything significant?
I can change all 4 plugs in under 5 mins now
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Originally Posted by tt2323
Looped line here. Took it out for the weight mostly. AutoX? are you kidding me i would not think of autox'n it would be impossible! Good advice goodfella i'll have to purchase the loop. Are you supposed to leave the lines full of fluid?
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I've got 18's 245's up front. The steering effort is minorly more than before (to me) It sounds like the majority of the people on this board need to go eat some wheaties and get into a freakin gym! It is not that bad once you are moving more than 4-5 mph.
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Anybody know what sizes the three fittings are in the gotham kit? Also anyone know the hose size? Anyone use stainless steel braided? Or can you w/ those fittings? I guess everyone is still running a main pulley w/ two belt placements. Someone should come up w/ a single driven main pully..It would look a bit cleaner that way.
#33
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Originally Posted by RobTheBankz
Any one have a photo of what the kit looks like when its installd ??
And is this easy to install my self ?
And is this easy to install my self ?
You can also do it using the stock lines...just a matter of hacking one of them up, looping it around so it connects to the other fitting on the rack.
I used the gotham kit just cause it looks decent and its $35.00. The only difference is while not moving or rolling at slow speeds. Then again, i do have the new Falken Azenis 255/40 up front. I'm a small guy, 140lbs soaking wet and able to turn it no problem so dont let that discourage you. Once youre moving you wont even be able to tell the difference. It cleans up the engine bay big time and might free up some hp. In my opinion a good, easy, cheap mod!!!!
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Originally Posted by RobTheBankz
Any one have a photo of what the kit looks like when its installd ??
And is this easy to install my self ?
And is this easy to install my self ?
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Two things to think about (or dream) for those with money and time. First, they have new electric power steering kits, some of which are speed sensitive. Two, try fitting a manual steering rack out of a Porsche 993. They're the pinnacle of front end feel and they have a great manual rack. Not sure how much work it would be but I may look into it with the assistance of my local Porsche tuner shop (owner is a good friend).
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I would think that matching the geometry of a Porsche rack would be tough, and any "feel" possibly gained would be negated by incorrect geometry/bumpsteer.
I would once again advocate just getting a properly converted manual rack from Maval. I'm not sure there's any incredible steering rack technology that Porsche uses that nobody else does... it's just precision and the right ratio.
I would once again advocate just getting a properly converted manual rack from Maval. I'm not sure there's any incredible steering rack technology that Porsche uses that nobody else does... it's just precision and the right ratio.
Originally Posted by rx7tt95
Two things to think about (or dream) for those with money and time. First, they have new electric power steering kits, some of which are speed sensitive. Two, try fitting a manual steering rack out of a Porsche 993. They're the pinnacle of front end feel and they have a great manual rack. Not sure how much work it would be but I may look into it with the assistance of my local Porsche tuner shop (owner is a good friend).
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Originally Posted by rx7tt95
try fitting a manual steering rack out of a Porsche 993. They're the pinnacle of front end feel and they have a great manual rack.
Disabling the power steering by removing the pump does absolutely nothing for steering feel other than require more effort to turn the wheel. Here's an analogy: If I can speak in a normal tone of voice and you can understand me, then my screaming at the top of my lungs doesn't somehow increase your understanding. You heard and understood my message both times, one just hurts your ears.
Last edited by DamonB; 07-07-05 at 12:32 PM.
#40
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Originally Posted by DamonB
Disabling the power steering by removing the pump does absolutely nothing for steering feel other than require more effort to turn the wheel.
At very low speeds, it can definitely make the car more difficult to turn, but typically only in a parking scenario, where some people want to be able to crank the wheels lock to lock while sitting in one spot. It's like trying to push a non-running car around a shop; once in motion, turning the wheels is easy, even with no power assist. At 15+ mph, though, it's a non-issue unless you're on an autocross course, and if you autocross, leave the power steering in. It's as simple as that.
At high speed, primitive speed-sensing power assist systems like the FD allow too much ambiguity in road feedback and make the car too darty, or at least that's my opinion and experience. The car felt rock-solid after eliminating power steering and I'd never go back. If it makes parking a little more difficult, change your method of parking. I never had a problem.
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Originally Posted by G's 3rd Gen
Someone should come up w/ a single driven main pully..It would look a bit cleaner that way.
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Originally Posted by GoodfellaFD3S
I am running a setup like this---I am only using one of the stock main crank pullies (deleted p/s and a/c).
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Originally Posted by jimlab
You must not spend much time up around 140 mph...
Of course my car is also setup to take advantage of R compound tires but the suspension and drivetrain is still wildly stock compared to most FD's; tracked or not.
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I too just removed my PS with the "loop". IMHO it definitely feels much better. I get a much better sense of how the road feels. I will confirm this at Mid Ohio next month, but I suspect I will never go back. Over the winter I will do the Mavalgear upgrade though (for safety).
Issues about PS and parking concerns is similar to the non sequential vs. sequential debate. Change your driving habits and everything works simpler.
R
Issues about PS and parking concerns is similar to the non sequential vs. sequential debate. Change your driving habits and everything works simpler.
R
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Why spend money on a kit to do the job improperly? You're still pumping fluid back and forth inside the rack. Have a look at the thread linked below and give it a try. I'd be shocked if the FC and FD steering racks are different enough to have this mod not work in the same way for FD's as it can for FC's. This will decrease effort and reduce stress on the rack over having looped lines. It may be more work to do it this way, but it'll be worth it.
https://www.rx7club.com/2nd-gen-archive-72/how-de-power-your-steering-rack-right-way-440198/
I've changed my mind on the 15:1 ratio racks after driving mine for a while longer and having heard all this feedback from drivers using 15:1 manual conversions.
https://www.rx7club.com/2nd-gen-archive-72/how-de-power-your-steering-rack-right-way-440198/
I've changed my mind on the 15:1 ratio racks after driving mine for a while longer and having heard all this feedback from drivers using 15:1 manual conversions.
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Originally Posted by Black91n/a
It may be more work to do it this way, but it'll be worth it.
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=440198
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=440198
Good find!
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#47
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Originally Posted by Black91n/a
I've changed my mind on the 15:1 ratio racks after driving mine for a while longer and having heard all this feedback from drivers using 15:1 manual conversions.
1986-87 FC manual rack
Ratio: 20.3:1
Turns: 3.5 lock to lock
1993-95 FD converted manual rack
Ratio: 15.0:1
Turns: 2.9 lock to lock
The Maval Gear conversion is identical to the one outlined on the site you linked to, BTW. However, they go a step further and remove the fittings and smooth the rack for additional clearance for engine swaps, and by request, weld the FD quill shaft to eliminate the ~5° of free play.
Last edited by jimlab; 07-08-05 at 11:48 AM.
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I know the FC manual rack is a 20.3:1 ratio, but the power racks aren't. They come in 17.4:1 and 15.2:1. That's what I was reffering to, power racks converted to manual.