turbojeff

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Think if your cornering at the limit, on the street or track, either end of the mounting of the front bar comes off/loose. You now have effectively have a HUGE rear bar and oversteer is happening. With superior driving skills you dial in opposite lock but find that won't help, now your sliding off the track/road backwards into whatever.

It doesn't take a 100mph impact to kill someone, even with safety gear, cage, etc. Remember the two factory Suby rally drivers that were killed? IIRC they were going 80mph. Dale Earnhart's crash was equivalent to a 45mph impact head-on into a wall.

adam c

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This mount is supposed to add to the support of the existing mount...........right???
So, even if it does somehow fail, the stock mount should still function.

Has anyone heard of someone having a horrible crash because of a failure of the stock mounts??

We see so many bad ideas on this forum. It seems like anyone with a good idea really gets put thru the wringer before it is accepted. I hope this idea isn't scrapped because of too many negative comments.

mp5

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Why dont you fab up a engine shroud to get your feet wet,people will allways pay for a little bling,then move on to the specialised stuff later.
can I have mine in extra shiny please

GoodfellaFD3S

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Someone already did that recently, and while it looked very nice, noone wanted to pay the price. There is a thread around here somewhere.

TT_Rex_7

Granted its a good idea just not very smart. Theres alot of things involved with stuff like that. First off just think about liability issues. 1 his boss would be responsible for anything that went wrong unless this guy did it on his own time and showed that he was paying his boss, and his boss has it wrote down that hes not held responsible for anything that may go wrong. 2 this guy alone would be knee deep in **** if an accident was caused or anything else, granted it doesnt happen very often, but it only takes once. Then you have to think about profits and what not. Its going to take money to do prototypes and what not and I really dont see him making **** by offering them for 45 dollars, I actually see him loosing money. Even if he was making something, such a small amount of these would be ordered that by the time it was all said and done, he'd make back what he lost in prototypes. My father does alot of military work, medical parts, and does molds, panels, ribs, and DOT plugs for Bridgestone/Firestone and we have legal papyers stating that we are not held responsible for any design errors and what not. Turbojeff brought up the whole bridgestone ford thing and many vendors that did molds and stuff for the Wilderness series tires and got dragged in to the lawsuit and just about completly went out of business. So now think, how many people die in a tire blowout? How many people get into accidents from a tire blowout? Not that many, but it only took a few...

-Alex

Tim Benton

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it's all part of our "i'll sue your ***" mentality in America. If you make one that is lighter than the RB one since it is heavy as hell, I'll buy it, use it, and never think of suing you.

Tim

mp5

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Yeah i saw that but it kinda died..

zullo

To suggest that anyone should attempt, without due legal consideration, to market and sell a suspension device for a high-performance vehicle - using his employer's tooling - is a disservice and just plain bad advice.

Catastrophic failure w/ personal injury is just the most extreme example of many legal potentialities that are worth considering. I'm not a lawyer and neither is antiSUV. Lawyers are trained to know the law and recognize potential issues before they become a problem. Lawyers cost money. They make products more expensive.

In any case, given the very limited scale, apparent safety of the piece, and cooperative employer, it is admittedly unlikely anything with legal ramifications will occur.

That wasn't the original point, which was simply that consulting your lawyer and rolling those fees into the price of your product might be prudent.

adam c

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What a bunch of crap. I guess that no one should ever produce anything because they might get sued. With a mentality like that, 1/2 the small businesses in the country would never have gotten off the ground. Its a suspension support that acts as a secondary backup to an already existing support. Maybe antiSUV should sue you for lost potential profits if he decides not to make them. I hope you have a good lawyer

turbojeff

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Don't worry about the lawsuits, patents and any of the other legal crap people are talking about. No lawyer would go after you if you don't have any $$...

My comment to Art was pointing out that his experience was only one situation, it in no way makes a failing sway bar mount "safe".

TT_Rex_7

I'm just saying that it simply COULD happen. What I was simply stating is that you should have it in writting that its for "off road use only" and so on. I don't know if you own your own business or not but with jobs that could potentially injure someone its smart to take precautions. It's simply stupid not to. This guy might not have **** so a lawsuit would be totally pointless but to simply run this guy into the ground, but his boss might. This product probably wouldnt effect the suspension enough to cause an accident if it did come off, but as it does come off you could run over it with the back tires and loose control. No where did I say he should'nt make this part nor anyone should make anything that could potentially be dangerous, just showing what can happen if you dont take the right precautions. I make parts day in and day out that could kill someone very easily if it was designed wrong and what not, and I damn well wouldn't do it if I would be held responsible for any design flaws. Nor do I think anyone else with half a brain would...

-Alex

RTS3GEN

It's no wonder I seldom come on here and make my experienced comments public knowledge, anymore.... The guy was simply asking if anyone had interest in a better, cheaper and lighter product than what we currently have available.....BUT yet again the thread has been hijacked and turned into a naysayers ball of wit!

My response is YES, I have interest and like Tim Benton, I would buy one and not sue!
Art

4CN Air

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4CN Air

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With parts this may be true but you're trying to argue against market forces.

What we need is competition so that customer service will improve. A company should have to worry about keeping your business, not feel confident that they can lie to you and take their time with your order because thy are the only shop within a 500 miles radius! We as consumers allow it and excuse these practices because we don't want to **** off the companies and lose them as suppliers. It should work the other way. Hopefully this is one thing the RX8 can help fix.

4CN Air

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maybe we should shut down this board because the operators of it might get sued if someone follows poor advice listed on here

quit being the typical fearful American

TT_Rex_7

I think it would be a great product and would like to buy one myself. I was just pointing out I would look into it a little more and just simply talk with a lawyer and this guys boss. Other then that I think i'd make the price a lil higher just in case. I honostly just wouldn't want to see this guy get rapped into a whole mess. The only thing that I want to question is exactly what material its going to be made out of. I dont know what rb's is made out of but I would think they put some thought into their product to make it as light and strong as possible.

-Alex