Well, I have to throw my $.02 in here too. About 8 years ago I hade my 1979 RX7 stolen. It had a street port engine, Weber 48IDA carb, lightened flywheel, etc, etc, killer sound system, wheels, and to make it even worse, I painted the car myself. I put alot of time, money, and labor in that car.

When I woke up and saw it was stolen, I grabbed my gun and drove around for hours looking for it. I was so pissed, if I would have found the guy that day, I honestly think I would have shot him. For weeks after that I had dreams of finding out who it was, getting a van, kidnapping him at gunpoint, and pulling his fingers off with ViceGrip pliers. Needless to say, I nor the police ever found him or the car.

But now that time has passed and I have aged/matured, I realize it was just a car. I would never want that thief to pay for it with his life. 3-5 years in jail would probably be a fair punishment.

Therefore, I'm with daem0n here.

Anyone who thinks the two kids deserved to pay for it with their lives has definitely not fully matured yet; you guys have no idea what you're saying. I'm 32 years old- just wait till you're that age; you guys will all realize that life is short, you only live once, and you'll wish you were tighter with your family/parents when they were still alive, etc, etc. I love cars alot, more than anything, but they are only a single little object in a life of many other objects.

What about 12 years from now when people are all excited about a 2015 Dodge Viper and the FD is a worthless piece of **** that no one wants to be seen in? Are those dead kids worth it then? When they would just be hitting 29 and 25 years old??? Do you think anyone cares about a 1976 Ford Mustang right now? Ofcourse not, it's too old, just as the FD will eventually be.

So wise up. Be mad that his car was stolen and wrecked, but feel sorry for the boys that never grew up to be men. Like you guys have never done stupid things when you were growing up.

Just remember, I am speaking from my OWN experience of having my own car stolen; I never got it back and never saw a single dime cuz I had NO INSURANCE on it.

Anyhow, sorry for the long and "pissed" post.

-Tom

 

Well this the lates from the police to make thing worst. The kids didn't steal the car,the kids dad did. Ain't that some ****! Steal acar then let your kids go for a drive then the cops are after their *** when they didn't know how to really drive. I saw the pics, they are NOT pretty. I can't get the pics either(so far). the car got really F@8KED UP. i think the only i saw from the pics that I could salve was a rim.

 

It's not so much about the physical car being stolen. It's more about the theif also stealing the time, MY time, sacrifice, hard earned money, effort, etc. that all went into that vehicle. Days of dealing with crap, hours spent researching, mistakes made, etc. Complete disregard for any of these things, as well as how I feel when it is all lost, for the sake of a quick and careless joyride, in which they are so selfish as to not only wreck the car, but die in the process so that they can't be punished is beyond ridiculous. They very well got what they deserved, and it should serve as a lesson to others. It's not like anyone wanted them to die, but it was an extremely stupid decision, and they got what was coming to them. I have made mistakes in my own life, but I will admit myself, any decision I would make so poorly, that it could potentially claim my life, would not be a good one. If I decided to go ahead with it, anything that would happen to me as a result, I would deserve, including death. Don't play with fire, if you're not willing to get burned. At 17 you have the full ability to guage a situation, and make proper judgement. He CHOSE not to, met his fate. I still feel no sympathy for their deaths, and this is of no challenge to my level of maturity. At what age does a level of maturity justify a death anyway? or does it depend on the situation? It's all relative...

Exactly.

 

Tom's right on the money

The rest of you guys are huge dicks.

These kids were 13 and 17. Just starting their lives. They should of gone to jail yes, but having their lives lost because of a stupid, childish act is just wrong and they certainly did not deserve what they got.

 

I think the real 'dicks' were the ones who lost their lives through poor decision. In some states, you can be charged as an adult at 17. Just starting their lives is BS. The 13 yr old maybe (what was his excuse? I'm sure if they had killed an inocent family in the process it would have been different?), but sure as hell not the 17 yr old. You play with fire, prepare to get burned.

 

Tom - really well said.

As for the rest that keep posting about these kids. Did you guys read hondasr4kids' last post? That pretty much answers everything. Maybe this doesn't answer the debate of people who steal deserve what they get, etc. But now we know that these kids didn't even steal the car...or not knowingly anyway. So did they deserve to die now?

 

At the ripe age of 35 I have two observations to make:

1. A 13 or 17 year old is NOT capable of making rational decisions all the time (especially when it comes to cars).

2. A 13 and 17 year old will, at least on some level want to be just like their Dad.

The finger should be pointed squarely at the father, whether he was the one who stole it or not.

 

Actually I missed it. But under what we thought was the previous situation, I still stand by what I said. As for the Father, it's generally accepted that he is an ***, and is more in the wrong that both the kids.

And at 17, if you are unable to grab the basic concept of what is right and wrong, you SERIOUSLY need to reevaluate your life.

 

Shinobi-X,

Maybe we should round up all the kids who stole cars and didn't die in an accident and put them in front of a firing squad. That'll teach them. In fact, maybe we could knock some sense into all the young offenders out there and just gas the jeuvenile detention facitlities across the country.

Anyone who says that these kids deserved to die has got their own issues of what is right and wrong.

 

Interesting.

Question for those of you that believe death is appropriate retribution for stealing an FD and taking a joy ride...

The next time you are speeding and you accidently kill someone else or yourself, should I:

a) put on a worn, tattered, and entirely ******* overused "holier than thou" hat and express my limited knowledge of natural selection as if it were the written word of God;

b) lamely argue that the ability to distinguish right and wrong always results in a corresponding decrease in risk-taking behavior;

c) make the classic mistake of assuming that everyone else also grew up with a TV, food on the table, and parents who wiped my ***, and expect that everyone else will behave according to my view of the world;

or
d) (my favorite) express concern that another irreplaceable FD is gone and that you deserved to die because you should have been aware of the consequences.

I don't normally get drawn into these debates, but I'm really shocked at how callous some of these posts are. Sorry for sucking bandwidth...

 

I guess I need to spell it out for some people:

-at 17 years old, yes, ofcourse, you do know exactly what it right and what is wrong
-at 17 years old, there is still a high production of testosterone that makes you like the thrill of doing something that is bad and/or wrong
-at 17 years old, your mind is not fully matured
-at 17 years old, you are still too young to realize the value of life and that is not really that long; alot of people die in their 40's and 50's.

Why do you think teenagers and guys in their early 20's gang bang and play with guns? Are we saying that they don't know it's wrong? Ofcourse not. Even a 10 year old knows stealing is bad.

Obviously, whoever does not agree with me and realize they did NOT deserve to die, even if they had been the ones who stole it (even if it was not their dad), then it's a plain-as-day sign that you are still a child yourself. But prove it to yourself- why don't you do you own little survey of adults who are over 35. Ask them if they think someone deserves to die for stealing a car.

Case dismissed.

-Tom

Oh yeah, phlanigan made a great point. So all of you who "are over 17 and old enough to know right from wrong", you better have a spotless fuggin driving record with no speeding tickets cuz every time you speed, you could potentially cause an accident and kill someone.

Once again, sometimes doing what's wrong/bad is what we humans consider fun and exciting. 3-5 years in jail is definitely a more-than-fair price for someone to pay for stealing a pride and joy car.

 

I could play the sarcasm game too, but I won't waste my time. My point is, if you play with fire, prepare to get burned. Whenever you commit an action this stupid, you should be prepared for ALL the consequences. Their fate was death, and it was their doing. If you feel sympathy for them, fine, but don't try to belittle my, and other peoples opinion because it is in contrast to your own.

phlanigan,
You neglected to add one important component to your question. If I am going to speed, I will not be doing so where I can put other lives in danger. If I am speeding, I am fully aware of what can happen to me. Therefore, I take the risk of the worst case scenario happening. If I die in the process, I expect no one to feel sorry for me, as it was a risk I willingly took, and paid for. If you are not willing to suffer the consequences of your actions, simply don't do them.

 

So where's the pics already?!

 

Fact: a car was stolen and wrecked
Fact: it was wrong (has nothing to do with age/maturity,sex,religion, culture or race)
Fact: 2 people die
Fact: Mazda thef deterent system SUCKS!!!
Opinion: deserve to die or not
Feel: happy, sad or nothing at all that they die
You can't argue opinions or feelings since they are subjective matters.
If we don't agree, does not means you are wrong and I am right or you are mature and I am not.
That is why judges instruct the jury to base their desicions on the FACTS presented and to keep an opend mind without prejudging until they have heard the entire evidence.
As for my opinion they did not deserve to die and since I don't know them I feel nothing for them(nor happy or sad).

 

Fact: a car was stolen and wrecked
Fact: it was wrong (has nothing to do with age/maturity,sex,religion, culture or race)
Fact: 2 people die
Fact: Mazda thef deterent system SUCKS!!!
Opinion: deserve to die or not
Feel: happy, sad or nothing at all that they die
You can't argue opinions or feelings since they are subjective matters.
If we don't agree, does not means you are wrong and I am right or you are mature and I am not.
That is why judges instruct the jury to base their desicions on the FACTS presented and to keep an opend mind without prejudging until they have heard the entire evidence.
As for my opinion they did not deserve to die and since I don't know them I feel nothing for them(nor happy or sad).

 

Fact: a car was stolen and wrecked
Fact: it was wrong (has nothing to do with age/maturity,sex,religion, culture or race)
Fact: 2 people die
Fact: Mazda thef deterent system SUCKS!!!
Opinion: deserve to die or not
Feel: happy, sad or nothing at all that they die
You can't argue opinions or feelings since they are subjective matters.
If we don't agree, does not means you are wrong and I am right or you are mature and I am not.
That is why judges instruct the jury to base their desicions on the FACTS presented and to keep an opend mind without prejudging until they have heard the entire evidence.
As for my opinion they did not deserve to die and since I don't know them I feel nothing for them(nor happy or sad).

 

Sorry for the triple post the computer is acting on me or is it the server.
Sorry again.

 

I think we should close this thread. It's sick to say two kids deserve to die. I don't condone their behavior, but come on people...

 

SORRY TO HEAR ABOUT YOUR CAR UNFORTUNATLY I KNOW THE FEELING GOOD LUCK ON YOUR NEXT