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Old 12-08-03, 02:01 PM
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Okay need more Help, Car wont fire! Thanks

Okay I just got done replacing the key ignition as mentioned in a prior post. The only thing the car is doing right now is cranking, so I went to check the spark plug wires for spark, nothing, no spark on any of the lines. The ecu is plugged properly and it appears all connections are intact within the cab. So I am guessing something is faulty or umplugged from the key ignition to the wires, maybe a bad coil pack ,
But in order to check the coil packs it is going to be a pain cuz the intake manifold covers the whole top of the engine making it impossible to see or get to. I haven't got the manual yet for instructions but am anxious to begin fixing, but it shouldn't be that hard to take the intake off, right?? I thought I'd ask for help first and begin later. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

A friend of mine who has rebuilt rotary's said its unlikely the coil packs will go out, very rare, he tells me.

The engine overall sounds like it has good compression, which I will be verifiying shortly with the proper equipment.

Thanks again guys.

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Did you replace the engine?

There is a ground point for the coil pack; also a connector to the harness on the driver side near the battery.
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Well actually I just picked the car from an auction, just going through the steps of getting it running, and seeing if the engine is still good.

Thanks for the info. I'll trace the wires again, and go off that information for now. Thanks for your help.
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Okay checked all the connections seems to be alright. So what do you guys think then is it just a bad coil pack. Could it be anything else.. Could any relay or fuse cause the ignition not to produce a spark. It seems like I'm gonna have take the intake off, to get a better visual.
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You bet there are fuse that if blown will not allow the car to start.

http://www.iluvmyrx7.com/3rd_gen_manuals.htm

Grab a manual and start checking the fuses. There is a section in the manual about troubleshooting starting problems (coils, igniter, etc).
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On a theft car I always assume that it was a running car before it was stolen. If it was stripped then the problem lies with a missing or damaged part. I'd check the fuses, coils, ignition wiring, etc.

FDs are actually pretty plug and play as far as starting goes. I've never had a problem starting one as long as everything is plugged in correctly.
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Originally posted by Mahjik
You bet there are fuse that if blown will not allow the car to start.

http://www.iluvmyrx7.com/3rd_gen_manuals.htm

Grab a manual and start checking the fuses. There is a section in the manual about troubleshooting starting problems (coils, igniter, etc).
It didn't work the first time, but now that it does all I can say is BAd ***.
Well that site is awesome. It covers just about everything I would want to know about our FD.. After reading all the info I think I will have a better idea of what I can and can't do. I can't thank you enough for that link, and also the creator of it.....
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You would think that was the case, but half the time they are insurance frauds , for who knows what reasons . But it seems I might have lucked out this time thank god.

Originally posted by turbojeff
On a theft car I always assume that it was a running car before it was stolen. If it was stripped then the problem lies with a missing or damaged part. I'd check the fuses, coils, ignition wiring, etc.

FDs are actually pretty plug and play as far as starting goes. I've never had a problem starting one as long as everything is plugged in correctly.
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Okay ran through all the steps, it is now 4 months later hehe :cry: and still haven't fixed it. I've tried absolutely everything still no spark, there is power on the plugs that go into the ignition pack, and it seems that all the connections are good, all fuses and relays checked tested and functional but no juice in the spark plug outlet into the ignition wires and plugs. The ignition switch cranks the starter as should. Ignitor replaced, ecu lines checked. Still nothing. I'm beginning to wonder if I should leave it in somebody elses hands who may have more experience in that area. Any suggestion of course would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks again,
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crank pick ups
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Originally posted by mad_7tist
crank pick ups
I assume your referring to the crank angle sensors, yep I checked for power at the cas's and there was 11-12 volts on the wires. I'm stumped. I about ripped half the engine apart trying and hoping that I might come across the problem. I mean how many parts could be involved in producing a spark. Not like the old days with distributors, distributorless ignition systems are so damn complex its crazy. And to think they made them so they would be less complex
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i was more interested in the tangs on the crank if they are ok and not bent. did you pull the condesor wire when you were doing the igniter on accident it is right there
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hmm I don't know any Idea on what the color code is for the condensor wire, the only wires I found on the ignitor was the one single plug, and then a bunch of wires for the alarm that were plugged into the ignitor wires. The ignitor aint to user friendly when it comes to digin that btch outta there.
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Hey, when you mean not fire. Do you mean the engine wont turn over??? You get accessorie power but the engine wont engage??
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it's black with white stripe
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Originally posted by spoolage
Hey, when you mean not fire. Do you mean the engine wont turn over??? You get accessorie power but the engine wont engage??
No I mean the engine will turn over, but the coil packs won't throw out a spark.
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Originally posted by mad_7tist
it's black with white stripe
Thanks for your help I'm gonna check and see if I overlooked that, I'm hoping it was something simple like that but you never know.
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