mr rxeven

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Today MAZDA is celebrating it's 100th anniversary 30/1/2020 so on this very special day i hope to turn my idea that i have been thinking about for the last year into reality but i need help.
I have invented a new type of rotary engine / electric range extender that MAYBE is more fuel efficient and MAYBE more powerful / stronger with added sealing that can use gasoline / petrol compression ignition and also run on diesel and other fuels. I will use the word MAYBE a lot because i don't know if all the idea's i have will work.
But if i don't try i will never know. The prototype can be built using a rotary engine that has been HEAVILY HEAVILY HEAVILY MODIFIED.
I use the word HEAVILY 3 times because the idea's are way out of the box of thinking. And i have not seen these idea's used so far. so here are a few questions i could use some help on.
First can you legally use MAZDA'S size shape dimensions intellectual property / trademarks / copyrights / patents of their rotary engine and modify their parts so it looks and works completely different and call it your own idea , or say if X part is 80mm from MAZDA and you make yours 85mm is that legal.
Do people or companies who are machining billet plates have to have a license from Mazda to make their own parts, same size plates that bolt to Mazda housings but with a few of there own idea's. is that legal
If i had the money or won tattslotto the engine would be built and with a patent. But life throws some of us a bit or a lot more then others.
So the BIG HURDLE IS MONEY, I can put X amount of thousands of dollars into it myself but i can't fund the prototype engine / patent all by myself.
So how do you raise money to get a patent to protect your idea's and build the engine if you can't say or show the idea's
without someone stealing the idea's and making it themselves. How do you get partners to help fund the needed capital without telling or showing your idea's.
I don't know how GOFUNDME or CROWDSOURCING or PATREON work, can you just say an idea without going into all the details and raise the capital that way and can said capital be used to get a patent for your idea.
I would like to build the prototype engine myself out of used or broken / damaged parts first to workout any bugs and save money. You may have parts laying around that you don't use or need and are willing to donate / sell very cheap ship / post very cheap ie used plates, rotors, housings, stationary gears, eccentric shafts,seals oil pumps, chains and so on.
the idea is first build the prototype out of used parts, then out of a new fd rew engine, then out of billet aluminum.
I would like to show the build from start to finish on youtube once i have a patent, to share the journey with all around the world who love the amazing unique sound and power of a rotary engine built in a new way.
So if you can help with any idea's on whats asked above or can help donate / sell used, broken, worn parts or share this post with others in the 1st and 2nd gen forum and old school forum or Rotary shops and other forums like nopistons fd-rx7 forum rx8 club facebook instragram twitter that would be much appreciated
I apologise for any spelling or punctuation mistakes for writing is not my strong suit i much prefer working with my head and hands.
I am just a guy who loves MAZDA'S who owns a FD RX7 who's MAD about ROTARY'S that has a few idea's and wants to try them out and if they work great and if they don't they don't. I might be laugh at and might feel like a fool, but i would be a bigger fool for not trying.
Thank you
Ian.
PS if any Mazda, Billionaires, Millionaires, Bezos, Gates, Bransons, Musks, Murdoch, Ma, Google, Apple, youtube Rotary shops, individuals, ect ect want to PM me my inbox is waiting.

Mrmatt3465

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TwinCharged RX7

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Wow

fendamonky

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Sooo..... you want us to give you money because you had a thought about how you could reuse OEM mazda parts to make a better engine?

I'm confused.

gmonsen

Getting a patent is a long and expensive process that often doesn't result in getting a patent. I spent about $300,000 back in maybe 2004-2005 on a patent and never got it. You have to prove utility and novelty and something else.

I suspect getting money online through gofundme tyope sources may be your best bet. People seem to be willing to fund just about anything.

People in the rotary community are not going to fund you unless you provide them with some detailed information and a plan. You'll want them to sign some form of non-disclosure and non-circumvention agreement to share the idea with them. It would also help if you got a recognized rotary guru or two on board as advisors and have them opine on the idea to people.

Good luck.

TRRAPLN

A patent is only worth the amount of money you are willing to spend in order to defend it.

arghx

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Mazda only plans to put a rotary in a low volume range extender in Europe. It's basically been doomed to compliance cars. There have been many many failed combustion engine startups that never went anywhere. Ecomotors? Liquid Piston? blah blah...

Enjoy the classic rotaries and acknowledge that the newer cars are going to be more like a Tesla product than an FD.

scotty305

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To answer some of your original questions, I doubt the aftermarket rotary engine parts manufacturers have contacted Mazda to ask permission to build replacement parts. It's such a small market compared to Mazda's core business, it would be very unlikely for Mazda corporate to notice or care.

Regarding funding, you will need to build a better presentation if you are serious about wanting people to donate to your project. There are exceptions to every rule, but most people who can design and build complex mechanical things are also able to clearly express their thoughts in writing. And a much more professional presentation if you're serious about trying to find investors (people who will make you sign a contract and expect to get paid in the future if your product becomes successful). I work for a company that builds and sells things, and I can guarantee that your post would not be taken seriously by any of the decision-makers I know.

If you don't already have some sort of qualifications like an engineering degree or a successful manufacturing business to show that people should trust your word when you say 'I promise I have a good idea', you will need to build a good proof-of-concept to demonstrate that your idea can work. Then take a video showing that your idea works, pictures are too easy to edit and fake. Proof-of-concept prototypes don't need to be pretty or expensive, they can be rough and ugly but needs to clearly show that your idea works in the real world and not just on paper. If you're not able build a full prototype, try separating your idea into a few simple 'parts' and build one of those to prove that individual part of your idea works. If you can't even prove that part of your idea works, maybe you should consider publishing your idea with as much detail as you can and then hope to get credit if someone else can build it and prove it works.

Good luck, I think rotary engines are fun and I hope you believe in your idea enough to put some serious effort into it.

gmonsen

Bit of a non-sequitur, but in about 1962 or 63 my Dad took me to visit a guy who was developing a rotary engine. It was very small. Maybe about 6 inches all round. It ran, but I had no idea what it was or why it was different at that time. It smoked a lot, which I thought was bad at the time. Now, I understand why. Dad invested a bit of money, but nothing ever came of it.

TRRAPLN

A non-disclosure form is your first line of protection.
Show the return on investment.
Work the money people after they sign it and show proof of concept model/presentation. Even try Mazda direct. They get many proposals from people just like you all the time.
Here's another Debbie Downer Factoid. All you have to do is get around one of the "Claims" listed at the end of your patent and its a new patent.
I have used Legal Zoom for a patent several years ago. It went smoothly.

slowredrx7

https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-new...ignition-36576

https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/...RVwKP9drWAUdas

Mazda are already on to compression ign for rotary and recently patent new combustion chamber for increased efficiency

t-von

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Do your self a favor and bust *** trying to get a prototype of your idea working. Since 2007, I too have been on an re-imagining of sorts of my own rotary improvement feature. I'm now getting ready to build version 2 which I plan on patenting the design but I want to make sure everything works perfectly 1st and build up the attention across various Youtube channels. That's when investors and such will take you seriously.

j_tso

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Very interesting, like a 12A rotor's leading deep recess taken to the extreme. Yamamoto's old Rotary Engine book showed performance was better with the rotor recessed towards the leading side, but NOx emissions were a lot higher. Perhaps leaning it out with compression ignition helps this?

gmonsen

mr_rxeven... You got a lot of good advice here. Most are saying build a prototype and many comment on you getting NDA's/Non-Circumventions signed. I will note that it is very hard to get the people with money to sign NDA's. Building a prototype and having it tested by an independent testing organization like maybe getting it tested at a regular emissions station and having it run on a good engine dyno and having all that data would help and you would be able to raise money online.

HiWire

Wait... how much formal research has been done to ensure this doesn't infringe on existing patented work?

quichedem

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Unless you can overcome the fundamental (and all-important) emissions shortcomings of the rotary design, you'll only be a novelty. These guys developed their design quite a few years ago, but I've yet to actually see it anywhere: https://liquidpiston.com/ No word on how emissions are on their website, as far as I saw.

arghx

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I do engine development for a living. You need really, really deep pockets, the pockets that only big companies have. Like more than your house costs for a small R&D project that is not directly bound for production. Any lab won't talk to you unless you have a couple hundred grand. You're not designing a new Swiffer here. Paying for prototype tooling, expensive labs and expensive R&D manpower are a big hurdle. You can pay a consulting company to do simulation for you if you want to (the software itself costs as much as your house, better to pay for the work by the hour).

You're talking about a new rotary but you have to understand that piston engines are not doing well right now.

Remember, Mazda can barely afford to put a new rotary into what will most likely be FD-like low volume production. There is very little money going into internal combustion engines right now. R&D is being cut left and right, companies are being bought up, people are getting laid off (I knew several whose job was directly affected or whose company took the axe to a lot of staff).

If you have an idea for a new battery or a more efficient permanent magnet AC motor then you could potentially get some money. From a cold business perspective, patenting a new rotary idea is an utter waste of money and time. You're spending money to patent something that people wouldn't put into production even if the intellectual property to do so were free.

mr rxeven

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Thanks fendamonky for the question, yes i do need money but i asked what is the best way to raise money. What i really need is used parts and if people are willing to donate or sell engine parts that are of no value that you would not use to build a good engine and rather then scrap them i could use as a proof of concept to show theoretically how the engine works.

$lacker

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Make sure you apply for your patent(s) within 1 year of making the ideas known publicly, or you may shoot yourself in the foot and never be able to patent

mr rxeven

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Thanks gmonsen, I might have to try the gofundme idea, i don't have a spare $300.000, that is a good idea about a non-disclosure non-circumvention agreement i will keep that in mind.
And to have a well known rotary guru on board that's willing help i can only hope. i might just have to build it first and show photo's of the outside to spark more interest.
Thanks Ian.

mr rxeven

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Thanks TRRAPLN too true the one with the deepest pockets wins.
Thanks Ian.

mr rxeven

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Thanks arghx, The only way we as human beings are going to survive man made global warming is to go all electric everything.
We have to stop using Fossil fuels, but that's no going to happen overnight. so we have to have more efficient engines in the meantime not only as range extender for electric cars, but also for diesel trucks, diesel electric trains, diesel cruise ships, diesel cargo ships and so on. and if you can design a new type of engine to get more work out of the same amount of fuel compared to other types of engines it just might help in the meantime with fuel efficiency, fuel costs, exhaust emissions, until we find new ways to transition every mode of transport to electric motors.
Thanks Ian.