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RCCAZ 1 05-22-13 11:15 AM

^^^OK David... how rude! Introductions please? Maybe "Pictured L to R"? I know Trey. I take it that Fritz is the guy at the whiteboard explaining the track, and the only female in the photos must be his wife, correct?

I swear, one of my biggest pet peeves when I go to rotary events is that no one knows who is who. If they made nametags mandatory you wouldn't come away from events going "What? Who was there?" "Daum, wish I had known. I really wanted to meet them."

David Hayes 05-22-13 11:18 AM

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Fritz Flynn 05-22-13 12:18 PM


Originally Posted by ZDan (Post 11474652)
Dan with the white LS2 FD here.

Great day at the track fo sho! Actually, this is the first time I've been able to truly DRIVE the FD, as I had power steering issues at previous events (first with MR2 electric pump setup, then a collapsed feed hose with GXP GT pump).

Street tires => a lot of unintentional and semi-intentional dorifto action. Passengers were adequately entertained, I hope :)

I was worried about pads, running StopTech streets up front, parts store Duralast Gold (!) in back (my CarboTech XP10s were 650 miles away!), but taking it easy in the braking zones and lifting/coasting for the last ~1/4 of the straight (still hit 140mph!) worked great, no brake issues all day :)

Hi Dan,
Glad you had fun and sorry I wasn't able to get to know you better hopefully next time we can hang out some :icon_tup:


Originally Posted by ptrhahn (Post 11474673)
Dude, I have more respect for the 2:10's you ran in that GT3 than the 2:03 in the RX7. What a handful that thing is, it scared me!

That car was a trip for sure but as mentioned the sound and brakes are SWEET!!!!


Originally Posted by Rxmfn7 (Post 11474677)
I feel like Fritz's reviews have ruined the GT3 for me. Ive never personally had the opportunity to drive one, but it always seemed like the perfect car. Buy it right from the showroom, and go have a lethal track weapon that is all setup and perfectly controllable, yet still retains some civility for street duty. Then Fritz points out he'd like it to have have like 10k with of upgrades to compete with tired old FDs and its sketchy at the limit.. I guess it saved me some money in the future anyway.

Don't let my opinion of this particular car sway you there's a huge coolness factor in how it feels when it's setup. This one just wanted to oversteer like crazy and I was running on street tires and tend to over drive etc... so basically I was driving tail out too much heating up the rear tires and just adding to the problem.

As Pete mentioned you could literally beat it to death with the AC on (I also ran an entire session with the AC on) in hot weather and have no issues. We almost ran out of gas on track because I was so lax I wasn't worried or even thinking about anything mechanical just hopping in turning the key and ripping.

However with all that said the FD is more fun to drive than any car I've ever driven so it's unbeatable IMO BUT as we all know it's a maint and reliability night mare JUST LIKE ANY OTHER TURBO CAR (especially if you want big power) I had to add that :)




Originally Posted by ptrhahn (Post 11474697)
^^^

I gather the 997 he had was better. This 996 was just a set up disaster.

However, with the little skinny front tires, boosty power steering, and light front end, I'm not sure it'll ever feel like an FD. The brakes @#$%ing ROCKED, as did the throttle response and exhaust sound. And the fact that I looked down and realized I was driving with the A/C on.

Yep the 997 is supposed to be a little easier to drive but again I think this car is having setup issues and if not it's still fun enough if I just calm down and go slower.


Originally Posted by gmonsen (Post 11474734)
Rxmfn7... I've owned 4 Porsches and unless you have spent time in them you can't understand the weird cornering behavior that 911's have. Everyone's read about snap oversteer and that Porsche finally licked the problem some time ago. Nope. When pushed, the physics of having the engine weight behind the rear axle cannot be denied. You can mitigate the problem to where its effects are pushed way out there, but when you push the car that far, its there.

G

:nod:

But also it's no problem at all to drive tail out the entire time if you're used to the balance.

David Hayes 05-22-13 12:24 PM


Originally Posted by RCCAZ 1 (Post 11474762)
^^^OK David... how rude! Introductions please? Maybe "Pictured L to R"? I know Trey. I take it that Fritz is the guy at the whiteboard explaining the track, and the only female in the photos must be his wife, correct?

I swear, one of my biggest pet peeves when I go to rotary events is that no one knows who is who. If they made nametags mandatory you wouldn't come away from events going "What? Who was there?" "Daum, wish I had known. I really wanted to meet them."

Oops, wanted to get the pics up in my spare time and now it's too late to go back and edit. Yes, Fritz is the guy at the whiteboard but the female is not Morgan his wife, but Mitsuninja's wife.

Maybe each person in the pics and quote the pic and identify themselves? Gotta please you Tim or whatever your name is :)

ptrhahn 05-22-13 12:32 PM

Mine is the silver car with the black wheels... I'm only visible faintly as the driver in flat back helmet.

wrankin 05-22-13 12:57 PM

I'm the guy in the tan T-shirt and blue VIR cap in the classroom pic. That's also me (now in dark blue long sleeves) belting into the FC about two pics later.

Great pics, David!

GoRacer 05-22-13 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by gmonsen (Post 11474734)
Rxmfn7... I've owned 4 Porsches and unless you have spent time in them you can't understand the weird cornering behavior that 911's have. Everyone's read about snap oversteer and that Porsche finally licked the problem some time ago. Nope. When pushed, the physics of having the engine weight behind the rear axle cannot be denied. You can mitigate the problem to where its effects are pushed way out there, but when you push the car that far, its there.

G

I thought the FD had a loose rear end on the track also but it's easily counter steered (with one finger). I haven't driven the 911 only the Boxster S which is not the same as a turbo AWD dream machine.

GoRacer 05-22-13 01:01 PM

[QUOTE=David Hayes;11474732]
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Suhweeeet! :ylsuper: That would be like a high speed gokart. Did you get to drive it?

RE-Amemiya 05-22-13 01:10 PM

Some of my pics;
 
I wish my pictures had turned out better; and i had a telephoto lens with me but it wouldn't seem to work. Not a bad thing, but i spent too much time hanging out and didn't get pictures of everybody's car as intended, so i apologize for that as well. Enough talking though......

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mwinchell60/8769347492/http://www.flickr.com/photos/mwinchell60/8769347492/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/mwinchell60/, on Flickr

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RE-Amemiya 05-22-13 01:11 PM

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RE-Amemiya 05-22-13 01:12 PM

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GoRacer 05-22-13 01:23 PM

[QUOTE=GoRacer;11474914]

Originally Posted by David Hayes (Post 11474732)
[img]https://www.rx7club.com/attachments/3rd-generation-specific-1993-2002-16/499181d1369234338t-
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Suhweeeet! :ylsuper: That would be like a high speed gokart. Did you get to drive it?

Wait, what's it like to drive a FD, I can't remember? :(

David Hayes 05-22-13 01:24 PM


Originally Posted by GoRacer (Post 11474914)
Suhweeeet! :ylsuper: That would be like a high speed gokart. Did you get to drive it?

I wish. That is a racecar that competes so no, we didn't get to drive it. Victor was kind enough to bring it out and drive it on track so we could see it in action. Awesome go kart car.

t-von 05-22-13 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by Project88Turbo (Post 11474353)

I have only one suggestion for the next time: Name tags with actual and Forum names.

Vince


I feel you on that! During Sunday nights dinner, I made a suggestion to David about everyone having a T-shirt made with their avatar and forum name on it.



By the way I'm the black guy wearing the Chive shirt.

Lol David, my parents didn't raise no vegitarian. :)

patfat 05-22-13 02:00 PM


Originally Posted by Rxmfn7 (Post 11474677)
I feel like Fritz's reviews have ruined the GT3 for me. Ive never personally had the opportunity to drive one, but it always seemed like the perfect car. Buy it right from the showroom, and go have a lethal track weapon that is all setup and perfectly controllable, yet still retains some civility for street duty. Then Fritz points out he'd like it to have have like 10k with of upgrades to compete with tired old FDs and its sketchy at the limit.. I guess it saved me some money in the future anyway.

I'm pissed I missed this event and the 3-day PCA event. My car is back in the shop due to complications from the accident. I hope to have it all sorted out next month.

The GT3 is an amazing machine, but it can't be driven at the track w/ a Fritz Flynn string alignment done a couple min before he packs up the trailer. Also, they need fresh tires or they are a handful. This is true for any 911.

Also, Fritz's GT3 has fancy suspension on it and I'm sure it's not dialed in correctly for his style of driving. I'd be willing to bet the rake on the car is messed up or it's setup for slicks and he's out on O L D ass tires stamped from 2007 :)


Fritz, here's what I run at VIR and find it works best with my Moton setup. In July I bump down the low speed to 1 once the track gets all greasy and this seems to help with understeer.

700lbs in front with a 225 tender.
Front canister set at 150psi (measured in the air)
low speed compression 3 from zero
high speed compression 5 from zero
Rebound 6 from zero

Rear:
900lbs main
250lbs tender
Canister pressure 175psi ( measured in the air)
low speed compression 4
high speed compression 6
Rebound 8

Front alignment specs:
-2.8
1/32 of toe in
stock caster

Rear
-3.0
stock kinematic
1/16 of rear toe-in

Rear wing angle set at 6 degrees.


Happy to hear all the newbies enjoyed the track and hopefully we'll see you all trackside more often! Peter, the Techno's look great.

rgordon1979 05-22-13 02:08 PM

As others have said, I intended on getting much more video/photos over the course of the day; however, being slightly distracted, it didn't work out that way, unfortunately. I have pieced together everything I did get that was worthwhile though.




I wanted to overlay the dyno results for each run, but only had my numbers.


I am the silver '94 LS2 with RPF1s, by the way.

Copeland 05-22-13 03:02 PM


Originally Posted by rgordon1979 (Post 11474975)
As others have said, I intended on getting much more video/photos over the course of the day; however, being slightly distracted, it didn't work out that way, unfortunately. I have pieced together everything I did get that was worthwhile though.



I wanted to overlay the dyno results for each run, but only had my numbers.


I am the silver '94 LS2 with RPF1s, by the way.

Wow nice job on the video, really sums it up nicely. I wish someone could have got Hoi's T10 dance on video! :lol:

afgmoto1978 05-22-13 03:14 PM

Damn, sucks I missed this. Oh well, glad everyone had a blast.

NCRX791 05-22-13 04:17 PM


Originally Posted by David Hayes (Post 11474742)
Please post up pics you took. Here are mine. I spent most of the time scrambling around so I think you will have better ones than me at the track:

At the Dyno
https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...1&d=1369238464

Thats me in the red awesome shirt!
-Andrew

wrankin 05-22-13 04:18 PM

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I put some pics up on Dropbox :

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/penv4vql2wp6dep/wMHYhgi9T7

I have a few more parking lot shots which I'll probably add later. If anyone wants the full-sized copies, PM me.

-bill

Fritz Flynn 05-22-13 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by patfat (Post 11474965)
I'm pissed I missed this event and the 3-day PCA event. My car is back in the shop due to complications from the accident. I hope to have it all sorted out next month.

The GT3 is an amazing machine, but it can't be driven at the track w/ a Fritz Flynn string alignment done a couple min before he packs up the trailer. Also, they need fresh tires or they are a handful. This is true for any 911.

Also, Fritz's GT3 has fancy suspension on it and I'm sure it's not dialed in correctly for his style of driving. I'd be willing to bet the rake on the car is messed up or it's setup for slicks and he's out on O L D ass tires stamped from 2007 :)


Fritz, here's what I run at VIR and find it works best with my Moton setup. In July I bump down the low speed to 1 once the track gets all greasy and this seems to help with understeer.

700lbs in front with a 225 tender.
Front canister set at 150psi (measured in the air)
low speed compression 3 from zero
high speed compression 5 from zero
Rebound 6 from zero

Rear:
900lbs main
250lbs tender
Canister pressure 175psi ( measured in the air)
low speed compression 4
high speed compression 6
Rebound 8

Front alignment specs:
-2.8
1/32 of toe in
stock caster

Rear
-3.0
stock kinematic
1/16 of rear toe-in

Rear wing angle set at 6 degrees.


Happy to hear all the newbies enjoyed the track and hopefully we'll see you all trackside more often! Peter, the Techno's look great.

LOL you know me too well :)

It was setup for slicks with a really big radius out back so now the rake is jacked up for sure. But it's low in the back which should make it push.

Tires were cheap NT01s. Don't forgot I once had a GT3 and YES they need rubber but you know I'm a cheap ass bastard :D

The original shock setting were very close to what you have there.

I took out a lot of rebound from the back its now:
C2
R5

Front:
C10
R8

F bar is 1 off stiff
R bar is 1 off soft

Ramon says stiffer springs and fatter bars are must for even hoos?

The above changes helped a lot but it's still a handful.

Is the 16th toe out back total or each side?

I'll go zero toe up front

rgordon1979 05-22-13 09:23 PM


Originally Posted by NCRX791 (Post 11475083)
Thats me in the red awesome shirt!
-Andrew

Andrew,
Your bracket is upside down. :D

-Robin

GoRacer 05-22-13 10:38 PM

Dang, that 3-rotor turbo is SuWheeeeeTuh! I wish I had a turbo.

NCRX791 05-23-13 12:16 PM


Originally Posted by rgordon1979 (Post 11475367)
Andrew,
Your bracket is upside down. :D

-Robin


Haha... If I won the Jack Pot...I would have an FD with a V8 alongside my Rotary. Your car was a blast to ride around in. I appreciate the ride!


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