i have them hooked up so that when i turn on the car the fans turned on. totally skipping the relays

 

If your relays are still powered (even if they are not connected to the fans), that may be the circuit where the short exists.

 

so if i disconnect the relays, it should stop the short in that circuit (if there is one)?

 

Possibly, but even if it doesn't, that's no guarantee it's not the culprit. You need a multimeter to determine exactly where the ground fault is.

 

trying to still figure out my electrical issue. and after many of fuse blowing's im noticing a pattern. it does not blow untill 183*-185*F

so my question is, what is going on in the car around those temps. what is turning on, being activated, ect. because whatever is sending an electrial signal at that temp, i believe is shorting out.

thanks in advanced!

 

Instead of creating yet another thread on the same problem, you could just bump your previous one on the same subject...

The stock thermostat opens at 180 deg. F.

 

double throttle solenoid turns off at 176F

 

When do the fans come online?

 

Your fans are probably coming on and blowing your fuse. Check the state of the wires going to the fans. happened to me once.

And for god's sake, stop constantly starting new threads for the same ****.

 

Fans don't come on until the engine is 220, unless they have been modified to come on earlier, or AC/lights are on.

Yep!!! At some point, the mods will ban you!!!

 

i have my fans wired so they come on when the car is on. not hooked up to the fan relays. but something is activating or sending a signal when the temps get up to around 183-185*. just tring to figure ou what it is so i can disconnect it. because whatever it is, its shorting out.

 

Why don't you try disconnecting your "fan mod", to see it that is the problem?

 

because, i had to rig them because I was having a problem. first my fan fuse started blowing, so i rigged the fans. shortly after that my meter fuse started to blow.

 

Simply "disconnecting" an electrical problem will have you running circles sooner or later, and that's just what's happening now...only you're trying to lead everyone else along with you with these continuous threads on the same problem.

We can't help you if you're not willing to take some initiative and learn about working on the electrical system yourself.

 

Disconnect your air pump wiring harness, replace 15A fuse, test drive.

 

i dont have an airpump in my car

 

Don't know if this will help, since it's for a '94 FD, but maybe... as you can see there is the possibility of some interaction between the 15 amp meter fuse and the 60 amp fan circuits, but only if there is a wire-to-wire short somewhere. Can you describe exactly what you did, in terms of this diagram, to bypass the cooling fan relays?

 

there are 2 harness/clips coming from the fan motors. i disconnected the harness and ran them to a ground and to a powersource that turns on the fans when the ignition is turned on. so in essence, they are not connected to the system at all.

also in that diagram, there is a connection in the system that runs up by the ignition switch. i noticed some "smoke" coming from under the steering wheel cover. i have not taken it all apart yet, but i would imagin when i do take it apat i will find some melted wires. would the short be close to where the wires were "smoking/melting"?

 

LOL... You can't run the fans without a high amp relay. The fans draw 20 amps or so. You need to tow the car to an auto electric shop, tell them what you did before you cause more damage.

Paul

 

Agreed 100%. It sounds like you've caused some major problems that will take a lot of time to fix. Disregard what I said in a previous post about learning about your car's electrical system; at this point, you'd best leave it to someone who knows what they're doing before you mess up the works even more.

A perfect example of why you shouldn't attempt to just "disconnect" or bypass an electrical problem as a method of solving it...

 

sorry, i did not know you needed that. the shop that re-wired the fans did run it through a relay.

although the did tell me that they could not figure out the cause for the short in the car

 

Can you post some photos of your fan wiring? That might help...

If you really want to learn this, it might be possible to guide you through the troubleshooting process. You'll need to start by purchasing a cheapo multimeter from Radio Shack or Sears. It helps if you buy one that will "beep" when it checks continuity.
Craftsman Multimeter
I used to own one of these: it's nice and small but will break easily if abused / dropped / stepped on.


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