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Old 04-17-03, 12:11 PM
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Hey Art Guy, 58degrees and very sunny here in nor Calif...Carter
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How is it possible to yield more power from Non-Sequential setup than a Sequential setup can from the exact same turbos?
You eliminate 2 fairly large restrictions. One in the exhaust manifold (flapper door) and one in the turbo housing (precontrol).
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Seems that if you want more power then it's best to go non-seq (full) I was full non-seq before and there is a difference in flow with removing the flapper door and precontrol. If I were doing constant 1/4 mile runs or even runs on the highway I would definitely choose non-seq for a better midrange power.

I am like artguy and do not like non-seq as it is basically meant for racing so I switched back to seq. It is much more fun to drive around in town and carving up mountain roads. And it still gives me enough power in the mid-high range to pull on high-hp V8s. I think full non-seq might yield some more power up, but only 10 hp at the most and there really isn't much proof to prove that.
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Originally posted by kwikrx7
Seems that if you want more power then it's best to go non-seq (full) I was full non-seq before and there is a difference in flow with removing the flapper door and precontrol. If I were doing constant 1/4 mile runs or even runs on the highway I would definitely choose non-seq for a better midrange power.

I am like artguy and do not like non-seq as it is basically meant for racing so I switched back to seq. It is much more fun to drive around in town and carving up mountain roads. And it still gives me enough power in the mid-high range to pull on high-hp V8s. I think full non-seq might yield some more power up, but only 10 hp at the most and there really isn't much proof to prove that.
thanks for clearning that up...(finally somebody helped a brotha out) Seeing that there isn't that much gain compared to seq i think I will stay with seq...I really like feeling the 2nd turbo hit.
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333rwhp 13psi unported wastegate.. non ported motor.. 99 specs
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Qball, that's the most I've ever heard. Not that I don't believe you, but do you have a dyno to back that up? It seems you're able to get more power than anyone else. 13 psi is very conservative. What have you done to that monster???
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Homie, those numbers look pretty normal to me. With all bolt ons and 13 psi, you can expect 330-340 on a good running car.
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Oh, that's with upgraded turbos right?
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Nope, stockers will do it.
Old 04-17-03, 05:58 PM
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Yea, that 333@13psi is pretty normal numbers for stock turbos/stock porting with good engine and turbos
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I planned on running the stock turbos rebuilt with a rebuilt motor 2 peice 2mm seals and a street port with a intake and a three inch downpipe of some make. does anyone have a sugestion for this settup? I am also planning to run 15 to 17 psi after intake and piggy-back savc-r is tuned! does anyone have a prediction on rwhp?

thanks joe,
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Rebuilt stock turbos will melt at 15-17 psi. Ask Artguy.

BTW, you can't use an S-AFC to run higher boost. The stock ecu shuts things down after 10.7 psi (in the upper rpm range). Also, the S-AFC is much too crude to safely tune a car, especially when you are boosting that high. You will need a stand-alone ecu, since you will also need larger injectors to run that much boost.
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Originally posted by boost-in-rx7s93
I planned on running the stock turbos rebuilt with a rebuilt motor 2 peice 2mm seals and a street port with a intake and a three inch downpipe of some make. does anyone have a sugestion for this settup? I am also planning to run 15 to 17 psi after intake and piggy-back savc-r is tuned! does anyone have a prediction on rwhp?

thanks joe,

My prediction is 150rwhp cause its gonna be blown up with a piggy back. How about instead of cutting up your wire harness to splice in a piggy just get a Power FC. You and your engine will be MUCH MUCH happier with that.

Also, what all mods do you have, your going to need a lot of supporting mods to run 15-17 like fuel injectors, fuel pump, intercooler, full exhaust, computer, clutch, ect, ect. Your not going to be able to safely run more than 13 iwth just a intake and downpipe even with the computer, especially in the summer, cuase the stock IC just wont cool worth a damn.

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yes yes

the stock ic is a piece of ****...its choking your entire system and two full lbs of pressure drop is unacceptable.

listen to spo and rynberg and the others.

dont waste your money on a piggy back junkpile....get the pfc.

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carter...thanks...i appreciate your springtime barb...it was actually 80 two days agon...but thirty again yesterday.

it should be perfect by the time i pick my car up. mmm
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Artguy - nice set up !!!! Good power too! I have 336 whp with similar but stock motor and turbo's. I'm trying to attain 450whp with a twin set up. I started this thread and the search continues....

Just wanted to give you some props!
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MY seven will be broken in for teh first 1500 miles (proberly) so I will be running stock uther than a full exhaust 3inch downpiep three inch pipe running to a nurspec exhaust. I do want to use the twins for now even if I can only run 15 psi. I would plan on getting a fuel pump, larger injecters ( all four????), have a duel friction center force clucth with about 1000 miles of casual driving. ( no racing) I would also get the larger intercooler this summer when I would up the boost! I have heard by more than one sole that piggy abcks will work fine for less than 17. roy jonhson ran his with a t-78 at 17 psi I beleive! ( eh has blown up a few sometime along the way however) In other words I would run the car slowly (breakin) till this summer with no mods other than street port and full exhasut (clucth) I know I would have to watch teh boost guage to make sure that I am not running over 10.7 psi fopr the car would boost higher due to dp and street port! THen come summer I would do a intake front mount efficient to 17 psi and a avc-r i beleive modified bosot controller has a programmable fuel curve. Go to www.apexi.com
, or www.rx7.com (catalog)! I will do more resurch with the information yall have provided! this is why I am posting with the big guys.

My original plans were to go single but the 17 year old budget could only ddo it in peices 6 months rather than montha dn a half so I decided to do it right witht the twins! more torque and still has good times.


thanks guys, joe
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Anyone have any used or disconts I could hook up with tthant I would bebefit from with teh mods I would liek to make?

had to ask, joe
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boost-in-rx7s93,

I may want to sell my Apex front mount intercooler. I started this thread with the intent on getting 450rwhp and I may need to go with a larger intercooler. This one is in almost new condition and has polished end tanks. I can take photos for you. Could you drop me an email at goblue993@yahoo.com and let me know what you might want to pay. Thanks.
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I think Roy has a standalone (PFC)
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