suprfast

no, this is not a front mount vs stock mount debate, so lets try not to turn it into this. what i want to know is, can the M2 medium keep up with cooling vs. the rx7 fashion front mount. i know that the big thing people hate about the front mount from rx7 fashion is the endtanks. how bad is is really. will it cost performance a lot, at all?
rx7 fashion FMIC
http://autoparts.zoovy.com/product/1002
M2 medium
http://www.m2performance.com/images/IC_MED1.jpg
i guess if you have time tell me the pro's and con's of each without turning it into the old FMIC vs. SMIC debate. i know that the fmic blocks the radiator, blah, blah. i do know that this is also the only FMIC that keeps the radiator in the stock location. sounds like a plus
kris

suprfast

i just noticed in this picture that the endtanks look to have been fixed. they are not 90 degree angles like they had been. i know this would be a plus because this is what i recall people talking about in the past
http://static.zoovy.com/img/autopart...pex_ic_outside
kris

rotorbrain

i have the same core and had some ideas for a mo-betta mount. if you cut the bumper in a fashion to make the intercooler tilt forward a tad bit, you can make endtanks come off the top. look at the frame rails now. . . theres an area that you can cut and run the pipes straight through. its not structural. . . already checked into that. if you do it like this, you can have one kick *** intercooler setup!!!

id do it, but im ******* broke.

paul

FormerPorscheGuy

Not turning this into a FMIC vs. SMIC debate, but choosing an intercooler set up really depends on what you want in your car. Everyone wants different things when modding.

As for your question, the M2 will not cool as effectively as the rx-7 fashion FMIC.

suprfast

cooling is honestly what im looking for without having to do all the relocations for the greddy. i know the fashion intercooler is bolted to the front where the m2 just sits there. kinda worries me.
nice idea on the pipes coming from the top. if i just bought a spearco core, id probably be down to do that.
does anyone know how much space there would be behind the fashion intercooler. id like to put two fans behind it to pull air through. im sure some custom ducting(since the radiator is still in the factory location) can be made to get air to flow to the radiator. time to pull out some sheet metal and cardboard.
kris

FormerPorscheGuy

If cooling is number one then go with a SMIC. You will get more performance over stock and you will be able to sleep better at night about your cooling.

suprfast

im sorry, i thought by cooling i was talking about air charge. i now know what i said could have been misconstrued. i do like the SMIC because the coolant temps should(ive never personally witnessed this) stay lower. i know for some time my car was running hot as ****. i replaced the fan motor that died and tu-du, instant cooling. my temps rarely see above 95C on the PFC and the defi will rarely read above 215ish. i have a stock intercooler for now. i just hate this crumby piece of shyt. i know i could just go to a smic and have a custom water injection built. damn decisions. can we post pics of single turbos with the M2 medium/large. i dont want to have a crammed engine bay.
kris

Jason

iTrader: (5)

Save yourself $1000 and get the Greddy 2 row. If you are looking for something larger get the 3 row which is still $500 cheaper and my opinion kicks the sh*t out of the rx7fashion.

suprfast

jason, i havent seen you in awhile. congrats on the car. its making me want a t78 really bad. i actually get great prices on the greddy products through my business so its always a thought. just that propping the AC and everything up seems like a pain. eh, nothing i have never done before. do you run AC jason, also what radiator are you running? im curious to see if cooling is an issue(which can easily be fixed with custom ducting, cant win every battle at first).
kris

yy4u

Had the rx7 fashion and had no cooling problems whatsoever with A/C off. WIth A/C on temps got around 95-105 C depending on outside temps. I consider anything over about 210 F (99C) to not be good, so i tried to use A/C as little as possible. Definitely cooled the intake charge well, but did suffer a good bit of pressure drop as compared to waht i assume it would be for an SMIC.

-Rob

Jason

iTrader: (5)

I just took my A/C out, but never had problems with heating issues. I use a PWR radiator. If the rx7fashion was cheaper I would say go for it, but its just so overpriced.

Jason

the_glass_man

iTrader: (2)

Buy my large ASP IC and don't worry about engine or ic cooling.

Kevin T. Wyum

"As for your question, the M2..."(err ASP)"... will not cool as effectively as the rx-7 fashion FMIC."

Can you back that statement up at all? Of course I have a bias but I don't seem to recall ever seeing tests that support the FMIC vs. SMIC debate other than people owning FMIC's thinking it must be better because they own one : ). I won't get into pro's and con's in this thread since I'm guessing it's actually just someone trolling. : ).